State v. Bradley Cooper 03/16/11

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  • #381
Here's my problem with that. Her car was in the driveway. How did he think she got to the gym? If I turned up missing and my car was at home, that limits where I might have gone. I am positive that my husband would start out calling those that he knew I might be with. Another question that has yet to be answered; any evidence that he called her cell phone? I know it was in the drawer but would he have known that when he became concerned and started looking for her?

I'd like to know how Brad got the information that she was at the gym. Either he called the gym to ask if she'd been there, and generated the false check in, or the gym called him. If he knew that calling the gym would generate the false check-in, that's fishy. Like you say, how did he think she got to the gym, and why would she go to the gym when he bought the tarp for her Saturday painting?

Her friends were calling the cell phone, so unless the battery was dead, it should have made noise in the house.
 
  • #382
That would make sense but that is not the shoe given to the officer for the dog to use. This is the other thing that I thought of: I can promise you that my husband has no idea what I wore last night. (He doesn't know what I'm wearing right now and we're sitting in the same room.) But he would know where to find the clothes that I was wearing the day before if asked. He wouldn't come up with a shoe that I hadn't worn for some time.

She ran frequently. A running shoe would be saturated with her scent since she would sweat in them...and something she probably wore more frequently than other shoes (I imagine she had a closet full of shoes).


Edit to add: I wasn't aware of her frequently wearing flip flops. Those would have been a better choice.
 
  • #383
If he thought she actually ran with CC, maybe it is conceivable that he though she could have ridden with her to LTF. Of course, if he did it this means nothing. If he didn't, he was grasping at straws looking at places she would typically go.

To get an accurate picture, I need to know who he called looking for her. I know he didn't call Jessica Adam but maybe he didn't have her phone number. I also need to know if he called her cell phone (her meaning Nancy) before he realized that she didn't have her cell phone with her. The first thing that you do if someone is missing is to call any and every place you think they may be before you go into panic mode.
 
  • #384
LTF is not that far especially for somebody training to run a half marathon.
 
  • #385
She ran frequently. A running shoe would be saturated with her scent since she would sweat in them...and something she probably wore more frequently than other shoes (I imagine she had a closet full of shoes).

If it's a running shoe she ran in, she should have had it on her missing feet. A shoe she hadn't worn for months wouldn't be very helpful.
 
  • #386
Again, from a couple of books I have read on dogs, but only one was specifically about search dogs. A shoe, if worn recently would be a pretty good scent article. This is one reason dogs are noted for chewing shoes. There is a large concentration of sweat glands in a foot, and this causes a concentration of scent. The dogs chew the owner's shoes because the scent reminds them of the owner.

Now, if this shoe was not worn recently, or not at all, of course it would have been a bad scent article. It seems to me that a running shoe, if worn recently, would be a very good article because running would cause more sweat, and the friction of running would rub off more skin cells. Several sources that I have found indicate that you drop 40,000 skin cells per minute, and this is mainly what the dogs track.

The handler knows how to "read" the dog. It did not get into a track mode, but kept trying to enter the house. Of course there was a strong scent in the house, but if she left via the front door, as BC said, there should have been a track out the door and in the direction she left. The age of the trail is what is the sticky wicket here.

Would have been interesting if the dog alerted on the trunk of the car! But not knowing the history of the dog, it might not have alerted at all if untrained in human remains.

A personal gripe. It sometimes seems that things are done backwards or only partially done. I have heard of dragging for a drowning victim, then sending in divers. I dive, and I know the visibility would be poor at best, but much worse after dragging. Now, if this K9 did not find the trail, they should have called in Search Dogs and/or Human Remains dogs.
 
  • #387
If he thought she actually ran with CC, maybe it is conceivable that he though she could have ridden with her to LTF. Of course, if he did it this means nothing. If he didn't, he was grasping at straws looking at places she would typically go.

OR - he knew EXACTLY where she was....
 
  • #388
That would make sense but that is not the shoe given to the officer for the dog to use. This is the other thing that I thought of: I can promise you that my husband has no idea what I wore last night. (He doesn't know what I'm wearing right now and we're sitting in the same room.) But he would know where to find the clothes that I was wearing the day before if asked. He wouldn't come up with a shoe that I hadn't worn for some time.

