State v Bradley Cooper 3-17-2011

[Just the Fax]

Undercover officer: I went with the info Brad gave us. He said Nancy left at 7 a.m. & Bella was still sleeping. #coopertrial

Can't believe Kurtz would go there. Brad told the cops Nancy left at 7am and Bella was ASLEEP. If Bella saw her mom that AM, it was in a dream.

 

[carolinalady]

We'll see what she says in court now (if called).
Rest assured the cop knows now what her testimony will be.

Can they refer back to her testimony in the custody hearing to refresh her memory and admit that statement into the record?

 

[RaleighNC]

I don't understand how the defense wants to admit into evidence thier own contradictory problems.

Was Bella asleep? That's what Brad said. Was she awake and did she see Nancy? I guess that would have had to be that she got up and then went back to bed while BC was at the Teeter?

Maybe she woke up, saw NC, describer her clothes, decided to sleep in and rearrange the TV furniture before falling fast asleep. Yeah, that's it.

 

[Just the Fax]

Scott Peterson is on death row because the jury used common sense and convicted him.
When the state does their closing, they will have all these little things that will be strung together to tell a powerful story...That no one else other than Brad Cooper murdered Nancy.

 

[carolinalady]

I don't understand how the defense wants to admit into evidence thier own contradictory problems.

Was Bella asleep? That's what Brad said. Was she awake and did she see Nancy? I guess that would have had to be that she got up and then went back to bed while BC was at the Teeter?

Maybe she woke up, saw NC, describer her clothes, decided to sleep in and rearrange the TV furniture before falling fast asleep. Yeah, that's it.

We know that Brad said Nancy yelled up at him about a t-shirt, then said "nevermind" and he heard the door shut. So, before that, was she t-shirt-less? Bella says that she was wearing black shorts and a white shirt, so she would've had to see her right before NC left the house (assuming she left the house). Again, going on my memory that the bedrooms are upstairs, Bella would've had to come downstairs to see Nancy.

Some 4 year olds would be able to distinguish one day's happenings to the next and others are not. I'm not 100% sure Bella didn't see her Mom, but I am doubtful based on Brad's own words and thinking about the above scenario.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I am anxiously and impatiently waiting for SleuthyGal to get here and give us her update. This blackout of the court is painful.

 

[ncsu95]

I just don't believe what a four-year-old has to say should be allowed in testimony.

You mean a policeman shouldn't have asked her if she saw her mommy? Really?

 

[ncsu95]

Can't believe Kurtz would go there. Brad told the cops Nancy left at 7am and Bella was ASLEEP. If Bella saw her mom that AM, it was in a dream.

Or she got up to use the bathroom (or because Katie was crying...whatever) and then went back to sleep. We already know Katie was upset (according to BC). Since they slept in the same room, it's quite possible that NC came in to deal with Katie and Bella was awake because of the commotion from Katie. Then went back to sleep once they got her out of there. That's not an impossible or even improbable scenario since they sleep in the same room.

 

[ncsu95]

Scott Peterson is on death row because the jury used common sense and convicted him.
When the state does their closing, they will have all these little things that will be strung together to tell a powerful story...That no one else other than Brad Cooper murdered Nancy.

Scott Peterson placed himself in the same location the body was found. That is huge.

 

[Just the Fax]

You mean a policeman shouldn't have asked her if she saw her mommy? Really?

He gave a very clear reason why he did not interview this 4 year old child.
Brad Cooper (the adult) said she was in bed asleep until 8:30 AM.

 

[Just the Fax]

Scott Peterson placed himself in the same location the body was found. That is huge.

There are at least 15 little things in this case that = huge.
Its all relative.

 

[ncsu95]

We know that Brad said Nancy yelled up at him about a t-shirt, then said "nevermind" and he heard the door shut. So, before that, was she t-shirt-less? Bella says that she was wearing black shorts and a white shirt, so she would've had to see her right before NC left the house (assuming she left the house). Again, going on my memory that the bedrooms are upstairs, Bella would've had to come downstairs to see Nancy.

