State rests rebuttal case- thread #165

[Hopeful One]

Roflmao!

I thought it was Cheerios!


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I started to wonder after the box and milk comments. :floorlaugh:

 

[Zuri]

still doesnt cut it for me.

they want a do over and should not get one,they had plenty of time to get their own ME,clearly they couldn't get one to testify to what they wanted and as far as im aware Dr horn said nothing new on rebuttal

I agree. It just screams desperation to me. They got nothin. (colloq). They had an opportunity to call specialists in their CIC. Obviously, they are trying to do damage control and save JA from certain DP. JMV

 

[Hopeful One]

Daniel Freeman speaks out. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...eman-friend-of-arias-and-alexander-speaks-out

How on earth can you not follow the murder trial of a good friend, a trial you testified in?? Bizarre.

 

[Zuri]

Frontal lobe.

The way I understand it ... It's not the damage from the path as much as the explosion going off inside the skull...IMO it's like an m80 in a mailbox.


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ITA. It is the tumbling action of the bullet once it enters the brain that does the most damage. It ricochets depending on type of bullet, velocity, weapon etc. so very sad.

 

[GoAskAllie]

Daniel Freeman speaks out. http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...eman-friend-of-arias-and-alexander-speaks-out

I didn't find Dan Freeman creepy, though I didn't care for his sister's demeanor on the stand. Then again, they were called by Jodi's defense team, which couldn't have been easy. Moreover, Dan said that once he knew that he would be a witness, he avoided all coverage about the trial. Said he had no idea until he was on the stand that Jodi was claiming self-defense and that Travis had abused her. In any case, I thought Juan did a great job crossing Dan and "rehabbing" his testimony to show that the disagreements between Travis and Jodi weren't unusual, different or abusive. Moreover, Dan said that it was he (and not Travis) who removed the 20 pounds of cosmetics from Jodi's backpack before the hike that set her off in a snit. The sister couldn't remember what exactly Travis had said or done that caused her to say (in earlier interviews/depositions) that he had been offensive. She had zero energy or personality on the stand other than a slight attitude, a memory issue, but at the end of the day, her testimony was a wash IMO.

 

[aa9511]

Is it wrong that I eat them with a toothpick? No orange fingers :skip:

Thank you thank you for giving me the secret to eating Cheetos correctly...I specifically avoid them for their messiness, but I do love them so now I've found the solution!

 

[GoAskAllie]

How on earth can you not follow the murder trial of a good friend, a trial you testified in?? Bizarre.

Back in 2010, Dan said he was told that he could be called as a witness by either the State or the defense and instructed not to follow the trial. He probably doesn't remove tags from pillows or the underside of sofa cushions either.

 

[Linda7NJ]

How on earth can you not follow the murder trial of a good friend, a trial you testified in?? Bizarre.

My husband is that type of person. He knows Jodi committed premeditated murder and she deserves the death penalty. That's all he wants or needs to know. He would be the same way if Travis were his best friend. He doesn't want to know anything more until verdict reading.


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[Hopeful One]

He didn't follow the trial BEFORE his testimony.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm brain dead.

 

[scmom]

P.S. I'm supposed to be working. I have a lot to do. The threads are slow without trial and still here I sit. Eating Cheetos. Not good.

Crunchy or Puffy?

 

[aa9511]

I didn't find Dan Freeman creepy, though I didn't care for his sister's demeanor on the stand. Then again, they were called by Jodi's defense team, which couldn't have been easy. Moreover, Dan said that once he knew that he would be a witness, he avoided all coverage about the trial. Said he had no idea until he was on the stand that Jodi was claiming self-defense and that Travis had abused her. In any case, I thought Juan did a great job crossing Dan and "rehabbing" his testimony to show that the disagreements between Travis and Jodi weren't unusual, different or abusive. Moreover, Dan said that it was he (and not Travis) who removed the 20 pounds of cosmetics from Jodi's backpack before the hike that set her off in a snit. The sister couldn't remember what exactly Travis had said or done that caused her to say (in earlier interviews/depositions) that he had been offensive. She had zero energy or personality on the stand other than a slight attitude, a memory issue, but at the end of the day, her testimony was a wash IMO.

Only thing with Dan Freeman that struck me as really odd is if I remember correctly, when he was on one of the HLN shows he said one year on a whim he went to visit Jodi in jail on Christmas Eve. I'm not sure but I think it was him. I thought that was really weird, that why would he even go visit her? I know he used to be friends with her, but after knowing what she did, why would he even think about going to visit her?

 

[TXProfessional]

I don't believe these are rumors, as I understand it, they come from a defense motion to expand the scope of Geffner's testimony. They want him to refute Dr. Horn's testimony about the incapacitation that would result from a shot to the right temple which lodged in the lower cheekbone. Geffner is not an MD, certainly not a forensic pathologist, and any such testimony by him should NOT be allowed. Dr. Horn said it is simple geometry , and I totally agree with him about that. Obviously, the Defense could not find a ME to contradict Dr. Horn, so they are trying to sneak in an unqualified person's testimony in instead. This would be a huge mistake on the part of Judge Stephens. But I have no confidence in predicting her rulings, because she's made a lot of evidentiary rulings that are plain wrong.

