State v. Bradley Cooper - 3-15-2011 (after Lunch) - 3.?

[SleuthyGal]

I truly cannot get Donna Lopez and her testimony (3/14/11) out of my head. Frankly, her words are haunting me...they were that powerful.

Here's a woman who heard "Nancy's side only" the night of Fri 7/11/08 and didn't know her before, so yes, she got one person's side of the tale of bad marriage.

But think about the words she spoke to her husband...and the strong feeling she got when she pointed out Nancy's house to her hubby, as they drove away. She said, "something bad is going to happen over there...things are really bad."

And then, not knowing anything about Nancy being missing, she and her husband continue to discuss Nancy the next day, and she is worried. Really worried. To the point where she asks her husband to ask DD at work on Monday how Nancy is doing.

Now forward on to Sunday and Donna Lopez finds out that Nancy is missing...and her body is ID'd on Tuesday.

<shiver>

I've had moments of intuition that are so strong that there's no logic involved. Premonitions, if you will. It doesn't happen often, but it has happened several times.

Donna recounting what she felt, what she said to her hubby, has just floored me and it's done it in a way no other witness testimony has. She was predicting Nancy's fate an hour or so before Nancy went home to that fate.

 

[ncsu95]

The financial strain was obviously bad and problematic and they clearly had an issue with managing monies.

That said, I think it's important to separate out the feelings one may have about their spending habits from the fact that a woman was murdered.

No matter how awful Nancy may have appeared to some, no matter how flirty or inappropriate or whatever some see her, no matter how cliquish her group(s) may have been, no matter how much she charged on a credit card, she didn't deserve to be murdered.

I think that basic fact gets lost in the criticism of their spending habits, friendships and whatever else people have an issue with.

She was murdered.

I suspect some think she may have deserved it.

I don't think you could possibly be more wrong about this. No one deserves to be murdered and have their half nude body dumped like garbage on the side of a road/drainage pond. No one.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I believe her point was that when people thing of controlling behavior, it usually involves isolating the spouse from family and friends. Brad did not isolate her from anyone.

Not necessarily. I'm familiar with two situations (family) where a husband was controlling but still allowed the wife complete access to family. Believe me, the husbands had NO control over that! The rest was pretty scary and I'm happy to say that the two wives in the situations are not being discussed on crime message boards but they might have been given a change in circumstances.

 

[rwesafe]

It's easier to forget...when you're not trying to remember it so you can cover your later.

Oh, well, based on that logic, I suppose DD and CD should be sitting in a cell with him then.
:smiliescale:

 

[SleuthinNC]

As to tit for tat on the running up of charge cards, how much did Brad use the charge cards? Did he use them to pay for school?

It's very likely his school was paid for by his company.

 

[cygnusx1]

No matter how awful Nancy may have appeared to some, no matter how flirty or inappropriate or whatever some see her, no matter how cliquish her group(s) may have been, no matter how much she charged on a credit card, she didn't deserve to be murdered.

NOBODY EVER SAID SHE DID! :banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[SleuthyGal]

I don't think you could possibly be more wrong about this. No one deserves to be murdered and have their half nude body dumped like garbage on the side of a road/drainage pond. No one.

If you read some people's comments about Nancy and how 'spoiled' she was, the spending, the shopping, the anger at Brad, the telling friends and neighbors everything, the 'exaggeration,' (not here per se, but in a variety of online places), one gets the sense that Nancy is occasionally being blamed for her own death and the implication that she somehow brought it on herself.

 

[otto]

I believe her point was that when people thing of controlling behavior, it usually involves isolating the spouse from family and friends. Brad did not isolate her from anyone.

I don't view the marriage as a situation where Brad was controlling Nancy. Nancy was put on a budget, and she wasn't happy about it. She made sure everyone in the neighborhood knew that she wasn't happy about it. She had between $1200 and $1400 per month for groceries, gas and pocket money. I also agree with CrimeAddict in that if one spouse is expected to kick total income in for household income, why not both spouses?

 

[Albert]

Now that we are into the LE testimony I wonder if there will be witnesses to testify that saw NC at the party. Has the source of the caffeine been identified?

