State v Bradley Cooper 4-13-11

[johnfear]

Interesting to now look back with what we know from today's testimony.

Brad did have access to equip that would allow him to spoof a call on July 12th and he did discard the equip since it wasn't in his office when police arrived late afternoon July 12.

Brad cell phone was pinging on the tower closest to where his wife's body was found on the morning of July 12.

Brad left those two little girls alone while he ran his little errands to the store twice and to dump their mother's body in the exact place he was searching on work work computer the day before.

Brad got rid of clothing and shoes of his. He grabbed two right shoes of Nancy's, thinking it was a pair. Ooops.

Brad discarded some items from the front foyer of the house, items which were seen by a witness the day before.

Brad didn't know about painting plans yet he went to Lowe's on Fri July 12 and bought a dropcloth but later claims in his deposition he doesn't remember if he stopped anywhere on his way to work. He didn't mention this visit to detectives either. He doesn't get into work until 11am or so. Lowe's at 9:30am. Was Brad looking at possible dump sites in person after Lowes and before he got to the office?

We now know Brad had murder on his mind on Fri July 11. It's possible he had been contemplating getting rid of Nancy for some months.

Though the jury does not know this, we know Brad searched and bookmarked a suicide site in Feb 2008 (it came from alt.suicide.??? as shown on the overhead in court on Tues). The site talked about asphyxiation. He transferred this site when he updated his computer software and the site was in the newest bookmarks as well.

The strange lists Brad made that Nancy and HP found and thought might be signaling something like suicidal thoughts doesn't seem so farfetched now. Suicide turned to homicide in the end.

We know Brad was doing searches on the Mac Nancy used the morning of July 12. Jobs in Canada, flight info Canada. Sure looks like things Nancy might search for. Nancy was the one who was trying to move back to Canada, get a job, and start a new life.

We know Brad was secretly getting copies of all Nancy's email from April 7, 2008 and on. He saw what she was planning and thinking about.

Shhhhh. You'll give away the ending. (AND G, I think it was alt.suicide.holiday and had something about ASH methodology or something there)

 

[5bigfish5]

I've been away 3.5 hours and I see we're still in "blame everyone BUT Bradley" mode.

I agree, BUT there are NO winners here. Period!

 

[SleuthinNC]

In keeping with the go with your gut feeling. I am an engineer so yes I want hard facts and evidence but my gut also tells me that something about the stories and the way things are not matching up is wrong.

Also, for those that say BC acted like a murderer, this was a domestic violence case etc., and those on the fence or even with SODDI theories don't get that I will say that I personally know somebody who did go into a rage and beat his girlfriend to death in their home. I also saw that person the next day acting as if nothing was wrong prior to the body being found. I was also interrogated by the police about this person, his behavior and ultimately helped the police actually find him before he fled the country. So yes I get it. I know how murderers act when trying to not look suspicious, I know how cops act when trying to get information about murder suspects.

Something about this investigation and the stories around it just don't ring true. Maybe I am wrong and hopefully the prosecution has more than a suspiciously conspicuously obvious web search to prove it.

 

[NCEast]

Pretty sure that TWW and WS made the wral news tonite. (The judge be mad at us)

Isn't it funny that TECHNOLOGY is the thing that all of us are so excited about on this case and he's banning TECHNOLOGY from the court room?

I get a kick out of that.

And JTF, I am not retracting the possibilities I have posed. I agree this is a smoker, indeed. Ask them which one of them was dialing out on his phone? (Maybe one of their men?)

Hi Judge! Can we rub your head for luck? (JIC)

JF, you and your thought processes intrigue me to no end. And I enjoy your sense of humor

 

[water_dancing]

I have seen it too. Maybe we should try to get the laws changed to protect the women and children who leave. Some of NC's laws are antiquated.

I completely agree. I also would like to see a change to federal immigration law so that no other parent needs to be in the difficult position NC was in. There needs to be a work visa program in effect for those going through divorce/custody issues.

 

[justcuriousnc]

It was last week. A coworker was on the stand - he went to lunch with BC and 3 other engineers. Said BC took a cell phone call away from the table of guys at lunch. He went outside for a long period to talk on the phone and it struck the coworker as odd since they don't lunch frequently.

Thank you!

 

[Just the Fax]

Pretty sure that TWW and WS made the wral news tonite. (The judge be mad at us)

Isn't it funny that TECHNOLOGY is the thing that all of us are so excited about on this case and he's banning TECHNOLOGY from the court room?

I get a kick out of that.

And JTF, I am not retracting the possibilities I have posed. I agree this is a smoker, indeed. Ask them which one of them was dialing out on his phone? (Maybe one of their men?)