Geffner has been criticized by a number of appellate courts for testifying to BS. It also appears that he no longer sees patients, so he makes his money by concluding that every murderer suffers from PTSD and battered woman's syndrome. Juan's cross will be most interesting.

Outofstate, I am without question uneducated on law and court procedures and rules. However, I am very knowledgeable about the discipline of Psychology and I am appalled at the prospect of allowing my field to even begin to dabble in the other disciplines in such a way as to offer expert testimony regarding the medical examiner's field of expertise. If the judge allows him to do so it would set a precedent (correct?) that would muddy the waters of empiricism. I for one understand that my discipline is a less than empirical science in many ways, and believe that it would create chaos in the court system to open this door. IMO so many judges are focused on the notoriety of a case and the appeal process that they allow things that are making rulings that defy logic. With that said I'm wondering if you believe she will really allow the neuropsych to rebut the ME's testimony. TIA

 

[Hopeful One]

My husband is that type of person. He knows Jodi committed premeditated murder and she deserves the death penalty. That's all he wants or needs to know. He would be the same way if Travis were his best friend. He doesn't want to know anything more until verdict reading.


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Good point. I think it's different for all of us as we aren't personally connected to the case. No clue how I'd react if I was a close friend or family member.

When my sister was in the worst part of her drug addiction and we were filming Intervention, I had ZERO desire whatsoever to watch it when it aired. It was all too close and personal and brought up horribly painful wounds. So maybe it's similar.

 

[rose222]

My list of snacks for closing (though I'm not sure if I'll have an appetite)

A couple of barrels of Cheetos/Planters/Utz

Funyuns Onion Rings

Cape Cod potato chips..all varieties!

Kettle chips (Cheddar and red onion flavour)

Coke (made with real sugar) in small glass bottles

 

[SassyMom]

I'm re-watching Juan crossing Laviolette, and I gotta say, she really looks bad. She looks really evasive and obviously parses every word, just like the defendant. Juan shows visible frustration that I'm sure had to resonate with the jurors at the time. He did such a great job, he got her to admit a LOT of damaging stuff about the defendant.

Really looking forward to his cross of the next witness. I envision a public eviseration combined with a painful disembowelment.

 

[Kentucky Gal]

I agree. It just screams desperation to me. They got nothin. (colloq). They had an opportunity to call specialists in their CIC. Obviously, they are trying to do damage control and save JA from certain DP. JMV

Hey Nurmi and Willmott bought a psychotic pig in a poke. Now they have buyers remorse. They need to grow up and face the music, they have lost and there is nothing that can be done for Jodi. You gambled and you lost.

 

[SunnyinMO]

A neuropsychologist usually examines people that are alive to assess cognitive functioning after brain trauma I.e. stoke, head trauma, illness. They also provide testing to get a better picture of that persons brain function.

An ME, a pathologist examines deceased people to determine cause of death. They have a large fund of knowledge about mechanisms of injury causing death.

The neurobiologist did not examine TA obviously, but may have a working knowledge of head trauma similar to that which TA indured. It will be speculation at most. IMO

One of the biggest problems I have with this neuropsychologist, beside he is a friend of ALV, and it has been proved he is less than stellar ......is...I hate to even think this much less type it....Travis' brain was mush after 5 days....this guy is used to dealing with live victims...I am so disgusted with this whole trial and the way it has been handled. IMO It's way past time for JSS to take control of the court and stop giving the dt the reins. I watched JP coddle the jury and school the defense in the CA case and we know what happened there.

 

[GoAskAllie]

Thanks for clarifying. I'm brain dead.

I've been there, believe me!

 

[deedee21]

I didn't find Dan Freeman creepy, though I didn't care for his sister's demeanor on the stand. Then again, they were called by Jodi's defense team, which couldn't have been easy. Moreover, Dan said that once he knew that he would be a witness, he avoided all coverage about the trial. Said he had no idea until he was on the stand that Jodi was claiming self-defense and that Travis had abused her. In any case, I thought Juan did a great job crossing Dan and "rehabbing" his testimony to show that the disagreements between Travis and Jodi weren't unusual, different or abusive. Moreover, Dan said that it was he (and not Travis) who removed the 20 pounds of cosmetics from Jodi's backpack before the hike that set her off in a snit. The sister couldn't remember what exactly Travis had said or done that caused her to say (in earlier interviews/depositions) that he had been offensive. She had zero energy or personality on the stand other than a slight attitude, a memory issue, but at the end of the day, her testimony was a wash IMO.

The sister acted like a robot.

 

[Beaglemania]

Does anyone have any idea of who JM added as a witness ?