I suspect that Brad came up with a shoe that Nancy hadn't worn for a while. If the dog had anything with Nancy's recent scent, it should have gone to the party house (unless the dog wasn't well trained - but I didn't get that impression). I was about to write that Brad should have pulled something out of Nancy's laundry - but Brad had done all the laundry.
 
  • #389
I'd like to know how Brad got the information that she was at the gym. Either he called the gym to ask if she'd been there, and generated the false check in, or the gym called him. If he knew that calling the gym would generate the false check-in, that's fishy. Like you say, how did he think she got to the gym, and why would she go to the gym when he bought the tarp for her Saturday painting?

Her friends were calling the cell phone, so unless the battery was dead, it should have made noise in the house.

I might be wrong but I got the impression that he put the kids in the car and just started driving around looking for her. One of his search spots was the gym. I've never heard that he went there for a specific reason.
 
  • #390
To get an accurate picture, I need to know who he called looking for her. I know he didn't call Jessica Adam but maybe he didn't have her phone number. I also need to know if he called her cell phone (her meaning Nancy) before he realized that she didn't have her cell phone with her. The first thing that you do if someone is missing is to call any and every place you think they may be before you go into panic mode.

I have not heard that he placed any calls himself. This might come out, but he did get out and ride around looking for her.

The LTF thing will no doubt become more clear with more testimony, but the story we heard was that he stopped in and told the desk attendant that NC was on the phone running late for a class, he wanted to swipe her card and check her in so she could just come into class.

This might not be correct, but if it is it will be pretty bleak. It is bad enough that BC said her card HAD been swiped, but this was not the case and he told the CPD that it HAD been swiped.... Hard to dig out of that to me.

At any rate, there are video cameras in and around LTF, so we will see what is to be seen.
 
  • #391
She ran frequently. A running shoe would be saturated with her scent since she would sweat in them...and something she probably wore more frequently than other shoes (I imagine she had a closet full of shoes).


Edit to add: I wasn't aware of her frequently wearing flip flops. Those would have been a better choice.

I have also read that Nancy had loads of pairs of shoes. She apparently kept the old ones for some odd reason, but most likely wore fairly new ones for running (runners replace shoes about every 3 months don't they?). If the shoe had been sitting in the garage or a storage area for 3 months, it would be useless.
 
  • #392
If he thought she actually ran with CC, maybe it is conceivable that he though she could have ridden with her to LTF. Of course, if he did it this means nothing. If he didn't, he was grasping at straws looking at places she would typically go.

Right... and I'm not even to that point yet: as it's still it's not clear (to me) that the 2:45 "query" was even triggered by Brad. He later (somehow) found out about it, but not at all clear that he was the one who triggered it. Maybe that will become a little more clear if it becomes a point of emphasis.

If he DID make the 2:45 query in person (of course possible), then yeah, it's possible he was trying to be as thorough as possible as part of the search (LTF may even be running distance from their house... or ride there with CC, etc.).

It's definitely not conclusive (so far) that he made an inquiry at the front desk strictly for the purpose of "placing" her there as result of that query [ and even if that was a 'strategy', it wouldn't seem to be worth trying... ].

We'll see what (if anything) come out of it. [ If he was there, presumably, LTF employee (or someone) can testify and shed a little more light... ]

[ Regardless, it does seem like there was at least some element of general truth to this info that was discussed pre-arrest... source was same as 4am HT trip?]
 
  • #393
It seems to me that is one of the things that should have happened. I don't see how it could be concluded that Nancy did not leave through the front or the back door simply because the dog didn't find a scent. If the dog had the correct scent, it should have, at the very least, crossed the street to the party house.

The dog was given a shoe, and the shoe could have been unused or not worn for some time. If the dog had the shoe Nancy wore the night before, shouldn't it have at least crossed the street?

Not based on what we've heard. There is a time limit from when the scent was made for the trail to be "fresh".

If the dog should have picked up the trail to the party house, the dog would have certainly picked up the trail when Nancy went running, since it was fresher.

But of course, she never went running.
 
