State rests rebuttal case- thread #166

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Thought I'd post this again for those who may not have read it before. Great explanation.


Example of a Willful, Deliberate, Premeditated Murder

Imagine that Joannie and her husband Tim are in a terrible fight in the kitchen. Tim tells Joannie that he is going to get a divorce and will thereafter seek full custody of their two young children. Joannie states, “Wait here. I need to go to the bathroom. I will be right back.” She walks down the hall, but goes into the bedroom, rather than the bathroom, and removes a handgun from the nightstand drawer. She then walks to the bathroom and flushes the toilet. Hiding the handgun in the pocket of her bathrobe, she walks back into the kitchen, removes it, and shoots Tim four times in the abdomen, killing him.

In this scenario, Joannie probably could be convicted of premeditated murder in most jurisdictions. Joannie shoots and kills Tim in a calm, methodical manner, evidencing deliberation. Her manufactured excuse and flushing of the toilet indicate planning. The act of shooting Tim four times shows that Joannie has a specific intent to kill and a strong and calculated desire to bring about Tim’s death. Note that timing is not an issue here. Even a few minutes are enough to carry out a premeditated murder if the proper facts are present.


Example of a Spontaneous Killing

Compare the previous example with this scenario. Frank, Dillon’s supervisor, calls Dillon into his office and fires him. Enraged, Dillon grabs a heavy brass paperweight from the top of Frank’s desk and strikes him in the forehead, killing him instantly. In this example, Dillon acts in anger, not calm, cool, reflection. The act of grabbing a heavy brass paperweight appears impulsive, not planned. There is no evidence to indicate that Dillon knew he would be fired or knew that there was a brass paperweight on Frank’s desk. In addition, the single blow to the head does not necessarily indicate that Dillon had a strong and calculated desire to kill Frank. Dillon’s conduct may be supported by murder intent (most likely implied malice, knowingly, or recklessly under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to the value of human life), but there is no evidence of specific intent to kill, deliberation, or premeditation. Thus Frank’s killing would probably not be first-degree premeditated murder in most jurisdictions.
 
Oh...he's dreammmmmmy.....​
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wow. im in the minority. lol I find him way too pretty for my taste. I like his personality, but he is just not manly enough for me. lol I bet he spends more time getting ready than I do and im a typical chic. lol

give me a robert downey jr or mike rowe or juan Martinez....:blushing:
 
-Thank you for that! One thing that caught my eye is that the robbery to Grandpa's house occured around 3:30 pm - this is a very odd time for a robbery - well maybe not a "robbery" but a real robbery - who robs someone in the middle of the afternoon usually?
-Also interesting all the calls Jodi was attempting to make to Travis
-Do you know was the time when Enrique stopped by the house, and also the time 3-4pm when Zach stopped home....do you know were these normal times they would come home as part of their normal routines?

While I would have agreed with you last week..... Monday I got an email from the civic assoc here. There have been break-ins in the afternoon while people are at work. They are breaking in thru the back and stealing anything quick and valuable like audio, tv, pc etc.
 
:wave: T minus 1 hour!

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wow. im in the minority. lol I find him way too pretty for my taste. I like his personality, but he is just not manly enough for me. lol I bet he spends more time getting ready than I do and im a typical chic. lol

give me a robert downey jr or mike rowe or juan Martinez....:blushing:

But he has such dreamy eyes! ::swoons::
 
12 noon eastern?

All I know is it's 9am AZ time, so 11 for me.

Omg I just freaked out. Think it's been too many days since court happened. I totes forgot he always says eastern time. :facepalm: let me keep drinking mt coffee I'll be quiet
 
Vinnie just said court resumes at noon. Why was I thinking 9am?

I read 9:00 a.m. In a couple of reports....

and.... Judge said that they would get it done today... Even if it took until 5:00 p.m.....

SOOO... Why would the time be noon now.... Especially since Jodi needs lunch...dontcha know...

JMO
 
It's been said that Travis knew something really bad Jodi had done.
Chris Hues who has read all of Travis' e-mails says if he had not threatned to expose her Travis would still be here.

He threatened to expose her shortly before the gun was stolen. He said if people knew what he knew they would spit in her face. He wouldn't be talking about their sexcapades becuase he was doing it with her. It was something else and it had to have been very bad.

What if Jodi is the one who is a pedophile? She flips everything good onto herself and bad onto others. Note, she has a defense attorney who defends pedophiles who she flipped out about when he wanted to leave her and refused to release him.

She had two siblings in diapers when she was old enough to "kick" a dog who got in the trash. Then DB had a young son... It just hit me yesterday after listening to Chris and then Sky. What if it was Jodi who was a pedophile with a past and she confessed it to Travis in trying to convince him how serious about converting to his religion she was.

If not, what if she has hurt someone else?

Travis was very forgiving, he believed his religion could change people and he was all for forgiveness for some of the most horrendous stuff ever done. He was abused, stalked, embarrassed. He forgave.