 

[ncsu95]

There has been a lot of arguing (both here and in court) about which plans were possible (7 am run, 8 am painting, or 9:30 am tennis). I've been arguing it as well. But (and I said this earlier in the day), it is possible that all 3 events were actually planned. Forget the murder right now....I'm simply discussing whether it is possible that all 3 events could have occurred. According to CC, most of their runs were 4 miles or so and lasted about 45 minutes. It's possible she did plan to run that morning (either by herself or with someone other than CC that she didn't want Brad to know about, which is why she would have said CC). But, if she did have an 8:00 am painting appt, she could get a run in leaving from her house and running 4 miles. That would get her back in time to grab the kids and go to JAs house to paint. Since she was painting, no big deal going right after a run. And if she took the kids, it wouldn't matter if she got back by 9:30, so Brad could go play tennis. Since she had a short timeframe from when she was leaving to go run and painting, she wouldn't have driven somewhere to meet CC because she wouldn't have had time.

I'm not saying all 3 events were actually planned (I have no idea). I'm simply suggesting that all 3 events could have been planned with the time frames being offered by both sides.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Oh, well, based on that logic, I suppose DD and CD should be sitting in a cell with him then.
:smiliescale:

You keep taking potshots at the Duncans and implying that they lied, are hiding something (relative to this murder), and are guilty of something...to the point that you think they are possibly criminally liable.

Obviously you've got something specific on your mind. Why don't you just come out and say what it is? I hope it's not more blahBlahblah about the Email of Ultimate Hurt(tm) cause that ship has already sailed.

 

[ncsu95]

If you read some people's comments about Nancy and how 'spoiled' she was, the spending, the shopping, the anger at Brad, the telling friends and neighbors everything, the 'exaggeration,' (not here per se, but in a variety of online places), one gets the sense that Nancy is occasionally being blamed for her own death and the implication that she somehow brought it on herself.

Most of the people making these statements are not convinced yet of his guilt. I do think she was beyond spoiled and think her behavior towards Brad was attrocious. But none of what she said/did would mean I think she deserved for her husband to kill her.

 

[johnfear]

I don't think she's being blamed. I think the lifestyle is being critiqued. I think emotions are running high.

I also think that this case is going to end up being a toss up for some folks (not saying there will not be evidence, etc.) in the regard that some folks will be on the 2nd degree party line and that some folks will swear by the 1st degree party line.

But, the neat thing is, I could still be wrong.

Her death (and any death like it) is a tragedy. We seem to have some folks out there that are intertwining the marital and financial difficulties with being a bad person, but I think one of the things that makes this case so magnetic is that they are both oddly normal people. They have personality quirks. Their friends and neighbors are weird. They have obsessive things. They loved. They hated. All of these things, coupled with the next rounds of testimony are going to show them as a couple in dissolution with two children who have no clue what the hell they are doing. I am sure his spending habits will be reflected at some point in the evidence. I am sure he was controlling. Whether it was to truly "manipulate and control" and "isolate", I doubt. Otherwise, how do we have all these people who saw her away from him?

Was it to purely levitate them from debt? I doubt it. It was probably something in between.

Did it lead to murder? Well, now, that remains to be seen.

Same Bat Channel.

 

[rwesafe]

If you read some people's comments about Nancy and how 'spoiled' she was, the spending, the shopping, the anger at Brad, the telling friends and neighbors everything, the 'exaggeration,' (not here per se, but in a variety of online places), one gets the sense that Nancy is occasionally being blamed for her own death and the implication that she somehow brought it on herself.

I don't think that is what people mean for others to infer. But painting her as a saint is wrong too.

Imagine if he had been murdered and this whole situation was reversed...do you think they would have all coming running to the cops to tell them how many times that NC said she hated Brad? Do you think they would have run to the media to say that she had an affair and the paternity of her first child may even be questionable? I think the only point people are trying to make is that one personality type should not be cheated out of a fair trail because the coffee clatch did not like him and wants to pretend as if she had no faults.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Was she "spoiled" when he was fooling around in the closet of their bedroom? She's being painted as the demon in this relationship and I really believe it was mutual.

 

[otto]

I don't think she's being blamed. I think the lifestyle is being critiqued. I think emotions are running high.

I also think that this case is going to end up being a toss up for some folks (not saying there will not be evidence, etc.) in the regard that some folks will be on the 2nd degree party line and that some folks will swear by the 1st degree party line.

But, the neat thing is, I could still be wrong.

