State v Bradley Cooper 3.14 .2011 - 3.?.??

[ncsu95]

I don't think it matters who lies. The problem that I'm seeing is that Nancy is being put on trial right along with Brad. We know she didn't kill herself. The marriage was dysfunctional. She was murdered on the Saturday after the BBQ on the 11th. Either Brad did it or someone else did it. All this gossip aside, were any of her running shoes missing? Was her necklace found in his desk drawer? The running shoes being the bigger of these two issues. I have others but I'll put them on the back burner for now.

Of course she is being put on trial right now as well. At this point, the trial has only dealt with his character and actions leading up to July 11th. And most of that information is directly from NC to her friends. Why shouldn't her actions be questioned as well?

 

[CyberPro]

Because unless they were involved in the murder, there is no way for them to have the cold hard facts.

I fear I must disagree with you here. It is not only possible, but LIKELY that they have cold, hard facts. They might be circumstantial. Maybe impressions, or observations, but they are no less facts for not being physical. As an example, suppose somone happened to be looking across the street and saw a shadow of someone locked in combat with someone else. There might be no physical evidence of this, but it was seen and an impression was formed. It was not on video, but it is a fact.

Do you think Mr. Duncan was telling the truth when he said that he never hit on NC or do you think NC lied when she said that he did? One of them lied...which one?

Possibly neither one of them. What CD did could have been perceived by NC as being hit on, but that might not have been the intent. I don't know, but this is possible that neither of them are really lying, but they have different stories nevertheless.

Now, one thing is completely clear to me about this case. I for sure do not want to live in that neighborhood!! Apparently, they did not have enough of their own business to mind, and so had to load their respective wagons with enough of everyone elses business to keep them occupied. Sheesh! I live in Cary, and not at all far from where this took place, but in terms of the way these folks are acting, it might well be light-years away. I have lived in Cary for 23 years, in two different areas, and I have not witnessed this degree of "social interaction" before.

 

[SleuthinNC]

There is a lot of focus on the $300 "allowance" and how Brad was trying to be controlling and did it to curb Nancy's spending. What if he was limiting access to funds and monitoring gas because he was genuinely concerned she may try to skip town and take the girls to Canada or elsewhere without his knowledge? That could definitely cause him to be upset about her earning money from the painting.

Also, he supposedly didn't know about her plans to paint and then questioned the amount of work she accomplished. Maybe the issue there was that she was actually not painting the entire time she claimed she was and he was concerned she was somewhere else. With all the bed hopping and other issues who knows?

Maybe neither of these things are relevant at all but they certainly are questions that can be raised concerning doubt.

 

[ncsu95]

Because unless they were involved in the murder, there is no way for them to have the cold hard facts.

As I stated, I worked with one of the individuals involved in this scenario and I saw the tears flow when DD sent out that loyalty email. It was a mess.

DD and her husband omitted pertinent information during the police interviews and as far as I am concerned those are lies of omission.

I don't know if BC did it. I will not determine that until I have heard all of the evidence. I too have read every document that has been released to the public and well as watched every video made available. I also have the benefit of knowing the culture of that group. But, even with all of that, I don't know that he did it anymore than I know that he did not. I can't imagine how you might already know that he did or feel that your espousing his guilt without hearing all of the evidence makes you more objective a commenter than myself.

I believe they are telling the truth as they heard it from NC and each other, but NC has already proven that she was not above telling a fib or being dishonest either. Do you think Mr. Duncan was telling the truth when he said that he never hit on NC or do you think NC lied when she said that he did? One of them lied...which one?

Well said. It feels like I'm defending BC (which I'm not) on here when all I'm trying to do is objectively look at what is presented and see it from both sides. Too many on here formed the "he's 100% guilty opinion" a long time ago. I haven't heard any evidence so far that gets me anywhere near 100% guilty yet. If it comes out (and I hope it does if he is guilty), I'll get there. If it doesn't, I hope he is found not guilty. I hope the jury doesn't convict anyone based on gut feeling.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Of course she is being put on trial right now as well. At this point, the trial has only dealt with his character and actions leading up to July 11th. And most of that information is directly from NC to her friends. Why shouldn't her actions be questioned as well?

