Found Deceased State v Bradley Cooper - 3/23/11

[Just the Fax]

I did post this a few days ago ... I did a google search for the address when the body was found. It was in the woods... meaning there were no roads on Google for the body location, just the older part of Feilding Dr., which has been there since probably late eighties. The newer part, an extension of Fielding Dr. was not shown, cause it was brand new, just a few months old, probably started in 2008 sometime. I go by there everyday several times and did not know that a new section of the subdivision was being built.

So....a search for Fielding Dr would turn up a completely developed neighborhood, no empty lots.

I also said Fielding Dr would not be on his 'radar', because it wouldn't be on his route to anywhere, but maybe a friends house in that subdivision, or on Campbell Rd. Otherwise, he would have taken Lilly Atkins to go south on Holly Springs, or Cary Parkway to go north on Holly Springs. So Fielding would be stuck in the middle, not on his 'radar'.

Someone mentioned that he an nancy rode around on weekends looking for new houses, so they would have looked here. Really?? That feuding couple?? If they looked it had to be in previous years, not 2008, and the important part of Fielding wasn't there yet.

The state used both a 2007 and 2008 Google map today to illustrate where the body was found(satellite)
Both plainly showed the cul de sac and the dump site.
Brad could have jmped on Google Earth/Maps and easily panned over and seen that area off Fielding...a mere 3 miles from the home.

 

[rwesafe]

so which is it?

spurned lover?
facebook stalker?
random mexican in a van?

Anybody but Brad.

I don't know. But, I tell you, not two, three months ago, here in holly springs, we had a white truck, on two occassions try to pick up teenage girls in this neighborhood...and I am only a mile from Fielding. It really scares me to think that some crazy killer might still be out there. I can't find the video but I seem to recall that a white truck/van was seen leaving the area with the lights off on or about the date of NC disappearance?

 

[sunshine05]

I was speaking in general terms of why spouses are accused (and usually convicted) of murdering their spouses. Seems like an affair is always in the mix. I'm not saying BC is guilty because he had an affair, nor am I saying NC is guilty in anyway of having an affair (that led to her death).

I think a big one is money but I don't see that in this case because there was no life insurance, well, very little. Think about how different this case would look if there was a million dollar policy on Nancy. That would be motive. Motive is missing from this case. I just don't get the sense that he hated her.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I didn't necessarily imply that he walked in the room and strangled her in her sleep. They could have been fighting for hours after she came home and it ended badly.
2 hours is plenty of time to clear the garage and load the body.
He could have finished his cleaning spree after the HT trips very early AM

Really he could have finished cleaning much later into the morning couldn't he? I mean until the first person arrived at his house he could have been cleaning, no?

 

[rwesafe]

Coitus (between NC and JP) has not been testified to or confirmed. It's what the defense alleges in their opening. Opening statements are not evidence. It's not evidence until there is testimony that brings that fact out. Right now it remains as a rumor.

Oh. It would seem strange to bring up possible paternity issue if it had not been confirmed that coitus had taken place...but, yeah, stranger things...

 

[ncsu95]

First let me say that I am very glad that you had a good outcome to your medical situation.

I can't deny that it disappoints me as a human being, an American, so on and so forth to see people so snarky about evidence of murder not pointing to this man. It does not speak well of the human condition to believe that we live in a society that will digress to witch hunting and burning at the stake because someone did not have a personality that was reportedly conducive to what the majority consider "normal" as if normal has ever been defined to a degree that a standard can be used. What a world...I think you did it and so do the neighbors, you look funny and you don't act like I think you should...to the stake with you...someone light the fire. Geez...scarey stuff.

I understand that you hope he rots in the firey pits of satan's bowel based on your "feeling" that he did this. But to regard her behavior of having relations with another man while she and BC were trying to conceive a child does not make her a candidate for Wife of the Year either. Some may even consider that just as socially unacceptable behavior as what BC demonstrated.

The fact that it was reported by a forensic DNA expert that there were additional DNA or peaks identified on the bra analysis, is, IMO, significant and worth consideration. These additional peaks that did not match the excluded DNA (NC's) or the included DNA profile or standard as they called it during testimony of BC, indicates that someone else very well could have committed this crime. I hope they expand upon that further so that people get what that means because you will not be able to say...oh well, the rain and environmental conditions were on BC's side so they just left DNA from her kids or some other murderer who we don't want to consider cuz our guts have already told us who did it, on there and ate his up.

I'm disgusted, at this point, that an indictment was handed down from the Grand Jury based on the nothing that has been presented.

I hope John Pearson is called to the stand, just to hear what he has to say.

Welcome back.

 

[BrownRice]

I think a big one is money but I don't see that in this case because there was no life insurance, well, very little. Think about how different this case would look if there was a million dollar policy on Nancy. That would be motive. Motive is missing from this case. I just don't get the sense that he hated her.

Yes, you are correct. Her life insurance policy was only $75k, certainly not worth killing someone over (not in his case anyways).

I do think he hated her though. If anything, he had no respect for her (cutting her off $, no access to online banking, stealing passports (although I can understand not wanting the kids to go to Canada - parental abduction type of thing), and multiple affairs.

If he did read her emails and saw the email from the atty that night (friday), he would be seething. She was buzzed from the party, would have been infuriated if he confronted her about it, and there you go. Two people who can't stand each other and it all begins and goes somewhere neither of them expected (Brad going into a rage and it's all over at that point).

So the only motive I can buy (from what I've read/heard) is losing control in a moment of fury and not being able to stop what's coming next.

