State v Bradley Cooper 04/01/11

[garner_nc]

Is it possible the straw came from the search party that went out ? Defense says "BC and others walked all around the area, numerous people, could have come from anywhere".

Straw is commonly put down when you are re-seeding a yard. I think it keeps the birds from eating the seeds. All it takes is to show one yard had straw in it to shoot down the pros theory that he tracked it in.

 

[RaleighNative]

Right. No one could determine legal guilt at this point because the state's case is not over. I love how people claim a 'rush to judgment' but all the evidence has not been disclosed. I'd say there's a 'rush to claim a rush to judgment!' :wink:

Hooray, we can agree on this point! Have a great weekend, SG!

 

[borndem]

Garage - this is Brad's #1 gotcha as far as I'm concerned. Brad said he cleaned the garage on June 28. Exterminator will say it was as messy as ever on July 8. I've wondered after the testimony yesterday if NC called the exterminator in because of the bugs in the house due to BC not cleaning while she was gone? Or was this a regularly scheduled extermination? Did exterminator go inside the house where NC had seen the bugs?

NC did call him, and he made his usual qtly service asap for her.

 

[SleuthyGal]

I asked this in another thread and never got an answer, but do you honestly believe that every person currently in jail is guilty of the crime they were convicted of?

I'm not saying BC is innocent, but the DA doesn't always get it right.

1. BC has not been convicted of any crime yet.

2. I know for a fact not every person in jail is guilty. The Innocence Project would be out of business were that the case.

3. Other people being convicted (fairly or unfairly) has no bearing on Brad Cooper or his case.

4. Juries convict, not DAs. DAs bring cases before juries and present evidence. Judges determine what evidence can be excluded based on their interpretation of their jurisdictional laws. Most DAs are honest, upstanding people. Ditto judges. Most, not ALL.

5. If Brad Cooper is not being properly represented and the judge is making legally incorrect rulings, it is incumbent for the State's Attorney General to be notified. Citizens can do this if they feel so inclined. I haven't heard that anyone has gone to the State's Attorney General.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I will say that if it comes out that the house was under 24 hour surveillance and no one came to that house between Monday evening and Tuesday afternoon, I will change my attitude about the significance of the straw.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Hooray, we can agree on this point! Have a great weekend, SG!

You too, RaleighN!

 

[FullDisclosure]

NC did call him, and he made his usual qtly service asap for her.

IIRC, NC called him because she knew he was coming that day for his regular service and Brad had not left a check to pay him. I'll have to go back and listen again, but this is what I remember.

If anyone remembers better than I do, chime in!

 

[LyndyLoo]

Could it be possible there was a return trip to the dump site? Just trying to think through all this "straw" testimony.

I have no idea if he visited the dump site again..but dont know if any recalls the testimony by this witness who said she went on some searches riding in a Golf Cart, she borrowed from a nearby Golf Course..then I recalled some testimony about the width of wheel base of those tire marks near the body of Nancy..although rain had destroyed the tire impressions, along with foot prints...but I finda went WHOA....I wonder if Brad may have used such a mode of transportaion..OF course its just my detailed mind trying to put bits and pieces together....

As for the straw...and possible link to crime scene...remains if it can be linked at this point...dont care how much traffic was in Brad's house..IF that straw is linked..and body had NOT been found by all the searching friends...however the dumper would have been..

Just a thought too..maybe wasnt there earlier..but when Brad was in his frenzied cleaning mode of laundry..maybe some got shaken out of some clothing items...I did see this rug was located at bottom of stairs from 2nd floor..Yikes..better stop my wheels turning..Im seeing all sorts of scenerios:banghead:

 

[uncfan]

Thanks to everyone for the great discussion! Have a great weekend. If you're a church-goer, remember to pray for the two Cooper girls whose lives are forever changed by all this stupidity.

 

[gbay]

IIRC, NC called him because she knew he was coming that day for his regular service and Brad had not left a check to pay him. I'll have to go back and listen again, but this is what I remember.

If anyone remembers better than I do, chime in!

Nancy called him on Tuesday, July 7 evening and asked him to come and spray because they had ants. He said he was coming to Cary on July 8 and would spray for her. This then became the quarterly visit. It was last done in April 3'rd.

 

[obsessive]

I have been reading everyone's posts and opinions since this murder occurred in 2008 and have been fascinated with everyone's thoughts, opinions, and interactions. Some REALLY smart and VERY observant people here on Websleuths!!! Most everything I have read has been intelligent and respectful of each other's opinions (with the exception of a 'loose cannon' that was posting for a short time yesterday!!). I am usually not too vocal with my opinions, and could be content just reading, but this case 'moves' me to the point of feeling the urge to speak up!!

