State v Bradley Cooper 03-30-2011

[filesman]

Okay, let's say that 20 people had been interviewed within the first 24 hrs who claimed to have seen Nancy. Obviously they didn't, because Nancy was dead by 6am, but let's go with this theory for a moment...

What exactly would have been the different outcome?

None.

Nancy still would have been dead, thrown off of Fielding Dr, where her husband said she would NOT have run. Her husband opined she was with her running partner, CC.

So based on Brad's statements from 7/12, CPD would be looking for people who saw TWO people running together, yes?

But even if they decided Nancy must have gone running alone, they still would have been left with *nothing* to lead them to her body.

It took a man and man's best friend to find NC's body.

SAME outcome.

The only difference would be your impression of CPD's investigation. The result still would have been the exact same thing.

Nancy was already dead.

Brad still made incriminating statements and did incriminating things.

You are assuming that CPD investigated no one else and that isn't true. Yes, Brad was the main #1 suspect, as would be expected in any homicide in which there is estrangement between a married couple who were seen fighting the night before.

Seriously... how could they NOT focus on Brad? We'd be laughing at them if they hadn't, thinking they were clueless.

Wow.. I didn't know they pinpointed TOD to before 6:00 am...If I am correct the women saw her not too far from where the body was found. If they had listened maybe the would have started the search there and found her body sooner...

 

[gracielee]

I'm starting to wonder if anybody beside me on these boards like that bear painting. I LOVE it!

I liked it too, but I wouldn't put it in the dining room. My husband loves wolves, so I've purchased him quite a few wolf prints. He has his very own 'wolf-room', his mancave. The bear would fit in quite nicely.

 

[CentralAlberta]

There were people that reported seeing her that weren't interviewed by the police, or weren't interviewed for several months (or at least a couple). I keep going back to the woman that said she saw her, was less than 10 feet from her, and spoke to her in just about the exact spot she would be in if she left to go running at 7:00 am and followed her typical route. Again, she called police to report this on Sunday and then a few more times. It was at least a couple of months before someone even contacted her.

Did any of these witnesses know Nancy Cooper personally? If the woman who claims she had a conversation with NC didn't know NC, did NC tell her she was NC? I think it will be shown CPD did interview all these people and none of them could with 100% assurance say it was her becuase none of them knew her. Like many have said on this forum, there are many women runners with similar characteristics as NC in that area. The only way any of them could be 100% sure they saw her was if they knew her.

 

[less0305]

I am blaming someone that called the cops.

I held my tongue on all the other thoughts on her, but an ANGRY woman is going to be the new phase of crimes like these. Just like the craigslist guy was bound to happen and the Yale killer was bound to happen and the Knox County and Witchita murders were bound to happen with the evolution of the American criminal.

Here's how that one plays out for me: (no evidence, just a theory)

Nancy gets a text during a party from JA's partner. JA sees said partner's phone. JA then approaches NC, who is drinking and could care less about the text because it meant nothing.

She then waits to "talk to her" and she blows her off. She fumes overnight.

The following morning, around 7, she stops by to talk to NC before NC comes by to paint (or whatever).

NC is in the garage grabbing something. She say hi and is very pleasant. JA gets angry because NC doesn't remember the text and it's implications. JA grabs her as she goes back into the house. NC doesn't expect it. She's dead in less than a minute. JA backs up the car and drops NC in the trunk and drives off, later dumping the body.

Around 2:00, she decides she needs to call the cops and place a little shadow of doubt on the situation and point towards the weirdo husband, because, being a weirdo husband, he will do the rest.

There is as much evidence to support my theory presented by the state at this point as they have presented against Brad Cooper.

It's so funny that BC never even accused JA or any of the other neighbors to the police. He never gave them any information of any suspicion of any of NC's friends or neighbors. Honestly, why wouldn't the guy start pointing fingers at someone - other than a stranger - if that were remotely possible. If he would rather throw blame on a complete stranger that can't be produced than a disgruntled friend, then even HE must have figured that boat wasn't going to float.

