State v. Bradley Cooper 4-12-2011

[cityslick]

And if it wasn't NC, who was it and why wasn't anyone looking for *that* woman? And by the way - whoever that person was hasn't come forward even after this story exploded all over the local news. I'll let you draw your own conclusions why.

I'm surprised that the state (although their case isn't done yet) hasn't provided testimony or witnesses to state that 'yes, I was jogging in lochmere at 7am on the 12th'. Have a few of them have brown hair and slim and you already have cast doubt that these 'eyewitnesses' could of seen any one of them.

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

Thanks PSA. I've been reading for a while.

I will admit to being a tough juror for the prosecution. They will have to prove guilt. Their witnesses get no special 'weighting' just because they're testifying for the state. I've seen PD & Prosecutors lie (under oath) and railroad innocent people.

Y/wecome!

But .... DOES the pros have to *prove* guilt? Or a pretty reasonable case thereto?

 

[gracielee]

Well that certainly is unfair. She reported this while Nancy was still missing. I don't think she was looking for her 15 minutes of fame.

There were a number of sight witnesses in the Laci trial. But upon further investigation, they were deemed to be not credible. Not that they were lying, simply that other things caused them to be mistaken. I recall an elderly lady who said she saw Laci walking the dog through her window. But then as she went on, she said 'yes, her husband was watching some basket ball game or some such thing at the time, because she mentioned to him 'look at this lovely young pregnant girl.....' not exactly, but something along those lines. Some other event proved to make her *witness* not credible, because the game was the day before. Something like that anyway. Other of the sight witnesses, there was another pregnant woman, walking a dog very much like the Petersons, in the same time frame, etc. Nobody was trying to look for their 15 minutes, they were just mistaken for various reasons. In his opening, Garagos promised to 'call them all as witnesses' and then never called one of them.

 

[Just the Fax]

And if it wasn't NC, who was it and why wasn't anyone looking for *that* female runner in order to corroborate the witness's story? And by the way - whoever that person was hasn't come forward even after this story exploded all over the local news. I'll let you draw your own conclusions why.

I doubt you know of all the rebuttal witnesses the state has lined up. The very person this lady actually saw may well testify if need be.

 

[Palomine]

Great we will get to see defense parade people in to Testify they are certain they saw Nancy jogging on the morning she disappeared...that will be a twist ...because Defense usually argue against eyewitness testimony saying it is NOT reliable

 

[gracielee]

gracie! Stop it! You're transporting me straight back to Scott P and those "cobbled stones under the Eiffel Tower..." days. Me thinks we're going to find out BC was ... maybe a little bit MORE in touch with Mz French College Escapade than has been made known to date. If so, that might be a real "blow-out" factor!

Ugh. Oh why oh why do I see the DNA of Mark Hacking, OJ, J Young, Abrao, Chris Longo, Peterson S; Peterson M, Peterson D, Anne Marie Fahey (Wilmington), Eira Einhorn, Cauruth ... all over this. The list is endless. Killed by greedy, hateful, revengeful, zealous, spurned or insecure spouses, lovers or dates!

Freakin scary... IMHO, BC is but another nut in this peanut cluster.

Remember McKenzie in the background, barking, while scott was on the phone with amber, describing new years eve in paris to her? She ask's 'is that a dog barking?' to which scott replies, 'I'm going to kill that dog', something along those lines. :crazy:

Did you see the other 'brad' I located, killed his wife, three sons, & mother and dumped them along the n.c. coast, on fire? I see our brad as a possible family annihilator, like Bradford Bishop. That's what I thought of when nancy's dad testifed about brad dreaming he saw three bodies. Thank goodness it was just nancy and not those babies too.

 

[Lori59]

There were a number of sight witnesses in the Laci trial. But upon further investigation, they were deemed to be not credible. Not that they were lying, simply that other things caused them to be mistaken. I recall an elderly lady who said she saw Laci walking the dog through her window. But then as she went on, she said 'yes, her husband was watching some basket ball game or some such thing at the time, because she mentioned to him 'look at this lovely young pregnant girl.....' not exactly, but something along those lines. Some other event proved to make her *witness* not credible, because the game was the day before. Something like that anyway. Other of the sight witnesses, there was another pregnant woman, walking a dog very much like the Petersons, in the same time frame, etc. Nobody was trying to look for their 15 minutes, they were just mistaken for various reasons. In his opening, Garagos promised to 'call them all as witnesses' and then never called one of them.

Eye witness accounts have been proven unreliable time after time, case after case. For me even on a personal note...I posted earlier in this case about me and two other friends coming out after eating and a car speeding up and stopped right in front of us and a guy jumped out and ran......the cops questioned us as to his description because they had caught the suspect and we all gave various descriptions...I was right there. So many cases someone says they saw a person and then it comes out that the person was deceased at the time of the siting. JMO

 

[gracielee]

I'm surprised that the state (although their case isn't done yet) hasn't provided testimony or witnesses to state that 'yes, I was jogging in lochmere at 7am on the 12th'. Have a few of them have brown hair and slim and you already have cast doubt that these 'eyewitnesses' could of seen any one of them.

Rebuttal.

