State v Bradley Cooper 04-18-2011

[cityslick]

Now that the state is done, it leads me to wonder. If they didn't have the google search, would they had arrested him with what they had up to that point?

 

[FullDisclosure]

confer?! they probably gave her all the questions.

same way they told all of the "neighborhood friends" to ensure the affidavits were consistent.

Did you hear DD testify that they did not confer with AS? Under oath? I did.

 

[jrb0124]

I wonder if Jason Young will garner this level of support when his trial starts up? That too is "just" a circumstantial case. No eyewitness to the murder itself, he was 150+ mi away, etc, etc, etc. He too was the only "suspect," the only one arrested.

Every case is different.

...and I think you are confusing skepticism for support.

It has less to do with for or against, guilty or not-guilty, than it does a thoughtful consideration of the case, evidence and testimony as presented to date.

 

[yeknomaras]

Now that the state is done, it leads me to wonder. If they didn't have the google search, would they had arrested him with what they had up to that point?

I think they would have.

The google search is their "cherry on top."

This case is difficult... knowing all that we know about how awful their marriage had become, I find it hard to believe he didn't kill her. But there's just nothing absolutely solid that says it is right to lock this man up for the rest of his life. There just needs to be something *more*

 

[Just the Fax]

I wonder if Jason Young will garner this level of support when his trial starts up? That too is "just" a circumstantial case. No eyewitness to the murder itself, he was 150+ mi away, etc, etc, etc. He too was the only "suspect," the only one arrested.

It is interesting, no matter what the very damning evidence, there will always be a few that refuse to believe the defendant is most likely guilty.
You clearly see it in every murder case, no matter how solid the case is for the state. To each his/her own, I reckon.

 

[jrb0124]

Did you hear DD testify that they did not confer with AS? Under oath? I did.

Do you honestly believe the CPD would pass up the opportunity?

Someone conferred with AS.

 

[MrsWendy]

so - for those that say "no evidence" - let me ask you this:

Pretend you had $100 on the table by the front door (you are generous to the paperboy at Christmas). You heard a knock and a friend's spouse was at the front door. She/he was dressed well and even though you don't know her/him personally, you know the spouse, asked to use your phone, as her/his car had broken down and her/his phone was dead.

You allowed her/him (and I am calling her a her from now on to save typing) to come in and wait in the foyer.

After she leaves, you notice that your $100 is missing.

Now you know she'd never do that - but then you find out she's maxed out her credit cards, her car was repossessed, your friend is divorcing her because she is mean.

You live with nuns and monks with no history of stealing.

You have no eyewitnesses, but you have a crapload of circumstantial evidence.

Do you start looking for (other) suspects?

Bogus analogy. In your example the circumstantial evidence is extremely strong. In the Cooper case it is not as strong.

 

[yeknomaras]

Does anyone know if we'll see anything further today? The live feed says the jury is inspecting the evidence... but it's 5pm over there so I'm sure they'll wrap up soon without us knowing..

 

[FullDisclosure]

Do you honestly believe the CPD would pass up the opportunity?

Someone conferred with AS.

I agree with you 100%. I just wonder what other people think about the fact that DD testified, under oath, that they had not conferred.

 

[borndem]

I have gained 60 pounds since I never leave my computer, I do stand up every once and a while but it doesn't help

Try jogging to the bathroom and back when nature calls. Works for me -- I have only gained 10 lbs.

 

[cityslick]

It is interesting, no matter what the very damning evidence, there will always be a few that refuse to believe the defendant is most likely guilty.
You clearly see it in every murder case, no matter how solid the case is for the state. To each his/her own, I reckon.

There are some who would rather see the totality of all evidence versus having a bias one way or the other.

Why is it looked down upon to take that point of view and yet condemning a man/woman from day one is not?

 

[gbay]

Wral is reporting the Prosecution has rested and Defense starts tomorrow.

 

[NCEast]

Wral is reporting the Prosecution has rested and Defense starts tomorrow.

Thank you.
I just finished a nap, really looking forward to the defense case tomorrow.

 

[Just the Fax]

Originally Posted by Maja
The distinction between first-degree murder and manslaughter, a crime of passion, is important. A murder conviction carries a life sentence. Voluntary manslaughter is punishable by up to 20 years in prison.



Let's not forget about 2nd Degree Murder - I don't know in this case if 2DM will be an alternative for the jury. (It was in Hare, to no avail.)

Here is what is required for 1DM in NC (all 5 required):
1) Malice *
2) Proximate cause of death *
3) Intent to kill *
4) Premeditation
5) Deliberation - coolness of mind

* Required with the other 2 * to be 2DM.

In the end, Kurtz could petition the judge to instruct 2nd degree as an option. IMO, no way that is allowed, since this was clearly a preplanned 1st degree case. IMO, the state has an extremely strong CE case...hence the relatively quick indictment authorized by Colin Willoughby.

 

[ncsu95]

There are some who would rather see the totality of all evidence versus having a bias one way or the other.

Why is it looked down upon to take that point of view and yet condemning a man/woman from day one is not?

Because it is the popular opinion and group mentality sets in. It's much harder to be on here with a skeptical view of the testimony than to simply jump on the he's guilty side.

 

[Just the Fax]

There are some who would rather see the totality of all evidence versus having a bias one way or the other.

Why is it looked down upon to take that point of view and yet condemning a man/woman from day one is not?

To this day, there are numerous people that refuse to admit Scott Peterson or even OJ is guilty. The same will hold true in this case when the guilty verdict is read, imo.

 

[Palomine]

The State Rests thank goodness, at least that is done

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/nancycooper/story/9459045/

 

[cityslick]

To this day, there are numerous people that refuse to admit Scott Peterson or even OJ is guilty. The same will hold true in this case when the guilty verdict is read, imo.

I don't disagree, I just think it's sad that it's more accepted to point the finger from the very beginning, before seeing any evidence than the other way around.

Guess it's a societal thing.

 

[Just the Fax]

The state called 60 witnesses.
Kurtz has 227 names on his potential list.

 

[MrsWendy]

To this day, there are numerous people that refuse to admit Scott Peterson or even OJ is guilty. The same will hold true in this case when the guilty verdict is read, imo.

True. But it does go both ways. The defense could present evidence that proves beyond a doubt that he did not kill her and there will still be those who will refuse to admit that he is innocent. Human nature.