 

[cityslick]

Is it ok if we move off the JA discussion since it's not relevant to what's going on today in court?

As for Det. JY not answering yes, he's not going to volunteer anything that he probably thinks would be a point for the defense, even to a simple question like that.

 

[Maja]

False.

He was asked to provide the MOST RECENT item Nancy wore, as that would have the freshest scent and the tracking dog is trained to work off of fresh scents (per the testimony). Hence the 'search' for NC's dress. Finally, Brad handed them a shoe. Recently worn? We don't know how recently she wore that particular shoe.

Wonder if the shoe was recently washed?

 

[less0305]

I don't think she would have been able to get the body in her car by herself either.

And do it all very quietly so as BC wasn't disturbed or heard anything going on in his house in the early morning hours.

 

[Wyn]

It just went poof into district court land. The news dropped it altogether (though it would have been an interesting local case) and I think it was at the request of the Town of Cary.

How would the Town of Cary been able to have the media stop reporting on a case? Doubtful. It was probably at the request of the parties involved who did not wish to be identified publicly.

 

[SleuthyGal]

I am blaming someone that called the cops.

No.

You are blaming someone who called the NON EMERGENCY phone number for the CPD hours later to ask them what they recommend she do since she was worried about her friend.

You see something sinister in that.

That's a reflection of your mindset, and not on JA's actions.

Targeting an innocent person who did NOTHING wrong and for which no evidence exists to suggest otherwise, is, IMHO, unacceptable.

And before you say the same thing exists for BC...nope. There is evidence against BC. You may not have seen it yet, but it does exist.

 

[luckyme]

I was asking why some people think JA may be the murderer yesterday. While I completely disagree with your theory, I thank you for explaining why you and some others feel this way.

I dont think JA killed nancy per say, but she raises alot of red flags for me. jmo.:waitasec:

 

[ncsu95]

Did any of these witnesses know Nancy Cooper personally? If the woman who claims she had a conversation with NC didn't know NC, did NC tell her she was NC? I think it will be shown CPD did interview all these people and none of them could with 100% assurance say it was her becuase none of them knew her. Like many have said on this forum, there are many women runners with similar characteristics as NC in that area. The only way any of them could be 100% sure they saw her was if they knew her.

No they didn't. But CPD completely dismissed her (based on what I have read). This is a professional woman (she is an executive assistant at a large company) and was certain of what she saw while Nance was still missing. And this is different than other people because again, she was less than 10 feet from her, made eye contact with her, and actually exchanged greetings with her. It very well could have been someone else, but CPD should have followed up with her in a timely manner. But they didn't because it didn't fit their theory.

So based on what you said, should the police now only request people who may have seen someone in a missing persons case only call if they also know that person? If that was the case, Elizabeth Smart might still be missing. Fortunately, the Utah police followed up on that report and was able to save her.

 

[gracielee]

Seriously. First of all, if JA killed NC (which she did NOT), why would JA call the cops? Makes no sense. Second, I'm sure you have never killed someone right? Well, neither have I. However, my understanding is it takes a lot longer than 1 minute to kill someone. How would JA (looking pretty thin and not real big) kill NC without a huge struggle? She certainly would not be able to strangle her w/out a fight from NC.

Exactly, and not only does it take quite some time to strangle someone, once NC was dead, she became 'dead weight'. We once had to transport a deceased dog, a large, approx. 120 lb dog, from our residence to the vet. My husband is approx 6 ft. tall, younger then, and very strong. It took three males, my husband and two others, to carry that dog down stairs and out to the SUV to transport the dog. Dead weight is really heavy.

 

[cityslick]

Did any of these witnesses know Nancy Cooper personally? If the woman who claims she had a conversation with NC didn't know NC, did NC tell her she was NC? I think it will be shown CPD did interview all these people and none of them could with 100% assurance say it was her becuase none of them knew her. Like many have said on this forum, there are many women runners with similar characteristics as NC in that area. The only way any of them could be 100% sure they saw her was if they knew her.