I live in Lochmere (different section than BC and NC), and I work in the mental health field and have experience counseling both individuals and couples. As such, I can't help but give my opinion of NC's 'behavior'!!

Frankly, I consider it pretty typical!! She was obviously an outgoing person who was young, and full of life and energy (i.e. a fighter). She gave up a lot to support her husband (her home, her career, her family, and her independence). I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe she was anything but a good wife prior to learning of his affair(s). Excessive spending by both parties does not constitute being a 'bad wife' and her affair has certainly not been proven. She was cheering him on (loudly) when he graduated and her family accepted him as their own! She seemed to have accepted the long hours he worked, went to school, trained, and even traveled without her.

And what did she get in return? Betrayal!! He had an affair with her friend. Not a one night stand, a full out affair. And, if I am not mistaken, there were other affairs as well. Obviously she was hurt and angry...who wouldn't be? And instead of admitting he was a big jerk and allowing her to divorce and move on with her life, what does BC do...traps her. No work VISA, no income, no passports. I'm sorry, folks, but I find it completely logical (and healthy) for someone who is essentially being held hostage to fight back in what ever ways they can. In this case her 'fighting back' was in the form of telling everyone what a creep he was (hit him in his ego!), spending whatever money she could (hit him in his wallet!), do everything possible to be obnoxious and nasty to her captor (don't cook or clean for him, etc.). He could force her to stay there, but he couldn't force her to be pleasant about it!! I can honestly say that if I were her age and in that same predicament, I probably would have had many of the same 'bad behaviors"!!

JMO

 

[cityslick]

1. BC has not been convicted of any crime yet.

2. I know for a fact not every person in jail is guilty. The Innocence Project would be out of business were that the case.

3. Other people being convicted (fairly or unfairly) has no bearing on Brad Cooper or his case.

4. Juries convict, not DAs. DAs bring cases before juries and present evidence. Judges determine what evidence can be excluded based on their interpretation of their jurisdictional laws. Most DAs are honest, upstanding people. Ditto judges. Most, not ALL.

5. If Brad Cooper is not being properly represented and the judge is making legally incorrect rulings, it is incumbent for the State's Attorney General to be notified. Citizens can do this if they feel so inclined. I haven't heard that anyone has gone to the State's Attorney General.

You're correct on all these points, I was merely following up on your comment on how long should one wait in order to cast judgement. I'm one of those that doesn't determine guilt or innocence until all of the evidence is presented or there is such an obviousness to ones guilt (like prints on a handgun). It allows me to look at situations on both sides.

I enjoy all opinions on this forum. We may not agree on everything, but at least the debate can be civil and respectful.

 

[Ovechkin]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1986023/Nancy-Cooper-Rosemary-Zednick-affidavitpdf

 

[sariebell]

OT - Sariebell - Here I am again with your avatar.... Is it a Duncan Grant, or a Vanessa Bell or a Roger Fry?? "If you know..." Is it yours?

It's a painting that I made referencing a Nancy Drew image as well as imagery of mama birds with worms. It's hard to see in the small bad photo. I'm not even a huge fan of the painting, but I thought it was representative of my Nancy Drew/Mama Bird phase... And the Nancy Drew aspect is regarding all the time that I tend to spend here on the occasion that a trial hooks me with a case of the obsession...

 

[LyndyLoo]

I have been reading everyone's posts and opinions since this murder occurred in 2008 and have been fascinated with everyone's thoughts, opinions, and interactions. Some REALLY smart and VERY observant people here on Websleuths!!! Most everything I have read has been intelligent and respectful of each other's opinions (with the exception of a 'loose cannon' that was posting for a short time yesterday!!). I am usually not too vocal with my opinions, and could be content just reading, but this case 'moves' me to the point of feeling the urge to speak up!!

I live in Lochmere (different section than BC and NC), and I work in the mental health field and have experience counseling both individuals and couples. As such, I can't help but give my opinion of NC's 'behavior'!!

Frankly, I consider it pretty typical!! She was obviously an outgoing person who was young, and full of life and energy (i.e. a fighter). She gave up a lot to support her husband (her home, her career, her family, and her independence). I haven't heard anything that leads me to believe she was anything but a good wife prior to learning of his affair(s). Excessive spending by both parties does not constitute being a 'bad wife' and her affair has certainly not been proven. She was cheering him on (loudly) when he graduated and her family accepted him as their own! She seemed to have accepted the long hours he worked, went to school, trained, and even traveled without her.