 

[TigerBalm]

Great we will get to see defense parade people in to Testify they are certain they saw Nancy jogging on the morning she disappeared...that will be a twist ...because Defense usually argue against eyewitness testimony saying it is NOT reliable

If they even put on a defense...

 

[PolkSaladAnnie]

The TOS only mentions family members of the victims. It doesn't say this for other witnesses.

No need to necessarily turn this into an argument. When the courts rule ....so W/S rules. Salem came in and asked us very nicely NOT to mention, refer to, link (etc) any witness that the Judge has requested anonymity over. Plain, simple and effective. Don't go there...

Majority of posters respect the rights of W/S else they wouldn't be here. Simple. And yes, of course I'll stand up for W/S ... it's been my Crime Home and Library for nearly a decade and .... we certainly don't want it spoiled or shut. That I've only made say 3K posts is irrelevant.

If there are "names" out there, great. Bring them here in the initial form, with a link. Easy.

Just sayin, Annie

 

[RobT]

If they even put on a defense...

I personally am not convinced in the least that they will... or if they do it will not be a long drawn out one.

 

[jmflu]

I think given this website and the testimony regarding the fathers losing their children, blah blah blah I think the prosecution really messed up trying to use money as the motive. Had they gone after fear of losing his children as the motive I think they would have had a lot more to stand on.

Unfortunately, they relied too much on stories that appear to be more exaggeration than anything rather than going for the more believable story that actually had some kind of potential evidence to back it up.

He told Nancy she could move to Canada with the children. She was going to leave and take the kids... And he was fine with it!

Then when he saw how much the divorce was going to cost, he changed his mind.

 

[Skittles]

wral WRAL NEWS in NC
FBI agent: Brad looked @ Wachovia account, which hadn't been accessed online since 2006. Brad's acct: $300+. Nancy's: 90 cents.

Sorry for this far back reference, but I just caught up on today's posts.

In BC's deposition he said (I'm paraphrasing) that there is a Wachovia checking account in his name and his paycheck is deposited there. It used to be deposited to a joint account until February, 2008 when it was closed and a new one opened in BC's name. Balance (as of time of depo) was $10,000 from his bonus that was just paid.

Additionally he and NC had another joint account at Wachovia that he thinks was a checking account. It had not been used in the prior two years and had a balance of $0.90.

There was another account for his daughter B.

He didn't refer to any account as Nancy's.

 

[Palomine]

If they even put on a defense...

I see the Defense making a motion to dismiss
denied
Defense believing they proved their case through cross...rests

 

[Palomine]

Sorry for this far back reference, but I just caught up on today's posts.

In BC's deposition he said (I'm paraphrasing) that there is a Wachovia checking account in his name and his paycheck is deposited there. It used to be deposited to a joint account until February, 2008 when the was closed and a new one opened in BC's name. Balance (as of time of depo) was $10,000 from his bonus that was just paid.

Additionally he and NC had another joint account at Wachovia that he thinks was a checking account. It had not been used in the prior two years and had a balance of $0.90.

There was another account for his daughter B.

He didn't refer to any account as Nancy's.

if his paychecks were being deposited in that account I am fairly certain he would have accessed it (online) more frequently than 2006

 

[sunshine05]

Regarding initials, it probably is fine to write out their names, as long as they are not the ones working undercover. I personally prefer to use initials because there are comments I want to make about them in relation to this case, but if someone searches for them by name, I don't want my link to appear (and it would). The reason I feel it's a good idea to be careful about this is because we are only speculating about various things they may have done in this case. If I was a witness, I would hope that others would show that same respect.

 

[cityslick]

He told Nancy she could move to Canada with the children. She was going to leave and take the kids... And he was fine with it!

Then when he saw how much the divorce was going to cost, he changed his mind.

You're going to have to find me a guy that would initially agree to that first draft of the separation agreement, no questions asked. At the very least there would need to be mediation, which means she couldn't of left until an agreement was found.

 

[iucpa]

Holy moly. Has this petition been referred to yet on WS? Very interesting, starting on page 61...

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/news_briefs/2011/02/17/9132146/coopermotion.PDF

 

[ncsu95]

There were a number of sight witnesses in the Laci trial. But upon further investigation, they were deemed to be not credible. Not that they were lying, simply that other things caused them to be mistaken. I recall an elderly lady who said she saw Laci walking the dog through her window. But then as she went on, she said 'yes, her husband was watching some basket ball game or some such thing at the time, because she mentioned to him 'look at this lovely young pregnant girl.....' not exactly, but something along those lines. Some other event proved to make her *witness* not credible, because the game was the day before. Something like that anyway. Other of the sight witnesses, there was another pregnant woman, walking a dog very much like the Petersons, in the same time frame, etc. Nobody was trying to look for their 15 minutes, they were just mistaken for various reasons. In his opening, Garagos promised to 'call them all as witnesses' and then never called one of them.

The unfair part was "wannabe witness" as if this woman was looking for attention.

 

[ohiogirl]

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/nancycooper/story/9426892/

Kurtz also claims that their client's computer was tampered and that the Internet history files were changed after Cary police seized it.

Come on, I am really not buying it that LE tamperd with his computer to frame him. That is way weak, imo.