  • #394
Again, from a couple of books I have read on dogs, but only one was specifically about search dogs. A shoe, if worn recently would be a pretty good scent article. This is one reason dogs are noted for chewing shoes. There is a large concentration of sweat glands in a foot, and this causes a concentration of scent. The dogs chew the owner's shoes because the scent reminds them of the owner.

Now, if this shoe was not worn recently, or not at all, of course it would have been a bad scent article. It seems to me that a running shoe, if worn recently, would be a very good article because running would cause more sweat, and the friction of running would rub off more skin cells. Several sources that I have found indicate that you drop 40,000 skin cells per minute, and this is mainly what the dogs track.

The handler knows how to "read" the dog. It did not get into a track mode, but kept trying to enter the house. Of course there was a strong scent in the house, but if she left via the front door, as BC said, there should have been a track out the door and in the direction she left. The age of the trail is what is the sticky wicket here.

Would have been interesting if the dog alerted on the trunk of the car! But not knowing the history of the dog, it might not have alerted at all if untrained in human remains.

A personal gripe. It sometimes seems that things are done backwards or only partially done. I have heard of dragging for a drowning victim, then sending in divers. I dive, and I know the visibility would be poor at best, but much worse after dragging. Now, if this K9 did not find the trail, they should have called in Search Dogs and/or Human Remains dogs.

Remember the gasoline under the lawn mower and on the tarp in the Laci Peterson case ... and now we hear about gasoline spilled in the back of Brad's car. Gasoline seems to mess up forensics, and most likely dog tracking. I still believe that any article belonging to Nancy, one that had been recently used by Nancy, should have tracked out of the house and at the very least to the party where she had been the evening before. I wouldn't conclude that Nancy did not leave through the front or back door, but rather that the scent item was useless. Did Brad also wash the sheets and pillow cases? A pillow case should have worked as well - since Nancy slept alone.
 
  • #395
Not based on what we've heard. There is a time limit from when the scent was made for the trail to be "fresh".

If the dog should have picked up the trail to the party house, the dog would have certainly picked up the trail when Nancy went running, since it was fresher.

But of course, she never went running.

The dog had to rely on the scent from the shoe provided. I'm pretty sure that we all can surmise that it was not a recently worn item. I can't blame the dog, the handler or the prosecution for the lack of activity in tracking.
 
  • #396
I have also read that Nancy had loads of pairs of shoes. She apparently kept the old ones for some odd reason, but most likely wore fairly new ones for running (runners replace shoes about every 3 months don't they?). If the shoe had been sitting in the garage or a storage area for 3 months, it would be useless.

True. I actually keep most of my running shoes. They go from running shoes to walk around shoes, to lawn shoes...in that progression. I'm doing another half marathon this weekend and will be needing some new shoes soon.
 
  • #397
...The [LTF] story we heard was that he stopped in and told the desk attendant that NC was on the phone running late for a class, he wanted to swipe her card and check her in so she could just come into class.

That's right!.. I remember it now - thank you! Having it happen exactly that way just never made any sense to me regardless of whether he did it or not.
At least now we know something is up with LTF... exactly what... I guess we'll have to be patient to see if anything else comes out about it. :)
 
  • #398
I might be wrong but I got the impression that he put the kids in the car and just started driving around looking for her. One of his search spots was the gym. I've never heard that he went there for a specific reason.

Okay, so he may have learned that she had been at the gym after he stopped at the gym to inquire. If that's the case, the inquiry should have generated the false check in as her checking in at the moment of the inquiry - in which case wouldn't he have looked for her at the gym? Something about this isn't right.
 
  • #399
Not based on what we've heard. There is a time limit from when the scent was made for the trail to be "fresh".

If the dog should have picked up the trail to the party house, the dog would have certainly picked up the trail when Nancy went running, since it was fresher.

But of course, she never went running.

I would have said ...

But of course, the dog didn't pick up any scent, not even the recent walk across the street. Either there was something wrong with the dog, or something wrong with the scent object.
 
  • #400
See you all tomorrow. I hope it's a better day. Today was HORRIBLE! I would love to have someone in the courtroom who actually wanted to convey what is going on. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!
 
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