State v Bradley Cooper 3-18-2011

[Just the Fax]

Now you're being obtuse. He didn't say that call was to discuss the plans for the evening. Nobody knows what the content of that call was and to presume otherwise is just ludicrous.

I for one believe things were not as bad in that household as has been made out to be. Yes they fought. Yes they were going through separation. But I have a hard time believing that it was truly "war of the roses". I believe they shared civil discourse such as making plans to go to friends. If they were truly enemies, they wouldn't be doing ANYTHING together.

Obtuse?
Of course nobody knows but Brad (call was dead silence, IMO).
Common sense is all I was pointing out.
Is it big? No.
Will the jury consider, based on what 'makes sense'? Absolutely.

 

[ncsu95]

Now you're being obtuse. He didn't say that call was to discuss the plans for the evening. Nobody knows what the content of that call was and to presume otherwise is just ludicrous.

I for one believe things were not as bad in that household as has been made out to be. Yes they fought. Yes they were going through separation. But I have a hard time believing that it was truly "war of the roses". I believe they shared civil discourse such as making plans to go to friends. If they were truly enemies, they wouldn't be doing ANYTHING together.

Exactly. Our whole opinion of their relationship and what Brad contributed to household duties is basically all based on Nancy's friends. I think it has been shown that Nancy tended to exaggerate (as do lots of people going through a divorce). I think the truth of their relationship was not not good, but not nearly as bad as her friends painted it.

 

[NCB]

The information about Brad accessing his email account 10:13 p.m. on 07/11/08 hasn't come in yet, as far as I know. Since this information was recovered from Brad's IBM ThinkPad (work laptop), I would assume the FBI analyst who performed the forensics analysis would be called to offer this testimony. You can find the info in the search warrant for Brad's Google mail (Gmail) on 12/4/08.

 

[ncsu95]

Obtuse?
Of course nobody knows but Brad (call was dead silence, IMO).
Common sense is all I was pointing out.
Is it big? No.
Will the jury consider, based on what 'makes sense'? Absolutely.

So common sense says that 38 seconds was a lengthy call? Besides it not being a long call, there are many scenarios that could easily contribute to it being 38 seconds. Heck, he could have dropped the phone between the seat and console and had to reach for it. Not really suggesting he did, but we're talking 38 seconds.

 

[ncsu95]

Sometimes people who are not getting along have longer conversations because everything is a possible trigger for a fight.

Sure. She could have given him grief for not picking up juice the day before (or whatever). 38 seconds is just not an unreasonable amount of time for a phone conversation, and in no way could be considered lengthy.

 

[Lori59]

So common sense says that 38 seconds was a lengthy call? Besides it not being a long call, there are many scenarios that could easily contribute to it being 38 seconds. Heck, he could have dropped the phone between the seat and console and had to reach for it. Not really suggesting he did, but we're talking 38 seconds.

Considering commercials are sometimes 30 seconds and feel like forever...it could be a long time when talking to someone you hate. :giggle: Sorry, just trying to lighten things.....

 

[Just the Fax]

So common sense says that 38 seconds was a lengthy call? Besides it not being a long call, there are many scenarios that could easily contribute to it being 38 seconds. Heck, he could have dropped the phone between the seat and console and had to reach for it. Not really suggesting he did, but we're talking 38 seconds.

Yep, common sense (at least mine).

Based on the context, it should have been <15 seconds.
Drop the phone, really? It was at a stop light.

 

[ncsu95]

Yep, common sense (at least mine).

Based on the context, it should have been <15 seconds.
Drop the phone, really? It was at a stop light.

Common sense and the evidence presented indicates she wasn't murdered at 1:00 am when she got home, but it hasn't stopped people on here from believing it.

 

[Lori59]

Common sense and the evidence presented indicates she wasn't murdered at 1:00 am when she got home, but it hasn't stopped people on here from believing it.

Using common sense and my knowledge.....she could have been murdered anytime between 1 and 6 am. Digestion and pooling of blood are all subject to variables dependent on the persons age and muscle condition and the span of hours is quite variable too. Her face had blood pooled(lividity) which occurs within several hours. Rigor mortis has a wide span of 6 to 12 hours. However, lividity doesn't change once occurred ...so she was placed face down where she was found within several hours of death. JMO.

 

[Just the Fax]

Common sense and the evidence presented indicates she wasn't murdered at 1:00 am when she got home, but it hasn't stopped people on here from believing it.

Have you seen any evidence she ate her main meal after 7PM?
What about the onion? Sounds to me like she very well may have indulged in some dip later into the evening.
Hmmm, an onion in her stomach 7+ hours later:waitasec:

 

[jmflu]

The information about Brad accessing his email account 10:13 p.m. on 07/11/08 hasn't come in yet, as far as I know. Since this information was recovered from Brad's IBM ThinkPad (work laptop), I would assume the FBI analyst who performed the forensics analysis would be called to offer this testimony. You can find the info in the search warrant for Brad's Google mail (Gmail) on 12/4/08.

Thank you for doing that research for me, NCB!

