State v Bradley Cooper 3-18-2011

[Star12]

There was no sign of sexual assault, according to an article I just read.

Wasn't there some mention of Interact years ago with NC? Rings a bell...

Nancy had been in contact with Interact. Also, Nancy's Butterfly Fund benefits Interact, and the Run that has been held the past two years.

 

[panthera]

I'm sure you all have seen this before, but this is the link to the affidavit of the "witness" who claims to have seen NC at 7:10 the morning she disappeared. She claims to have contacted police several times but was ignored. Finally she contacted Kurtz. I'm sure the defense will interview her on the stand. This should be interesting because there must be some documentation of her police statement and the fact that she was ignored. Why no police follow up?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1986015/Nancy-Cooper-Rosemary-Zednick-Affidavit

Re-reading her affidavit, she does seem certain it was Nancy she saw that morning. I agree, it definitely should be interesting when she is called to testify at the trial, assuming she will be. MOO

 

[SleuthinNC]

Hmm after thinking some more I realized he could have attached a VoIP system directly to his home phone line but he would have had to use something like Asterisk to do it. That would indeed give him the ability to monitor calls as well as automate calls. I wasn't sure the capability was there in 2008 but yeah it was. That would allow him to do the calls directly over the landline. It would be more involved for somebody to figure out what happened if they didn't know what to look for.

 

[ncsu95]

I cannot say for a complete certainty, but it depends on the kind of equipment BC had. It could be a complete Cisco phone system, not just a desktop phone unit. If this is the case, all it needed was a network connection, and would not have to transit the Cisco network. I feel comfortable that he had access to that kind of equipment IIRC NC Complained about them using it for their home phones because she feared BC was monitoring it. To be able to use it as their home phone, it seems more would be needed than just the phone.

On top of that, most people that I know who have studied for an advanced Cisco certification have some of the equipment that they build out for a lab that they can use for training.

It still would have to interwork with a PSTN vendor in order to get the call to originate from his home phone.

 

[ncsu95]

It really doesn't work that way. At some point for the calls to go to his cell phone they had to go across a network that he did not have access to and there would be traceable records.

Exactly. He could have a full self-contained system but wouldn't be able to do this unless he interacted with other networks including PSTN access.

 

[ncsu95]

Re-reading her affidavit, she does seem certain it was Nancy she saw that morning. I agree, it definitely should be interesting when she is called to testify at the trial, assuming she will be. MOO

She has seemed credible from the start. She called the police before the body was found. She hasn't sought publicity for this. She kept calling the police to explain what she saw.

 

[ncsu95]

Hmm after thinking some more I realized he could have attached a VoIP system directly to his home phone line but he would have had to use something like Asterisk to do it. That would indeed give him the ability to monitor calls as well as automate calls. I wasn't sure the capability was there in 2008 but yeah it was. That would allow him to do the calls directly over the landline. It would be more involved for somebody to figure out what happened if they didn't know what to look for.

Even using an asterisk, I'm not sure how he could have done it. Please explain. The call still went through his landline vendors network.

 

[sunshine05]

Another thing I was just thinking about....when JA called the house asking to speak to NC, if BC was guilty and busy cleaning up the evidence, why not buy himself more time and lie? He could have told her she was in the shower, taking a nap, etc. He could have simply not answered the phone. But as soon as she called him, he seemed to begin searching, calling JA back to ask for CC's #, wanting to know where she worked, etc. But JA never said "um, she was supposed to be at my house this AM".

IF there was even one reported incident of BC yelling at her, pushing her, bruises, anything like that at all, I could understand everyone "knowing" he did it and having gut feelings that he did. I just don't understand why these women were so sure of his guilt immediately. Taking them out of the picture really changes things.

I'm really beginning to believe he could be innocent and CPD didn't want to consider that. The missing person call coming from JA and not BC really put CPD down that path. I just wonder if he had made the call himself...

If he did it, I want him to pay for it, but what if he didn't do it? I can't be convinced yet.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Even using an asterisk, I'm not sure how he could have done it. Please explain. The call still went through his landline vendors network.

Asterisk works like a PBX with the right line card you can plug it in directly to a POTS line connecting directly to the PSTN. At this point you can control all phones connected to the system and can call out across the PSTN.

 

[ncsu95]

Asterisk works like a PBX with the right line card you can plug it in directly to a POTS line connecting directly to the PSTN. At this point you can control all phones connected to the system and can call out across the PSTN.

Some freaking Russians exploited my system last month using an asterisk. Did $40k worth of international calls before I found it and shut it down.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Some freaking Russians exploited my system last month using an asterisk. Did $40k worth of international calls before I found it and shut it down.

Oh man that stinks! Asterisk is VERY powerful. In fact if he actually had an asterisk system running he could have used the browser on his cell phone to initiate the calls remotely. It would not even have to be automated.