Hi Judge! Can we rub your head for luck? (JIC)

Ok, so you are still thinking a neighbor may be the real killer and there was a conspiracy to include a wireless network hack to frame poor, innocent Brad?:noooo:

 

[johnfear]

JF, you and your thought processes intrigue me to no end. And I enjoy your sense of humor

:woohoo:

HE about jumped off the bench when he realized that basically what was being said was coming out of the witnesses mouths and spewing on the internet.

You would have thought somebody had told him Kurtz was requesting to produce a kitten from Boz's hat. (And actually trying to say they could do it, then and there)

Almost as good as the argument this morning about the Feebs.

Seriously? This judge is like HUH? on almost all of the techno-gibberish. He wanted the prosecution to just walk over and hand the defense the MFT data so they would shut up. Although, I think that evidence will be chucked on appeal (seriously) it was interesting to see something landmark hit the books.

 

[CrimeAddict]

Do you really think he placed her body in the trunk w/ no wrapping:waitasec:
Like I said, the trunk was immaculate...pristine...recently vacuumed and obviously spit shined. The rest of the car was trashed with debris and normal hair / fibers you would expect.
I rest my case.:smile:

I have a feeling he bought 2 tarps, one with a credit card and then one with cash! Another thing for him to toss in the dumpster, no biggie for him.

 

[NCEast]

In keeping with the go with your gut feeling. I am an engineer so yes I want hard facts and evidence but my gut also tells me that something about the stories and the way things are not matching up is wrong.

Also, for those that say BC acted like a murderer, this was a domestic violence case etc., and those on the fence or even with SODDI theories don't get that I will say that I personally know somebody who did go into a rage and beat his girlfriend to death in their home. I also saw that person the next day acting as if nothing was wrong prior to the body being found. I was also interrogated by the police about this person, his behavior and ultimately helped the police actually find him before he fled the country. So yes I get it. I know how murderers act when trying to not look suspicious, I know how cops act when trying to get information about murder suspects.

Something about this investigation and the stories around it just don't ring true. Maybe I am wrong and hopefully the prosecution has more than a suspiciously conspicuously obvious web search to prove it.

I understand where you are coming from. I hope the state has more hard evidence--something in addition to the site search. I have felt all along that Brad did it, but I am not comfortable with the site search being the 'only' evidence the state can produce.
I'm sorry you have first hand experience with a situation like this. Must have been difficult for you, although you did the right thing by helping LE find your friend.

 

[sunshine05]

Why didn't the state inform the defense of the type of method (ie. forensic tool kit) the FBI used to extract the data from BC's computer? The state asserts it is due to FBI security issues but it sounds like these methods are available to the public, not top secret FBI specific extraction tools. I understand Kurtz's argument that he needs this information to cross because it has to match the method the FBI used. Any thoughts?

 

[cody100]

In keeping with the go with your gut feeling. I am an engineer so yes I want hard facts and evidence but my gut also tells me that something about the stories and the way things are not matching up is wrong.

Also, for those that say BC acted like a murderer, this was a domestic violence case etc., and those on the fence or even with SODDI theories don't get that I will say that I personally know somebody who did go into a rage and beat his girlfriend to death in their home. I also saw that person the next day acting as if nothing was wrong prior to the body being found. I was also interrogated by the police about this person, his behavior and ultimately helped the police actually find him before he fled the country. So yes I get it. I know how murderers act when trying to not look suspicious, I know how cops act when trying to get information about murder suspects.

Something about this investigation and the stories around it just don't ring true. Maybe I am wrong and hopefully the prosecution has more than a suspiciously conspicuously obvious web search to prove it.

Just curious, what about this case doesn't ring true to you? Some of it didn't make sense to me either, but today's info helped greatly. Of course, the prosecution is not through yetl.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I understand where you are coming from. I hope the state has more hard evidence--something in addition to the site search. I have felt all along that Brad did it, but I am not comfortable with the site search being the 'only' evidence the state can produce.
I'm sorry you have first hand experience with a situation like this. Must have been difficult for you, although you did the right thing by helping LE find your friend.

Heck yeah I helped, the police thought I may have been in danger since he had been to my house after the murder but before they let me in on that info they definitely treated me as if I were an aiding and abetting suspect. He wasn't actually a friend, he was a co-worker of mine and good friend of one of my best friends.

 

[Madeleine74]

I can't believe the judge is so clueless about basic technology that he doesn't understand that just because the cameras aren't on, it doesn't mean information, once presented in court, doesn't get out to people.

Does he not have a cell phone? Does he not understand messages can be sent through texts? Does he not understand by now that cell phones can browse the web?

He was furious about leaks. These aren't leaks. There was testimony in open court and then the info was getting out to the world within a few minutes. A leak is if information about the case is communicated before it's ever presented in court. That is a leak.

Someone needs to tap the judge on the shoulder and let him know this is the 21st century.