To what end? Do you feel they have given any weight at all to SODDI? I don't understand how trashing her is going to make him look "less guilty". If he was the one killed, I would get it. She is dead. She didn't commit suicide. She was murdered by someone. To show how "very bad" she was just makes it look like he had that much more reason to kill her. So far they have not made anyone else look like a possible perp. imo

 

[ncsu95]

It is laughable to think Colin Willoughby would have authorized an indictment (especially so soon) if the case was based on anything close to what we have heard so far. The state is simply setting the stage to show possible motive....the perfect storm, if you will.

I feel sure we will hear the hard, compelling evidence from the medical examiner, telecommunications experts and possibly forensic experts . Personally, I am looking forward to hearing what the undercover FBI agents bring to the case.

I certainly hope so, because I think it is going to be hard to convict based on what we know so far (including what was said during the custody hearing).

 

[rwesafe]

Actually I do live in Cary, but not in that neighborhood nor right near it.

Witness testimony described Nancy saying her rel'p with Brad was like a pendulum...sometimes living with him was tolerable and other times...not so much.

Multiple witnesses confirm that as of the evening of 7/11/08 Nancy 'was back in hate mode' in terms of Brad, that they were fighting, and things were tense between the two. This does not appear to be a lie. Do you think it is?

Are the neighbors busybodies or was Nancy just very open about her issues? People only know what you tell them. If you keep your business private then they don't know. Testimony indicates that Nancy was open about what was going on in her life, including her marriage. That doesn't make the neighbor a busybody, it makes them the person she is telling this stuff to!

The police did their investigation and gathered evidence. They arrested the person they think they can prove did the crime. It doesn't matter if a thousand people think he did it in the 'hood, it doesn't matter if Nancy flirted with every last man in the town...the police have to have evidence to get the DA to take the case and take it to trial. The DA took the case. They have something that they believe links exactly one person to Nancy's murder.

Well, there is a lot of speculation that the CPD did not do their job and that what they gathered was nothing more than circumstancial. Until it is presented, none of us can know. I do find it curious that they are spending this much time on the heresay "state of mind." Could be legit or it could be an OMG, I hope all this corraboration is enough to render a guilty verdict...just have to wait and see.

As far as the pendulum thing...so what? How is that different than most relationships...ESPECIALLY when you are facing financial ruin?

Nancy was a little too open in my opinion. I find that kind of openess, especially with strangers, odd...but that is JMO. It sounds to me like she was trying to convince as opposed to share. I thought it was odd that she told that one woman they were in counseling when the truth was they had concluded counseling 3-4 months prior....That is a "I am trying to convince people" or I am seeking sympathy move. Maybe it does not matter to you...but it matters to me that an innocent person could potentially go to jail and two children could lose both parents because lies or extreme exaggeration became the norm, the accepted, and not the exception when determining truth.

But, ignore me if you can, I believe in Karma. And when my hubby and I talked last night about the similar scenarios that currently exist in our own lives, I thought damn, you most likely would be brought up on murder charges if I was killed on my next run. My purse has remained in my car for the 2.5 years we have lived here. When he is home, I don't carry my keys, when he is not here I take them with me when I run. We bought tarps two months ago because we intend to paint..but time is not friendly...we bought twine and a hack saw...heaven forbid I should be dismembered. We both work in an industry that has taught us well how to decontaminate bio burden. But he is the most gentle soul, even if we do snap at each other from time to time when life gets overwhelming or our parenting style conflicts, sometimes even in front of friends or neighbors. He is shy and reserved and I am an extrovert. Not uncommon, opposites attract. I would hope that if I was overly friendly with the neighbor men, or it had been discovered that I had a baby that was potentially not my husbands or that I had clung a little to long on the arm of another man that had then decided he wanted some of that, or reconnected with a past lover...that investigators would investigate all potential perps and not just the "most likely." I believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty. It is a dynamic that makes me proud to be an American and I would hope that we would want that for everyone. That is the true meaning of justice and fair trial. Will the court of public opinion convict me for being an idealist? Probably.

