State v Bradley Cooper 04/04/11

[gracielee]

So bottomline: Entymologist has scientifically placed Nancy's body at Fielding Dr (or at least dead and available for flies to access) by 6am.

That's the way I understood it too. Much in the same way the body of Danielle VanDam was dated as to how long she had been exposed in the elements. The life cycle of bugs is pretty exact knowledge to those who specialize in it. Hard to refute the certain number of hours it takes to get from one stage of life to the next.

 

[borndem]

I'm sorry. No better dog than a retriever. I put my lab down 2.5 years ago and still can't get another dog. My golden died almost 6 years ago (I can't believe it has been that long) and her ashes still sit on my mantle with her favorite racket ball.

Same with us, ncsu95 -- we lost our lab (our 2nd one

) 3 years ago, and we haven't gotten another yet. But we will, and it will be another lab.

I'm so sorry you had to lose yours, too. Oh, they are such fine, fine friends, aren't they?

 

[NCEast]

I was just thinking about my ears today. lol

Oh yes, from that respect, yes!!!

 

[MrsWendy]

I think the defense is going to have fun with this witness on cross examination.

According to the tests that he did:

1) She was dead at 11 am on July 11.

2) Flies laid eggs on her body at 1 am on July 12 even though flies are not normally active at that time. He guessed that a nearby streetlight was enough to make the flies active but he didn't offer any proof.

3) Her body was there before 6 am on July 12 but he said that his data did not conclusively prove that.

It's nice to have some actual scientific evidence to back up the state's case. But given the questionable data that the prosecution highlighted, it probably won't take much for the defense to make the jury question to reliability of this particular evidence.

 

[gracielee]

I'm sure the jurors are thrilled to be getting the maggot testimony right before lunch. :crazy:

:great:

I believe today is 'pasta day' too!

< just teasin' >

 

[borndem]

They better break this down to it's simplest fact and conclude with that. Because no way is anyone (let alone anyone on the jury) going to make heads or tails of this.

You said it. As in, "Explain it to me as if I were a second-grader." Puh-leeze. Heaven knows what the jury would infer from all this. Or me, for that matter.

 

[BrownRice]

The bugs wouldn't help determine time of death...it would help determine time of body dump.

He just said he has nothing conclusive saying her body was there before sunrise on the 12th.

Can you please clarify? Or can someone else? I can't listen to the tape today so I'm relying you guys. Seems like you are interpreting this differently than others?

 

[NCEast]

Defense didn't object to any of these questions. I'm curious to see what Trenkle (I'd be surprised if it's Kurtz) comes back with on cross.

This is by far the very best witness the pros. has presented so far. He knows his stuff and it's obvious. He has rarely had to refer to notes.....almost everything is in his head. He comes across as being very, very credible, knowledgeable, and intelligent. So happy I can finally say that!

 

[gracielee]

Does he mean the fire ant damage caused the skin injury, or that it occurred because of a skin injury?

From personal knowledge, fire ants seriously injure healthy skin very fast.

 

[NCEast]

I think the defense is going to have fun with this witness on cross examination.

According to the tests that he did:

1) She was dead at 11 am on July 11.

2) Flies laid eggs on her body at 1 am on July 12 even though flies are not normally active at that time. He guessed that a nearby streetlight was enough to make the flies active but he didn't offer any proof.

3) Her body was there before 6 am on July 12 but he said that his data did not conclusively prove that.

It's nice to have some actual scientific evidence to back up the state's case. But given the questionable data that the prosecution highlighted, it probably won't take much for the defense to make the jury question to reliability of this particular evidence.

IIRC on your point 1, he went back and explained that that time could only be arrived at by not doing a full and complete study and how sometimes the results are inaccurate because of that reason. He subsequently stated that due to the larvae stages, the time of death was around 1am on 7/12.

 

[NCEast]

From personal knowledge, fire ants seriously injure healthy skin very fast.

We never had fire ants in our yard until a hurricane in 2002 actually blew them in. My husband is extremely sensitive to them and a friend had to go to the ER because she reacted so violently to about 6 stings or bites. They are straight from the devil and have had to literally burn the ground and under the top layer of soil to get rid of them.

 

[happy2binNC]

:great:

I believe today is 'pasta day' too!

< just teasin' >

I was thinking more along the lines of rice. :floorlaugh:

 

[NCEast]

Can you please clarify? Or can someone else? I can't listen to the tape today so I'm relying you guys. Seems like you are interpreting this differently than others?

The witness, nearer the end, said that because of the various states the larvae were found in, that the murder appeared to have happened around 1am on 7/12. The body was at the dump site at or around 6am when the sun came up.

 

[Maja]

Official sunrise on 7/12/08: 6:08am. Twighlight: sooner (did we hear a time?)

 

[raisincharlie]

How many eggs does a single fly lay, and how often, did Dr. Watson say by any chance ? Just curious as usual.

I find it interesting about an alternate light source. I suppose a room with a light on or a garage with a light on could well provide an alternate light source for flies to buzz around in. The exterminator was just there on the 8th yes?

 

[cityslick]

This is by far the very best witness the pros. has presented so far. He knows his stuff and it's obvious. He has rarely had to refer to notes.....almost everything is in his head. He comes across as being very, very credible, knowledgeable, and intelligent. So happy I can finally say that!

I don't disagree, he was concise and to the point. That's why I'm curious to see how cross is going to diffuse this. I think it'll be annoying (esp to most here) is if he's says on cross 'well, it's possible the bugs could have gotten started at say, 8AM'.

 

[gracielee]

We never had fire ants in our yard until a hurricane in 2002 actually blew them in. My husband is extremely sensitive to them and a friend had to go to the ER because she reacted so violently to about 6 stings or bites. They are straight from the devil and have had to literally burn the ground and under the top layer of soil to get rid of them.

Last summer we had a couple huge mounds on our property. We have about an acre of land. My husband found something that was recommended to him to use to kill the mounds though. They are horrible. The road we live on looks very similar to the body dump site in this case. wooded along the sides of the road, and a gravel circle where our road dead-ends. Anyway, I had to watch closely when I walked my dogs last summer, because at numerous places along the road, at the edge of the woods, there were huge fire ant mounds too. I didn't want one of my dogs to accidentally step in one. Usually I allow them to sniff along the edge of the road/edge of the woods, but I remember last summer in particular, I had to be very careful. Never saw so many fire ant mounds before. Both myself and my daughter got bites on our ankles just from yard work/gardening/weeding. They are some nasty bugs. Right up there with brown recluse spiders IMO. :maddening:

 

[Just the Fax]

Flies arrive WITHIN MINUTES of a body being available to insects, as long as there is some kind of light available.

Especially if death occurred hours earlier.
Probably within seconds.

 

[snowshuze]

How many eggs does a single fly lay, and how often, did Dr. Watson say by any chance ? Just curious as usual.

I find it interesting about an alternate light source. I suppose a room with a light on or a garage with a light on could well provide an alternate light source for flies to buzz around in. The exterminator was just there on the 8th yes?

Adult female blow flies arrive within minutes to lay eggs on a cadaver. Each deposits about 250 eggs in the natural openings of the body and open wounds


http://www.nlm.nih.gov/visibleproofs/galleries/technologies/blowfly.html

 

[iucpa]

And good morning to you all as well!
Hope this week proves to be beneficial someway to the prosecution!

Why is that? Don't you just hope that a proper verdict is rendered? Glad you're not on the jury. This is still America - innocent until proven guilty.