I think the point that's trying to be made and that I have a problem with is they didn't even talk with her during that time. You're in the early part of your investigation and don't have a lot of evidence to go on at that moment in time and someone calls CPD and says not only they saw her, but talked to her. If nothing else, wouldn't it be simple due diligence to speak to the woman to determine what she saw. Yes, they eventually talk to her, but why not at that early time?

 

[LyndyLoo]

Just thinking outloud here..but while talking about statements about Nancy's habit of wearing certain jewellry...I happen to where my momma's wedding band on my right pinky..everytime I go out..(however it is off when in bed or having a shower).....Now...IF I was found Dead half dressed on a construction site..without said item of jewellry on my person...One would assume, I didnt leave my own house under my own steam or had been stolen...Of course its not 100%..however, it sure would be a huge red flagg:maddening:

 

[RaleighNative]

Did any of these witnesses know Nancy Cooper personally? If the woman who claims she had a conversation with NC didn't know NC, did NC tell her she was NC? I think it will be shown CPD did interview all these people and none of them could with 100% assurance say it was her becuase none of them knew her. Like many have said on this forum, there are many women runners with similar characteristics as NC in that area. The only way any of them could be 100% sure they saw her was if they knew her.

The point is, multiple people (I believe between 14 and 16) reported having seen someone resembling NC jog in that time frame. It doesn't matter that they did not know NC personally. What matters is the CPD did not follow up on those reports.

Kidnapped persons are recovered by sightings by strangers. Just look to Elizabeth Smart.

 

[gracielee]

Did any of these witnesses know Nancy Cooper personally? If the woman who claims she had a conversation with NC didn't know NC, did NC tell her she was NC? I think it will be shown CPD did interview all these people and none of them could with 100% assurance say it was her becuase none of them knew her. Like many have said on this forum, there are many women runners with similar characteristics as NC in that area. The only way any of them could be 100% sure they saw her was if they knew her.

Anyone here know Nancy Cooper? Did she have a distinguishable Canadian accent? Just curious. Listening to Brad's depositions he does. It isn't strong, but it is there on certain words, vowel sounds, that are distinctly Canadian.

 

[filesman]

You know, and not naming any posters specifically..but I find incredulous that Jessica Adams keeps being demonized??..Why?..Because she was a close friend to the victim, because she knew confidential information from Nancy regarding the goings on in the Cooper's household, because she was the one who called the police out of concern for her not being where she was suppose to be ( how nosey of her!!), because in her heart of hearts she believes Brad did this??..The list goes on..My oh my It sure is hard to be an advocate for the victim I guess, when Defense advocates seem to want to discredit any and all those trying to seek justice for the victim...

I just dont understand it myself :waitasec:

wouldn't anything she testifies that nancy told her about the goings on in the cooper household be hearsay?

 

[LyndyLoo]

wouldn't anything she testifies that nancy told her about the goings on in the cooper household be hearsay?

No..IF she actually heard Nancy say or saw her do it is valid for the witness. BUT She cannot testify to what someone else said they saw, or heard..THAT would be hearsay :twocents: Hope that helps..

 

[Maja]

gracielee Quote:
Originally Posted by lib's mom
I'm starting to wonder if anybody beside me on these boards like that bear painting. I LOVE it!

I liked it too, but I wouldn't put it in the dining room. My husband loves wolves, so I've purchased him quite a few wolf prints. He has his very own 'wolf-room', his mancave. The bear would fit in quite nicely.
Today 11:56 AM


For $9000 we could buy a bear!!!

 

[RaleighNC]

re: Det Young "avoiding" the answer yes. You really don't call people, you call phones. I think the answer should be "if Brad and Nancy talked via phone at 6:40, she'd have to have been alive"

Re - the folks that "saw" NC running. I would want to know if they saw her in a baseball cap and ponytail. My guess is that any woman generally matching Nancy's description would have been wearing her hair UP, and maybe / probably a baseball cap. If that question was asked - and the "witness" said yes - then it would be unnecessary to pursue further. Especially anyone that came forward after the body was found and prior to any info being released about her dress / condition.