 

[ncsu95]

To what end? Do you feel they have given any weight at all to SODDI? I don't understand how trashing her is going to make him look "less guilty". If he was the one killed, I would get it. She is dead. She didn't commit suicide. She was murdered by someone. To show how "very bad" she was just makes it look like he had that much more reason to kill her. So far they have not made anyone else look like a possible perp. imo

How have they trashed her?

 

[SleuthyGal]

We're just a few witnesses into a case in which the prosecution is going to call upwards of 75+ witnesses (maybe even 100). These witnesses are those who are speaking to the victims' state of mind and getting the general feel out there.

Give it time.

Cases like this aren't won on only 1 person's testimony. It's going to be the totality of the evidence.

 

[ncsu95]

Legal question...can his video depositions in the custody case be used in the criminal case? Can either side show them? I would assume not since it would give BC a chance to "testify" without being cross examined.

 

[ncsu95]

Well, there is a lot of speculation that the CPD did not do their job and that what they gathered was nothing more than circumstancial. Until it is presented, none of us can know. I do find it curious that they are spending this much time on the heresay "state of mind." Could be legit or it could be an OMG, I hope all this corraboration is enough to render a guilty verdict...just have to wait and see.

As far as the pendulum thing...so what? How is that different than most relationships...ESPECIALLY when you are facing financial ruin?

Nancy was a little too open in my opinion. I find that kind of openess, especially with strangers, odd...but that is JMO. It sounds to me like she was trying to convince as opposed to share. I thought it was odd that she told that one woman they were in counseling when the truth was they had concluded counseling 3-4 months prior....That is a "I am trying to convince people" or I am seeking sympathy move. Maybe it does not matter to you...but it matters to me that an innocent person could potentially go to jail and two children could lose both parents because lies or extreme exaggeration became the norm, the accepted, and not the exception when determining truth.

But, ignore me if you can, I believe in Karma. And when my hubby and I talked last night about the similar scenarios that currently exist in our own lives, I thought damn, you most likely would be brought up on murder charges if I was killed on my next run. My purse has remained in my car for the 2.5 years we have lived here. When he is home, I don't carry my keys, when he is not here I take them with me when I run. We bought tarps two months ago because we intend to paint..but time is not friendly...we bought twine and a hack saw...heaven forbid I should be dismembered. We both work in an industry that has taught us well how to decontaminate bio burden. But he is the most gentle soul, even if we do snap at each other from time to time when life gets overwhelming or our parenting style conflicts, sometimes even in front of friends or neighbors. He is shy and reserved and I am an extrovert. Not uncommon, opposites attract. I would hope that if I was overly friendly with the neighbor men, or it had been discovered that I had a baby that was potentially not my husbands or that I had clung a little to long on the arm of another man that had then decided he wanted some of that, or reconnected with a past lover...that investigators would investigate all potential perps and not just the "most likely." I believe in innocent until PROVEN guilty. It is a dynamic that makes me proud to be an American and I would hope that we would want that for everyone. That is the true meaning of justice and fair trial. Will the court of public opinion convict me for being an idealist? Probably.

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[Toadlily]

Now, one thing is completely clear to me about this case. I for sure do not want to live in that neighborhood!! Apparently, they did not have enough of their own business to mind, and so had to load their respective wagons with enough of everyone elses business to keep them occupied. Sheesh! I live in Cary, and not at all far from where this took place, but in terms of the way these folks are acting, it might well be light-years away. I have lived in Cary for 23 years, in two different areas, and I have not witnessed this degree of "social interaction" before.

I'd hate it too. And come 11pm, I'd be calling the police on the drunken parties in my cul de sac. When I was younger, we'd cruise Gorman St and Brent Rd for parties--who knew that Lochmere was the place to go.