Man, I can't wait to hear the phone call testimony!

 

[SleuthyGal]

when JA called the house asking to speak to NC, if BC was guilty and busy cleaning up the evidence, why not buy himself more time and lie?

He did lie.

He said Nancy was 'out running with C.C." He had no idea that J.A. was expecting Nancy and had been waiting for a couple hrs and was worried. He also had no idea that J.A. would call the Cary PD. In his deposition, BC said he 'thought' 24 hrs had to pass before a person could be reported missing. He thought he had more time. He went 'looking for' Nancy (with the girls in the car) to buy additional time (and clean out his car).

But JA never said "um, she was supposed to be at my house this AM".

She testified to this. She didn't want to get Nancy in any trouble since there had already been tension days earlier due to Nancy helping paint for money. She didn't know if Nancy had said anything to Brad about her plans and she didn't want to cause further trouble.

IF there was even one reported incident of BC yelling at her

Read the custody affidavits. One person witnessed seeing Brad screaming at Nancy (I believe in the parking lot at the kids' preschool, with the kids present) in 2008.

 

[newMom]

It really doesn't work that way. At some point for the calls to go to his cell phone they had to go across a network that he did not have access to and there would be traceable records.

Ok, so I have to jump in here b/c I asked my husband (a programmer and self-proclaimed geek) about this and he says that a call can *absolutely* be set up like that using an independent (and small) piece of equipment that could then be easily discarded. And that the set-up would not have to process over any network that could trace it. Maybe the prosecution needs to contact him so he can show how it can be done.

 

[Cheyenne130]

He did lie.

He said Nancy was 'out running with C.C." He had no idea that J.A. was expecting Nancy and had been waiting for a couple hrs and was worried. He also had no idea that J.A. would call the Cary PD. In his deposition, BC said he 'thought' 24 hrs had to pass before a person could be reported missing. He thought he had more time. He went 'looking for' Nancy (with the girls in the car) to buy additional time (and clean out his car).



She testified to this. She didn't want to get Nancy in any trouble since there had already been tension days earlier due to Nancy helping paint for money. She didn't know if Nancy had said anything to Brad about her plans and she didn't want to cause further trouble.



Read the custody affidavits. One person witnessed seeing Brad screaming at Nancy (I believe in the parking lot at the kids' preschool, with the kids present) in 2008.

He also told someone that she wasn't home because she was out having coffee.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Ok, so I have to jump in here b/c I asked my husband (a programmer and self-proclaimed geek) about this and he says that a call can *absolutely* be set up like that using an independent (and small) piece of equipment that could then be easily discarded. And that the set-up would not have to process over any network that could trace it. Maybe the prosecution needs to contact him so he can show how it can be done.

I would be fascinated to hear about this piece of equipment that can place a call to a cellphone delivering the proper call identification information to look like an existing assigned exchange without traversing any networks. The cellular network in particular.

Not being snarky, I truly am interested.

 

[SleuthyGal]

He also told someone that she wasn't home because she was out having coffee.

He told JA that Nancy went running and he told HP that Nancy went running with CC & probably was having coffee with her. So he lied to two different people that morning who called looking for Nancy.

 

[sunshine05]

This affidavit states that BC was supposed to play tennis with him that morning and they spoke several times.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1774425/Nancy-Cooper-Brad-Cooper-Mike-Hiller

 

[SleuthyGal]

This affidavit states that BC was supposed to play tennis with him that morning and they spoke several times.

Yeah...we know that. We had many discussions about that on this forum.

Nancy had HER plans and Brad had HIS plans.

 

[sunshine05]

He did lie.

He said Nancy was 'out running with C.C." He had no idea that J.A. was expecting Nancy and had been waiting for a couple hrs and was worried. He also had no idea that J.A. would call the Cary PD. In his deposition, BC said he 'thought' 24 hrs had to pass before a person could be reported missing. He thought he had more time. He went 'looking for' Nancy (with the girls in the car) to buy additional time (and clean out his car).



She testified to this. She didn't want to get Nancy in any trouble since there had already been tension days earlier due to Nancy helping paint for money. She didn't know if Nancy had said anything to Brad about her plans and she didn't want to cause further trouble.



Read the custody affidavits. One person witnessed seeing Brad screaming at Nancy (I believe in the parking lot at the kids' preschool, with the kids present) in 2008.

From what I read, he said he *thought* she went running with CC.

The testimony about worrying about getting her in trouble for painting....this was no time to be worried about that when a person is possibly missing. That was very poor judgment, IMO.

 

[Cheyenne130]

He told JA that Nancy went running and he told HP that Nancy went running with CC & probably was having coffee with her. So he lied to two different people that morning who called looking for Nancy.

Any evidence he went by the coffee place looking for her?