 

[Albert]

From deposition video #7 at ~19:45 into the video:

BC states that he starts to organize the laundry into various piles and then he starts a load of laundry. At ~5:45am him and NC discusses going to HT for milk. He gets and milk and after he is in the house NC indicates they are out of laundry detergent which forces BC back to the store.

So, if BC organized the laundry, saw that there were multiple loads and then started a load wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he knew at that point they were out of laundry detergent. I know this is not evidence of any crime but it does not seem, to me, that it makes sense.

 

[Just the Fax]

From deposition video #7 at ~19:45 into the video:

BC states that he starts to organize the laundry into various piles and then he starts a load of laundry. At ~5:45am him and NC discusses going to HT for milk. He gets and milk and after he is in the house NC indicates they are out of laundry detergent which forces BC back to the store.

So, if BC organized the laundry, saw that there were multiple loads and then started a load wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he knew at that point they were out of laundry detergent. I know this is not evidence of any crime but it does not seem, to me, that it makes sense.

How many little things that day don't make sense??????
Yep, all those little things = a PILE of evidence Brad did it.

 

[otto]

I work in municipal government. Yes, the water is actually shut off. Disconnect day at our office is a ZOO!!! The water works employees take the list of non-paid accounts out at 8 a.m. and proceed to turn off every meter on the list. People wake up - or see them in the yard and immediately go into panic mode. They call, run down to the office, run out into the street trying to stop the employees. But they must pay the reconnect fee and past due amount and then we send the water works employees back out to the house to turn the water back on at the meter. We have had people wait two, three, four, five days to come in and pay the fee for reconnect and get their water back on. I assume they go to relatives or friends and do their business during that time. Towns and cities charge a connection fee and deposit at the beginning of their account and then a reconnect fee when water is disconnected for non-payment. Each city/town can set their own fees. My little town charges $100 deposit for a water account and then a $35 reconnect fee.

Thanks for that. So it sounds like they really were having the water turned off often and then paying a penalty each time - not very sound budgeting.

 

[less0305]

Thanks for that. So it sounds like they really were having the water turned off often and then paying a penalty each time - not very sound budgeting.

Not smart at all when just paying it one day earlier even with the late fee, better than paying the reconnect fee. I'm always shaking my head at people who will run into the office at 8:30 to pay to get the water turned back on when all they had to do was pay the afternoon before.

 

[Star12]

"And I still think he had already dumped his socks and stuff in the washer with Nancy's things between trips to the store - and he noticed he needed more laundry soap. So he slipped on his thongs (Rainbows?) and went back to HT. "
(quoting myself from October 8, '08)

And I still think he had tossed his clothing, which he had worn while cleaning and dumping, into the washer, and then realized he was out of detergent. Put on different clothing. Easier to slip on the flips. Back to the store. He HAD to get that laundry done. His clothes, Nancy's dress, cleaning cloths.

 

[otto]

Not smart at all when just paying it one day earlier even with the late fee, better than paying the reconnect fee. I'm always shaking my head at people who will run into the office at 8:30 to pay to get the water turned back on when all they had to do was pay the afternoon before.

Since there are so many options for ensuring that household bills are paid on time, I have to think that Brad was using this to mess with Nancy. I think they were both messing with each other most of the time - like a passive/aggressive dynamic. Like so many other marriages that end like this, if only one of them had walked away. I know that Nancy talked about it, packed, unpacked, thought about returning to Canada, apparently didn't like the idea of moving out on her own and remaining in NC. Ultimately she stayed where she was even though it must have been an awful environment for the children.

 

[BrownRice]

Like so many other marriages that end like this, if only one of them had walked away. I know that Nancy talked about it, packed, unpacked, thought about returning to Canada, apparently didn't like the idea of moving out on her own and remaining in NC. Ultimately she stayed where she was even though it must have been an awful environment for the children.

She had no ability to divorce and remain in North Carolina. She didn't have the necessary immigration status to get a job. She was literally under Brad's control until the separation agreement/divorce was worked out with the attorneys, which would have allowed her to return to Canada and seek f/t employment.

 

[BrownRice]

Lengthy call? 38 seconds is a lengthy call? You have got to be kidding. You act like these 2 had absolutely no interaction at all. How do you explain the plans to have the Hillers over on the night of the 12th if BC and NC didn't have some level of interaction beyond hate comments.

That evening's plans with the Hillers had been made prior to Nancy being in "hate mode." I truly doubt her mood changed from the time of the party to 5:45 a.m., when she must have been tired from a long night out, having quite a bit to drink, etc. I can't imagine she'd be in any mood to chat it up with Brad on the phone.

 

[otto]

She had no ability to divorce and remain in North Carolina. She didn't have the necessary immigration status to get a job. She was literally under Brad's control until the separation agreement/divorce was worked out with the attorneys, which would have allowed her to return to Canada and seek f/t employment.

There must be a lot of people caught in that situation. I'm surprised that there aren't some sort of compassionate procedures for getting a green card to at least keep children with both parents. It sounds like Brad and the children could legally remain in NC, but that Nancy had to leave - but how could she leave preschoolers behind.