Some 4 year olds would be able to distinguish one day's happenings to the next and others are not. I'm not 100% sure Bella didn't see her Mom, but I am doubtful based on Brad's own words and thinking about the above scenario.

Not necessarily. If she woke up to go tend to Katie, she could have been wearing black shorts and a t-shirt to sleep in. Then later changed into her running clothes.

 

[borndem]

Maybe she got up to go to the bathroom and saw/talked to her mom or dad, then went back to bed.

I'm not so sure I would remember it if I had been in that situation -- again, their days were so similar to each other... morning? after a nap?

And by the same token, there were a lot of runners in the areas where NC and CC ran, same ones, different ones, every day. I think one day would blend into another in a likewise manner. I would probably be hesitant to say for the record that I had seen someone on a particular day unless we had a specific conversation or something in my day were out of the norm. These folks were giving info on a very important event....:waitasec:

 

[Albert]

You mean a policeman shouldn't have asked her if she saw her mommy? Really?

That would be like asking a blind person what they saw and asking the deaf person what they heard.

 

[carolinalady]

Not necessarily. If she woke up to go tend to Katie, she could have been wearing black shorts and a t-shirt to sleep in. Then later changed into her running clothes.

I wasn't thinking about that being her sleeping attire, but you are right, it's a possibility.

 

[Just the Fax]

Not necessarily. If she woke up to go tend to Katie, she could have been wearing black shorts and a t-shirt to sleep in. Then later changed into her running clothes.

Clea Morwick knows exactly what the child said and apparently in what context.
Clea was interviewed, and based on that interview and Coopers statement she was asleep, there was no reason to traumatize the child with questions about her mom.

 

[carolinalady]

That would be like asking a blind person what they saw and asking the deaf person what they heard.

How so? Some 4 year olds are extremely observant and perceptive and would be capable of distinguishing the difference in days. Some are not. I just don't understand why they wouldn't ask (if for nothing else to figure out it was when she got up in the middle of night because her sister was crying or that she clearly had her days confused).

 

[ncsu95]

I'm not so sure I would remember it if I had been in that situation -- again, their days were so similar to each other... morning? after a nap?

And by the same token, there were a lot of runners in the areas where NC and CC ran, same ones, different ones, every day. I think one day would blend into another in a likewise manner. I would probably be hesitant to say for the record that I had seen someone on a particular day unless we had a specific conversation or something in my day were out of the norm. These folks were giving info on a very important event....:waitasec:

The woman that testified in the custody hearing called the police on Sunday after seeing the posters. That's the very next day....not days, weeks or months later. Her body hadn't been found at this point. I find that very credible. She was 100% positive it was NC because she made eye contact from less than 10 feet and spoke to her. I know eye witness testimony can be wrong, and maybe she was wrong...but she matched the description, time, and location that she would have been if she had gone jogging.

 

[ncsu95]

That would be like asking a blind person what they saw and asking the deaf person what they heard.

So if Bella told someone on that Saturday that she heard mommy and daddy screaming at each other, you wouldn't want that to be brought before the jury? What if she said she saw daddy choking mommy?

 

[borndem]

Oh, yes, maybe more than a bit old-fashioned. Punch Cards, Mag Core, Paper Tapes. I am sure this rings a bell. It was SLIGHTLY before I started in computers, but only by a year or two. I cut my teeth on PDP-11/34's was around for the birth of the PC. Spent a lot of time at Radio Shack drooling over the TRS-80's... WAY out of my price though.

"Open the Pod Bay Door Hal" .... I know a song, would you like to hear it?

"Will I Dream?" - I used to have HAL as the background on my desktop.... good to see him again!

Here's a song for ya: Daisy, daisy, give ...me .....your...... annnswerrr... ....do...I'm ......half ............cra... ......zy.... ..all..... .......for... ...thhhhfffmmm.. ......_________________

Ring a bell??

Yes, I knew punch cards (hated 'em) and you used a machine as big as a Buick to punch them -- we punched JCL for test jobs, but I did not deal with paper tapes -- did see a few, but did deal with mag tapes. We were an IBM shop....CoBOL, assembler, CICS....JES...