 

[jmflu]

I don't know. But, I tell you, not two, three months ago, here in holly springs, we had a white truck, on two occassions try to pick up teenage girls in this neighborhood...and I am only a mile from Fielding. It really scares me to think that some crazy killer might still be out there. I can't find the video but I seem to recall that a white truck/van was seen leaving the area with the lights off on or about the date of NC disappearance?

I remember reading that. But even Nancy's appearance doesn't support a random crime. No sexual assault, no theft, and missing items like shoes and socks that make no sense, not to mention strangulation which most often points to an emotional connection with the perp. No other *random* murders in the area. The quick arrest of BC. The inconsistencies, the lies, the motive, the means, the opportunity. They all point, together, to one man. Can we convict? Not yet. But intuition and common sense point us in the exact direction we are heading.

 

[ncsu95]

While it is my opinion that is far more likely that Brad murdered his wife than someone else doing the deed, at this point the prosecution has not convinced me that :

a. Nancy was murdered shortly after returning home
b. That she was murdered in the foyer as Dismukes has indicated.

I do hope there is more forensic testimony to be presented. As of now we have an immaculately clean car, clean seat covers, a clean dress, some blood under Nancy's nails, and one horrendously sloppy house which is in total opposition to the condition of the car. None of which tells me Nancy was either murdered shortly after returning home or in the foyer. I do believe the condition of the car is evidence in itself, or should I say the total lack of anything in that car.

Why clean the car if he put her in the trunk? What purpose would it serve?

 

[SleuthinNC]

Yes, you are correct. Her life insurance policy was only $75k, certainly not worth killing someone over (not in his case anyways).

I do think he hated her though. If anything, he had no respect for her (cutting her off $, no access to online banking, stealing passports (although I can understand not wanting the kids to go to Canada - parental abduction type of thing), and multiple affairs.

If he did read her emails and saw the email from the atty that night (friday), he would be seething. She was buzzed from the party, would have been infuriated if he confronted her about it, and there you go. Two people who can't stand each other and it all begins and goes somewhere neither of them expected (Brad going into a rage and it's all over at that point).

So the only motive I can buy (from what I've read/heard) is losing control in a moment of fury and not being able to stop what's coming next.

I agree that if he did it we are looking more at a crime of passion than anything else.

 

[BrownRice]

Why clean the car if he put her in the trunk? What purpose would it serve?

He would have been concerned about trace evidence from the house, to the dumping site, and back to the house. I would have definitely cleaned the car from bumper to bumper if I did it.

 

[sunshine05]

Disgusting. Heartless. This blame the victim approach that Brad supporters adopt only hardens me towards him.

Kurtz claims JP admitted it during his 2nd interview with him. If he doesn't put him on the stand, possibly there is a recording of the interview. He also said that JP's wife said he had an STD and that there are receipts for an STD test purchased by NC and the investigators found it in their search of the home.

I personally don't think this changes much in this case, except to show that both of them were having affairs and her friends didn't know that side of her.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I think a big one is money but I don't see that in this case because there was no life insurance, well, very little. Think about how different this case would look if there was a million dollar policy on Nancy. That would be motive. Motive is missing from this case. I just don't get the sense that he hated her.

In the seperation agreement the blank for child support was filled in. It was to be $2100 a month. The email to Nancy that may/may not have been intercepted by Brad indicated that the alimony field had not yet been filled in. There were other items in that seperation agreement as well. It's in the documents on WRAL. If you have not yet read that document, scan over and see if you wouldn't think that money might be a motive.

 

[rwesafe]

Welcome back.

Thank you

I don't understand why that DNA evidence was not concerning to people. It does very much indicate that someone else could have done this. Do you think they will expand upon this or do these experts only get called once and questions asked during cross? Can defense recall experts and witnesses?

 

[sunshine05]

What has the defense lied about? I must have missed something.

 

[Just the Fax]

Oh. It would seem strange to bring up possible paternity issue if it had not been confirmed that coitus had taken place...but, yeah, stranger things...

Strange to bring it up :waitasec:

Have you been watching Kurtz?

He can imply about anything he wants and is not obligated to prove a thing.

 

[jmflu]

I agree that if he did it we are looking more at a crime of passion than anything else.

Agreed. Definitely. Brad seemed to be all about control. That night when she embarrassed him in front of her friends, he wasn't in control. He couldn't control her friends' perceptions of him, he couldn't control what she said about him, and it must have put him in a real rage. He got final control by shutting her up.

 

[BrownRice]

In the seperation agreement the blank for child support was filled in. It was to be $2100 a month. The email to Nancy that may/may not have been intercepted by Brad indicated that the alimony field had not yet been filled in. There were other items in that seperation agreement as well. It's in the documents on WRAL. If you have not yet read that document, scan over and see if you wouldn't think that money might be a motive.

Yes, he would have been irate with having to pay the alimony/child support and other expenses. But so mad to kill her? I just see him as too intelligent to be so stupid. Of course, it happens every day, but I would be shocked.

 

[Cheyenne130]

Kurtz claims JP admitted it during his 2nd interview with him. If he doesn't put him on the stand, possibly there is a recording of the interview. He also said that JP's wife said he had an STD and that there are receipts for an STD test purchased by NC and the investigators found it in their search of the home.

I personally don't think this changes much in this case, except to show that both of them were having affairs and her friends didn't know that side of her.

Are we for sure that she wasn't concerned about having gotten an STD from her husband?

 

[jmflu]

Kurtz claims JP admitted it during his 2nd interview with him. If he doesn't put him on the stand, possibly there is a recording of the interview. He also said that JP's wife said he had an STD and that there are receipts for an STD test purchased by NC and the investigators found it in their search of the home.

I personally don't think this changes much in this case, except to show that both of them were having affairs and her friends didn't know that side of her.

Thank you for that info.