Her death (and any death like it) is a tragedy. We seem to have some folks out there that are intertwining the marital and financial difficulties with being a bad person, but I think one of the things that makes this case so magnetic is that they are both oddly normal people. They have personality quirks. Their friends and neighbors are weird. They have obsessive things. They loved. They hated. All of these things, coupled with the next rounds of testimony are going to show them as a couple in dissolution with two children who have no clue what the hell they are doing. I am sure his spending habits will be reflected at some point in the evidence. I am sure he was controlling. Whether it was to truly "manipulate and control" and "isolate", I doubt. Otherwise, how do we have all these people who saw her away from him?

Was it to purely levitate them from debt? I doubt it. It was probably something in between.

Did it lead to murder? Well, now, that remains to be seen.

Same Bat Channel.

Nancy was preparing to file for divorce, and part of that would require a budget. Nancy would have wanted to pad the budget as much as possible to increase the chances of a post divorce generous monthly income for her and the children. The more she could claim she spent every month, the better her chances of securing a higher monthly check. It seems to me that Brad was putting her on a budget that was reasonable if Nancy gave up things like preschooler pedicures. They both had a hidden agenda with the $300/month.

 

[rwesafe]

You keep taking potshots at the Duncans and implying that they lied, are hiding something (relative to this murder), and are guilty of something...to the point that you think they are possibly criminally liable.

Obviously you've got something specific on your mind. Why don't you just come out and say what it is? I hope it's not more blahBlahblah about the Email of Ultimate Hurt(tm) cause that ship has already sailed.

Ah good...now we are dismissive...yawns.

I spelled it out yesterday. They both conveniently forgot to tell the police that BC hit on DD? Ummm, yeah. Right. I don't find them believable and that is my right as an individual to form that opinion. First off, DD is of the whole bunch, the most unattractive woman in the hood. In fact if CD had brown hair, I would swear they were brother and sister. That is JMHO. I don't see anyone trying to hit that and I seriously doubt someone that THEY THEMSELVES said did not like them would just oh, happen to hit on her. Who the hell acts all incredulous at the suggestion that maybe he did not care for them because their kid broke their daughters nose...I'll tell ya who...CD. Sorry...I have no respect for them. It is not as if I'm on they jury so I don't know why my opinions are so bothersometo you.

 

[SleuthyGal]

I don't think that is what people mean for others to infer. But painting her as a saint is wrong too.

Imagine if he had been murdered and this whole situation was reversed...do you think they would have all coming running to the cops to tell them how many times that NC said she hated Brad? Do you think they would have run to the media to say that she had an affair and the paternity of her first child may even be questionable? I think the only point people are trying to make is that one personality type should not be cheated out of a fair trail because the coffee clatch did not like him and wants to pretend as if she had no faults.

Who exactly is painting Nancy as a saint?

You do realize that exactly ONE person called the non-emergency police number on 7/12/08 to report N.C. missing, right?

And that the police arrived and conducted interviews with people at their (the police) request over the next several weeks. You know this, right?

And that the police obtained search warrants and conducted searches and gathered items of evidence, right?

You continue to post as if it was rumors and dislike that put Brad Cooper in jail and not evidence that was gathered (I mean evidence beyond the friends' statements).

Do you realize that Brad made statements that are not consistent? Do you realize that Brad was videotaped and made statements that don't match his written accounts? That some of his statements will not match the evidence? That there is evidence that will be proffered in court?

Or is it more important to believe that a bunch of friends and neighborhood folks (and malleable cops and a malleable DA, natch) just decided to 'go git him' and all of this is just one unfortunate mistake, based on nothing but people's personal agendas?

 

[Albert]

Concerning the cell phone and its location, did NC have more than 1 cell phone. During JA testimony, http://www.wral.com/specialreports/nancycooper/video/9273562/#/vid9273562 at ~18:47 into the video she states the following, ""looked in passenger side window and saw her bag and her *soccer cell phone* sitting on the seat" I listened several times and I can only assume "soccer cell phone" is what she is saying. During officer Hayes testimony he stated that BC gave him the cell phone from the credenza in the foyer.

 

[ncsu95]

Was she "spoiled" when he was fooling around in the closet of their bedroom? She's being painted as the demon in this relationship and I really believe it was mutual.

It was very much mutual. The behavior from both of them was childish and horrible. I've said it many times...I wouldn't have been friends with either one of them. But she has been made out to be a saint and him a complete villian (and I'm talking about the months leading up to the murder here). But it was very much mutual. Both cheated on each other.