State v Bradley Cooper - 3/25/11

[SleuthyGal]

I think people either forget (or don't realize) that opening statements are NOT testimony nor are they evidence of anything. The judge told the jury that as well. A lot of jurors didn't take notes during the defense's opening (I was there that day in the courtroom). The defense can promise to show anything and everything, but that doesn't mean they can or will. And because what they say isn't evidence, it doesn't even have to match the actual evidence that is testified to. The defense is counting on people not remembering all they promised by the end of the trial.

 

[SleuthSayer]

Actually no, TWC digital voice is voice over cable not VoIP. They provide an analog connection into the home which is why you can connect a regular phone directly into the system. It works like and interconnects with the PSTN. At this point pretty much all of the PSTN is a data network now anyway.

There is no such thing as "voice over cable". Cable is the physical connectivity.

TWC will claim that it's different from VoIP, but that's because they are trying to justify the fact that their price is higher than the other VoIP providers. The only thing unique about it is it doesn't go over the Internet, it goes over their Sonet network where they then bridge it to the PSTN. But the technology is still VoIP. If you are interested, read more about it here.

And, having VoIP has nothing to do with whether you can use "regular" phones. I've had VoIP for years and have always had normal phones and every phone in my house can be used to send/receive the VoIP calls.

 

[Lori59]

As far as the States case so far....I'm not worried. This is a case of establishing a lot of foundation, which takes time. They started with some great witnesses to me... showing the marriage in decline. Her friends then ending with her mother. Lately they are showing the foundation for a lot of technical evidence. I think the weeks to come will put it all together. I think we are in the middle of some not so "smoking gun" evidence but rather setting up the next witnesses that will make sense out of the evidence. I think they know....to put the big stuff at the end. I think the complaints of the State are premature. I know most see it differently. These are smart attorneys. It is easy to say what they should be doing....hard to lay it all out there. JMO

 

[WolfpackWoman]

I agree with the point that opening statements are not evidence. However, there are a lot of things being posted and speculated about on these boards that are not evidence. And I think that's the point of these boards, to provide discussion and speculation. No affidavit, deposition, or news article is evidence either, until it has been entered as such in this trial. So, either we can reference everything, or just trial testimony; but it's a bit ridiculous to think we can reference everything under the moon (even things that are blatantly wrong), except for the opening statements of either the prosecution or the defense.

 

[sunshine05]

True. Seems there may be some confusion with what Kurtz 'said' in his opening and what has actually been testified to. There is a huge difference. In opening statements Kurtz said a lot of stuff that has already been proven inaccurate. And again, I hope the prosecution will be able to show, in an easy to understand manner, the differences when they wrap up everything in their closing.

What has been found to be inaccurate from the opening statements?

 

[CyberPro]

I have to admit I was groovin' on his testimony to begin with, but I thought it was hard to follow without being able to see the maps.

There will be more testimony, since he was only a "layman" and not qualified as an expert. In the end, I think you will likely see a chart of phone calls lined up by time and from various sources to clarify this.

 

[SleuthinNC]

There is no such thing as "voice over cable". Cable is the physical connectivity.

TWC will claim that it's different from VoIP, but that's because they are trying to justify the fact that their price is higher than the other VoIP providers. The only thing unique about it is it doesn't go over the Internet, it goes over their Sonet network where they then bridge it to the PSTN. But the technology is still VoIP. If you are interested, read more about it here.

And, having VoIP has nothing to do with whether you can use "regular" phones. I've had VoIP for years and have always had normal phones and every phone in my house can be used to send/receive the VoIP calls.

So I can assure that there absolutely is Voice over Cable. It is the technology that is used on the TWC network. TWC is a cable broadband network and the system they use mimics the traditional PSTN. It is completely different than what one would consider to be a VoIP network.

 

[SleuthSayer]

I don't think there has been any testimony yet detailing BC's technical skills or knowledge has there?

My recollection (which may be incorrect) is that Brad being a VoIP expert was used as part of the justification in one or more of the search warrants to access some data on some device. I understand that that's not "testimony", but it does seem to support the prosecution/police thinking that his VoIP skills were relevant. I just don't see why they are at all relevant if there was no call on the TWC records.

 

[SleuthinNC]

You believe that there is another computer, one not mentioned in any search warrant, or any portion of trial testimony, or opening, that shows up in one of the pictures of the Cooper house?

Can you please point to that photo? Either as attached to WRAL, or at a specific point in the testimony feed?

I couldn't find it listed, shown, talked about, nor entered into evidence anywhere either. Just the thinkpad and HP Workstation in the office and MacBook in the cabinet in the family room downstairs.

 

[carolinalady]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/loca...8,_search_warrant_for_104_Wallsburg_Court.pdf

Just looking at the search warrant about the house looking for descriptions of computer equipment seized. It's #22 under items seized. There is a Dell Dimension 8300 Tower listed.

One other thing that caught my eye was # 6 that contained a black colored sports bra. I know he said black & red bra is what she normally wore (and what she was found in). So, we know she had at least one other sports bra w/ black being dominant color.