And what did she get in return? Betrayal!! He had an affair with her friend. Not a one night stand, a full out affair. And, if I am not mistaken, there were other affairs as well. Obviously she was hurt and angry...who wouldn't be? And instead of admitting he was a big jerk and allowing her to divorce and move on with her life, what does BC do...traps her. No work VISA, no income, no passports. I'm sorry, folks, but I find it completely logical (and healthy) for someone who is essentially being held hostage to fight back in what ever ways they can. In this case her 'fighting back' was in the form of telling everyone what a creep he was (hit him in his ego!), spending whatever money she could (hit him in his wallet!), do everything possible to be obnoxious and nasty to her captor (don't cook or clean for him, etc.). He could force her to stay there, but he couldn't force her to be pleasant about it!! I can honestly say that if I were her age and in that same predicament, I probably would have had many of the same 'bad behaviors"!!

JMO

Very nicely said obsessive..and echo's exactly how I feel about it too..Unlike some here, who have never walked in the shoes themselves or with someone close to them to understand what you outlined here..TY

BTW...A BIG WELCOME to the Board :great:

 

[RaleighNative]

And what did she get in return? Betrayal!! He had an affair with her friend. Not a one night stand, a full out affair. And, if I am not mistaken, there were other affairs as well.

Welcome Obsessive! I believe the only testimony thus far that is was not a one-night stand was from NC's mother, and that info was from NC. Not sure about BC's other alleged affairs, or if it really was an ongoing affair with HM.

Anyone have some insight? I've been hit-or-miss with the trial, so I may have missed something.

I suppose now I'm just getting nosy wanting to know about more affairs and details, lol!

 

[obsessive]

IIRC, he first admitted to a one night stand, but later in counseling admitted to it having lasted quite a while...and let's not forget who he went to see when he left the house for the police!!! Pretty obvious there was more to it than one single romp in the closet!!

 

[RaleighNative]

IIRC, he first admitted to a one night stand, but later in counseling admitted to it having lasted quite a while...and let's not forget who he went to see when he left the house for the police!!! Pretty obvious there was more to it than one single romp in the closet!!

I know NC told her mother it was more than a one-night-stand, but haven't heard it from anyone else (though I could be wrong).

Maybe it was a long-term "emotional" affair and the only "physical" affair was the romp in the closet????

 

[less0305]

Not by Brad. He had an officer or officers following him and/or parked outside whatever residence where he was staying 24 hours a day.

Oh, I forgot that.

 

[ncsu95]

They ARE related to her murder because had Nancy not been murdered, you (and we) never would have heard of her, or known anything about her life (and her death). Her very murder and news of the case was the impetus for you (and all of us) knowing all that we now know and is the basis for the feelings you have about her.

How many times does it need to be stated that Nancy spent a lot of $$$? 10? 20? 100? 1,000? To what end? That it's some rationale for her being dead? and then what? At what point does it no longer matter what Nancy spent, how Nancy felt, or whether her house was neat enough?

Do you think that maybe Nancy's "behavior" contributed to Brad's "behavior". And Brad's "behavior" contributed to Nancy's "behavior". They fed off each other and did crap to hurt/antagonize each other. I've never met either of them and I'm really disgusted with what I've heard of both of them. In my opinion, Brad is a pompous that has no respect for marriage or women. And in my opinion, Nancy was a spoiled, attention seeking "princess" who also had zero respect for marriage. But if the fact that she was murdered means that all of her past behaviors are off limits in discussions on this forum, then that is simply wrong.

Let me be 100% clear. There is NOTHING that Nancy ever said or ever did that caused her to deserve to be brutally strangled and discarded half naked in a drainage ditch like a piece of trash. Nothing. She in no way shape or form is responsible for what happened to her that morning.

And I also appreciate that you and many others on here were 100% sure of Brad's guilt before the first word of testimony was ever delivered. But all I have seen so far in this trial is evidence that Brad was an egotistical jerk that had an affair on his wife. And until the prosecution decides to finally spring the smoking gun evidence that everyone is so sure about, I refuse to jump on board with you. If Brad did this, I hope with all of my heart that the prosecution has the evidence that will convict him. But I'm really starting to doubt that evidence exists. Either way, I find absolutely nothing inappropriate with questioning Nancy's behavior since it contributed to Brad's behavior. For example, people go off on BC for having an affair. Yet none of you say anything about her cutting him off sexually for the last 3 years of their marriage. Any chance the latter led to the affair? Any chance his behavior led to her cutting him off? See, they both contributed to the behavior of the other. And I will continue to discuss her behavior as well as his until the end of this trial. And I won't apologize for doing so.