 

[5bigfish5]

I still have this gut feeling that NC had started to stash money away and had hoarded some money. I believe her parents would have gotten money to her SOMEHOW, if even through HP or JA or DD, but I think that little stash of cash NC was probably trying to hoard went right into BC's pocket in the early morning hours of 7/12.

I think her parents would have moved heaven and earth..had they known.

Face it, it is a crap shoot when one's OWN marries another one. Mr. Rentz was forthright on the stand and even then...... LOOKED to Brad for answers. I cried like a baby.

 

[SleuthSayer]

Nancy's email account did have a password. And it appears Brad knew what that password was. It was likely setup when they first got RR established and the marriage was intact at that time. Whether Nancy ever changed her email password is unknown. Ultimately Brad knew what the password was and he was able to access the email settings on the RR webmail service and secretly add himself to get a forwarded copy of all emails coming in.

Maybe an attempt to explain how Road Runner e-mail accounts work would help clarify. When you first get TWC Road Runner, on the copy of the contract they give you is a userid and password for the RR account. The userid will be something like the first few letters of the account holder's last name and then a bunch of numbers. So, something like SMIT39284089. That userid is essentially the administrator/owner for the account.

Now, if you wanted, you could give all your friends [email protected] as your e-mail address, but most people want something more memorable than that. So, RR lets the administrator log on to the account management system and create any e-mail address they like (providing no other RR user has picked that one).

So, you log on to Acct Mgmt with SMIT39284089 and it's password and go in to a page where you create a e-mail account. So, you create something like [email protected]. (Assuming no one already had that one.) You specify any password that you like for [email protected]. That password that you specified is now what you use to get e-mail sent to [email protected].

Now, suppose your wife Mary also wants an account. You go to that same page and create another account. Maybe you call it [email protected]. You give Mary any password you/she pick. Then, she can get her e-mail with that password.

RR lets you create 8 (I think) such e-mail addresses. So, if you want to give your kids e-mail accounts, for instance, you can do that.

Now, in BC and NC's case, I would assume that BC knew NC's password because he probably created the account for her. Since he was the techie one, I would imagine that he is the one who logged in with the administrator password and did that. To my knowledge, the only person who can change the created accounts' passwords is the administrator, who was most likely BC.

So unless he created the account and in the box where you specify the password for it, he let her type one in and not tell him what it was, he surely would know the password.

 

[NCEast]

:woohoo:

HE about jumped off the bench when he realized that basically what was being said was coming out of the witnesses mouths and spewing on the internet.

You would have thought somebody had told him Kurtz was requesting to produce a kitten from Boz's hat. (And actually trying to say they could do it, then and there)

Almost as good as the argument this morning about the Feebs.

Seriously? This judge is like HUH? on almost all of the techno-gibberish. He wanted the prosecution to just walk over and hand the defense the MFT data so they would shut up. Although, I think that evidence will be chucked on appeal (seriously) it was interesting to see something landmark hit the books.

In watching the live feed of Kurtz's early morning motion I could read Judge Gessner's face several times and saw that he was overwhelmed. I felt for him, and really like him. It's not the type of evidence many people would understand on a typical day. A few of his facial expressions were priceless.

 

[LyndyLoo]

I have a feeling he bought 2 tarps, one with a credit card and then one with cash! Another thing for him to toss in the dumpster, no biggie for him.

Never thought of that CA...It's entirely possible..and could have been done anytime after the fact...BUT I dont think they need to prove that fact at this point..Given all the missing and lost pieces Shoes, Router, FXO, his shoes, and foyer items..I have no doubt IF he did use that drop cloth, and replaced it >the used one got dumped with the rest of the other things :banghead:

 

[SleuthinNC]

Just curious, what about this case doesn't ring true to you? Some of it didn't make sense to me either, but today's info helped greatly. Of course, the prosecution is not through yetl.

Where was NC on Thursday? Why didn't her friends know about the realtor? Was she getting money from whoever she was with on Thursday? Could the Thursday person be a suspect. I have an idea of who that person is and why they could be a suspect. But why then are the stories from the friends being told?

 

[NCEast]

Why didn't the state inform the defense of the type of method (ie. forensic tool kit) the FBI used to extract the data from BC's computer? The state asserts it is due to FBI security issues but it sounds like these methods are available to the public, not top secret FBI specific extraction tools. I understand Kurtz's argument that he needs this information to cross because it has to match the method the FBI used. Any thoughts?

My take was that the FBI used a very secretive tool that is not readily available. I recall Zell using the analogy that if the technology was released that child folks could use it to delete/change/alter their own files. I also recall that Zell argued that it had never been available in any other court cases so why should the FBI make it available to this one, or something along those lines. Don't know if I understood it all or not.