 

[sunshine05]

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Kurtz can 'claim' anything. He isn't under oath, he can't testify, he can 'claim' the sky is green... until a witness testify's to it, that's all it is.

He claimed CPD messed up with the handling of NC's cell phone. That has been confirmed in witness testimony on cross. I think the rest of the "claims" will be shown too but we just have to wait. Defense has not had their turn yet.

 

[CyberPro]

I agree with the point that opening statements are not evidence. However, there are a lot of things being posted and speculated about on these boards that are not evidence. And I think that's the point of these boards, to provide discussion and speculation. No affidavit, deposition, or news article is evidence either, until it has been entered as such in this trial. So, either we can reference everything, or just trial testimony; but it's a bit ridiculous to think we can reference everything under the moon (even things that are blatantly wrong), except for the opening statements of either the prosecution or the defense.

True, up to a point.

The affidavits, depositions were taken under oath. They might or might not be admitted in the trial, but they have evidentiary value, given that the swearing in was just as valid as if the person rendering the material were on the witness stand. Note that I omitted news articles from my list as they have no evidentiary value, and could contain errors.

If we are going to declare that sworn statements have no evidentiary value because they were outside the court, we might as well pack up and go home now, and lock the courthouse on the way out. The same oath applies to the sworn legal statements, and a person can commit perjury on the stand, but we do these things to try to reach the truth.

 

[WolfpackWoman]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/loca...8,_search_warrant_for_104_Wallsburg_Court.pdf

Just looking at the search warrant about the house looking for descriptions of computer equipment seized. It's #22 under items seized. There is a Dell Dimension 8300 Tower listed.

A Dell Dimension 8300 Tower is not a Dell PowerEdge Server.

 

[SleuthinNC]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/loca...8,_search_warrant_for_104_Wallsburg_Court.pdf

Just looking at the search warrant about the house looking for descriptions of computer equipment seized. It's #22 under items seized. There is a Dell Dimension 8300 Tower listed.

One other thing that caught my eye was # 6 that contained a black colored sports bra. I know he said black & red bra is what she normally wore (and what she was found in). So, we know she had at least one other sports bra w/ black being dominant color.

Interesting that the SW lists the Dell it but it was not part of the computer seizure testimony. Who seized it and where the heck did it go?

 

[carolinalady]

Interesting that the SW lists the Dell it but it was not part of the computer seizure testimony. Who seized it and where the heck did it go?

JA Young is the detective listed on the SW.

 

[SleuthyGal]

A Dell Dimension 8300 Tower is not a Dell PowerEdge Server.

my bad. I knew there was a Dell in the mix.

 

[NCEast]

What has been found to be inaccurate from the opening statements?

Most simply was the defense assertion that the CPD didn't follow up on leads, botched their investigation, didn't do this or that as they should have.
On Friday morning Judge Gessner used that very subject as his grounds for overruling a defense objection to the pieces of paper the detectives left on the kitchen table to be entered into evidence. He said something to the effect that "he was going to allow it into evidence because the defense had stated so many times that the CPD didn't pursue leads, evidence, etc. And this particular evidence was proof that they did, indeed, do their jobs." Not a perfect quote but the meaning is the same.

 

[sunshine05]

I think Brad made the tennis date so he's be able to say to Mike, 'well, I'm going to have to cancel, nancy is pissed at me and to pay me back, she is still out running, or what ever he might say. But the fact that nancy had plans to go to Jessica's first thing in the morning, that caught her totally off guard. I'd imagne it would have been no big deal to nancy to have to bring the girls with her. She was accustomed to caring for the girls while she did other stuff. They could play with Jessica's children.

A couple of things -
Brad made the tennis plans, initiated by MH the night of the 11th in NC's presence at the party. Even JA said NC would not have been bringing the kids to paint.

I think there is doubt that there even were painting plans for Saturday, imo. I think that is why JA didn't tell BC about them when she called. I think she called CPD and had to say something more concrete than "I called her cell and can't reach her" so she made up the paint plans to the police. I think that is why the paint plans were not in her calendar and why NC had no conflict in her mind when the tennis plans were made because she knew she would be home to watch the girls. JMO

 

[SleuthinNC]

Wait I found it. JY requested forensic exam on Dell Power Edge Server on Nov 9th. Item signed out of evidence to begin exam. Det. Ice pt 2 25:24

Not really clear when this item went into evidence.

 

[SleuthSayer]

So I can assure that there absolutely is Voice over Cable. It is the technology that is used on the TWC network. TWC is a cable broadband network and the system they use mimics the traditional PSTN. It is completely different than what one would consider to be a VoIP network.

I stated that poorly. What I meant to say is that there is no such thing as voice directly over cable. There has to be some transport layer protocol and in all cases that I am aware of, that transport layer is IP. So, it is VoIP.

It certainly is in the case of TWC as it is done with Cisco softswitches.

Almost two years ago, Time Warner selected Cisco to provide a solution that would enable delivery of the bundled Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) Digital Phone services on its cable infrastructure.