 

[cygnusx1]

To what end? Do you feel they have given any weight at all to SODDI? I don't understand how trashing her is going to make him look "less guilty". If he was the one killed, I would get it. She is dead. She didn't commit suicide. She was murdered by someone. To show how "very bad" she was just makes it look like he had that much more reason to kill her. So far they have not made anyone else look like a possible perp. imo

The goal is not to trash her. It's to show that there were other people in their lives that may have had motive. This whole part of the trial is about motive. Prosecution is trying to show that BC had motive. Defense is trying to show that other people in addition to BC had motive.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Well, there is a lot of speculation that the CPD did not do their job and that what they gathered was nothing more than circumstancial.

There are two kinds of evidence. Direct Evidence and Circumstantial Evidence. Direct evidence is: eyewitness, confession, videotape of the crime. Circumstantial is everything else that isn't Direct. Most murders are 'circumstantial' cases. Circumstantial cases are often the most powerful!

As far as the pendulum thing...so what? How is that different than most relationships...ESPECIALLY when you are facing financial ruin?

In most relationships, one spouse doesn't turn up murdered.

Maybe it does not matter to you...but it matters to me that an innocent person could potentially go to jail and two children could lose both parents because lies or extreme exaggeration became the norm, the accepted, and not the exception when determining truth.

So you continue to believe that CPD has no evidence, the DA took the case with no real evidence, because people 'exaggerated' or 'lied,' and that's the norm. Okie Dokie. I don't believe that rumor can get someone convicted of murder *if* there is evidence that ties them to the crime. And again, if there is no evidence, then WHY is Colin Willoughby wasting taxpayer $$$?

I thought damn, you most likely would be brought up on murder charges if I was killed on my next run.

No.

Your husband would be investigated if your death was determined to be a homicide. If there was evidence that tied your hubby to your murder then the noose would tighten. If there was enough evidence to tie your husband to your homicide, the Wake County DA would take the case to a grand jury. And if there was enough evidence that the DA felt would prove your husband killed you, the DA would take that case to trial where he would have to prove that case.

 

[Cheyenne130]

How have they trashed her?

I have felt that the questions asked by the defense have been to try and make Nancy look bad in order to make Brad look good. To be very honest if I was the defense attorney I would ask very few questions of these witnesses. My line would be something like this:

1. Did you feel uncomfortable having Brad around your family?
2. Did Nancy leave Bella and Katie in the care of Brad?
3. Did you have any reason to believe that Brad was going to harm Nancy?

If anyone answered in the positive to the last question I would ask for specifics. I really feel that the defense has dug a bigger hole with their line of questioning. Just because they have a law degree doesn't mean they know people. I want justice in this case and I don't believe this defense attorney is doing his client any favors at this point.

 

[Albert]

For instance, in all of my married years I can think of no time when my husband had to go to the store twice on a Saturday morning before 7 a.m. to pick up necessities.

I believe there were statements that laundry was started before the first trip to HT. If that is true then wouldn't it be known at that time that laundry detergent was running low and there would be no way to complete the laundry. Anyone know who started the laundry that morning?

 

[Cheyenne130]

The goal is not to trash her. It's to show that there were other people in their lives that may have had motive. This whole part of the trial is about motive. Prosecution is trying to show that BC had motive. Defense is trying to show that other people in addition to BC had motive.

If that truly is their purpose and their mark, they are missing it completely. imo

 

[Cheyenne130]

I believe there were statements that laundry was started before the first trip to HT. If that is true then wouldn't it be known at that time that laundry detergent was running low and there would be no way to complete the laundry. Anyone know who started the laundry that morning?

I would say that nobody knows the answer to that question because Nancy wasn't around to tell so you only have Brad's word for it.

 

[Just the Fax]

Legal question...can his video depositions in the custody case be used in the criminal case? Can either side show them? I would assume not since it would give BC a chance to "testify" without being cross examined.

Absolutely his sworn deposition can be used as long as his answers are relevant to the criminal case. That is why it was so dumb on his part, imo.

 

[Just the Fax]

I believe there were statements that laundry was started before the first trip to HT. If that is true then wouldn't it be known at that time that laundry detergent was running low and there would be no way to complete the laundry. Anyone know who started the laundry that morning?

Plus he had 2 versions.
One was he had a load on and saw they ran out.
The other version was Nancy discovered they were out, got mad and told him to go back to the store.