I just had to get it out there. There it's out. Chris wishes he knew what it was becuase he feels it played a part in the death. I do too. I feel there is a lot more to Jodi's past then we know. Listen to her parents and how people called them telling them they needed to get Jodi help.

Jodi has done far more then we know but Travis knew. That had to scare Jodi, especially since she knew he was not going to marry her. He was a person out of her control knowing things that could take her down. Her "reputation" meant so darn much to her.

The thought has crossed my mind also, that JA is the one who likes kids sexually. She seems to bring 5 year olds up in particular. She claims the pics that TA allegedly looked at were 5 or 6 year olds. She also claimed TA said something like a 5 year old could hold a camera better than her.
I wish we knew her dirty little secrets. I don't think we ever will and I don't think her DF team knows either.
 
Everyone CHILL!

Court starts at 9 AZ time.

That is Noon Eastern.

It's only 8 am in AZ.

Need more coffee.
 
I read 9:00 a.m. In a couple of reports....

and.... Judge said that they would get it done today... Even if it took until 5:00 p.m.....

SOOO... Why would the time be noon now.... Especially since Jodi needs lunch...dontcha know...

JMO

Noon start EST. I think Vinnie must be based on the east coast.
 
How funny! I don't remember this. Did she get her sister to lie for her and say she was somewhere during the robbery?

No. I think she staged the robbery and then left with her sister for a little drive up to the Monestary. Meaning that Jodi Ann made a quick pass through the house to grab what she wanted after grandma and grandpa left, messied things up a bit to make it look like a robbery and then met up with her sister -- essentially using her sister to fabricate an alibi to cover her theft of the gun from the grandparents house.
 
This part of gcharlie's great timeline really makes me wonder if Jodi actually was in the house at the time. This makes me think she was waiting for the roommate to leave and TA did not know she was around til after text to Chris and before sex photos.



Why would he be preparing to clean the floor that morning, if she was up in his bed? I suppose it is possible, it just seems weird. And that he'd not mention anything to the roommate, since he was already saying he was scared of her.

I think maybe she was not 'officially' there, like maybe looking in the window of his office watching him watch the "Harder Stronger Faster Whatever" video.

I agree with you about when Travis knew that JA was there; this is one of the reasons I only posted verifiable information for that day and excluded JA's, with the exception of my speculation regarding the furniture and floor cleaner. The roommates did notice things had changed when they got home that night, and the morning seems to make the most sense.
 
It's been said that Travis knew something really bad Jodi had done.
Chris Hues who has read all of Travis' e-mails says if he had not threatned to expose her Travis would still be here.

He threatened to expose her shortly before the gun was stolen. He said if people knew what he knew they would spit in her face. He wouldn't be talking about their sexcapades becuase he was doing it with her. It was something else and it had to have been very bad.

What if Jodi is the one who is a pedophile? She flips everything good onto herself and bad onto others. Note, she has a defense attorney who defends pedophiles who she flipped out about when he wanted to leave her and refused to release him.

She had two siblings in diapers when she was old enough to "kick" a dog who got in the trash. Then DB had a young son... It just hit me yesterday after listening to Chris and then Sky. What if it was Jodi who was a pedophile with a past and she confessed it to Travis in trying to convince him how serious about converting to his religion she was.

If not, what if she has hurt someone else?

Travis was very forgiving, he believed his religion could change people and he was all for forgiveness for some of the most horrendous stuff ever done. He was abused, stalked, embarrassed. He forgave.

I just had to get it out there. There it's out. Chris wishes he knew what it was becuase he feels it played a part in the death. I do too. I feel there is a lot more to Jodi's past then we know. Listen to her parents and how people called them telling them they needed to get Jodi help.

Jodi has done far more then we know but Travis knew. That had to scare Jodi, especially since she knew he was not going to marry her. He was a person out of her control knowing things that could take her down. Her "reputation" meant so darn much to her.

let's not forget that Dr. D stated she had a job taking care of a little boy from late 2007- 2008 sometime....I thought the same thing when Dr. D mentioned this on the stand.....like your post!
 
I hate to say anything negative about JD because I really like her and I agree with most of what she says, but I was disappointed to hear her say that last night. I think it's kind of hard to detect what JSS thinks or which side she leans. Janine is a body language and the judges "body" is hidden behind the bench for the most part. I respect JD's opinion, but I don't agree with it and, IMO, I think she should have voiced it after the trial is over. I don't know that the jurors are "remembering the admonitions" and for all I know one of them could have been watching DD last night and may give a thought to what she said. :twocents:

I think JSS is doing the best she can, considering it's a DP case. I do NOT want this thing coming back around in a few years. The Alexander family has been through enough to last a lifetime, lord knows they don't need a repeat of this.

Southern, I would have to agree--I have nothing but respect for her contribution to the trial. It was my impression she focused on extraneous factors prior to finally answering--which isn't really about body language imo. For instance, she referenced control of the court, JA being allowed to take pill in court, Nurmi's sloutching, etc. I personally believe that a judge's performance should only be analyzed after we have all the facts imo.
 
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