State v Bradley Cooper 4-13-11

[sunshine05]

I just listened to the only part taped this am on the Defense asking for the MFT output from the FBI, which would differ if Defense ran their tools to get it, so he could cross them. The Judge looked like it as all over his head, and the Pros was double talking, trying to say it was National Security. No one asked for procedures of the FBI, they asked for the output. What bothers me is that our government should not have this much power over its citizens that they can say something and you just have to accept it is true without you being allowed to review it, or the output they are using to say you did something. I think this is still the USA and not the USSA.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin, 1755 (Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, Tue, Nov 11, 1755)

One of my favorite quotes!

I think the judge should have taken this up in his chambers with lawyers, both sides and the FBI witness to get an understanding of this thing, instead of worrying about the jury being back there for too long. Why risk grounds for appeal? JMO, but I think Kurtz was within his right to be able to extract the data with the same method the FBI used to compare apples to apples. This is way too important.


ETA: I wonder if they could have even kept the information from public records (the extraction tool used) in this situation. They should have been able to get around this top secret security thing so that both sides understood their methods.

 

[SleuthSayer]

I just listened to the only part taped this am on the Defense asking for the MFT output from the FBI, which would differ if Defense ran their tools to get it, so he could cross them. The Judge looked like it as all over his head, and the Pros was double talking, trying to say it was National Security. No one asked for procedures of the FBI, they asked for the output.

I just posted something about this. I think that it is a bit of a Hail Mary attempt for the defense and wouldn't make any difference to the outcome of the case, but I do think that the prosecution was deliberately trying to conflate the two points.

 

[Star12]

I am still of the belief that it was due to the 'other' group of people in the courtroom today. Especially since reading that WRAL had somebody talking to the judge about reconsidering or whatever. It's too coincidental that the jury complained about being stared it, the judge's ire, the judge's ruling that no more laptops or cell phones will be allowed, and that 'group' of other posters who had planned to be there today to support Brad. I think it's all related.

1.There was NO "group of other posters" there today. especially no group from GOLO. Has anyone said there was a group there? NOPE. There was not.

2.The jury did not complain about anyone specifically, and that request that they not be stared at was first order of business.

3.There is a HUGE sign at the doorway saying NO cell phones. Yes the judge was angry.

 

[less0305]

Going to bed now and savor the day. No one is going to ruin the "told you so" moment that happened today. It's been there all along. It's as plain as the nose on your face. Kurtz is doing what he's been paid to do - his best to create a diversion. He can have kitten caboodles all over that courtroom and enlist his aids to flood the media social sites and boards to do their best to intimate and create a ruckus... but in the end, all he's got is smoke and mirrors. He sits beside a murderer. IMO.

 

[dgfred]

Until I am shown evidence that proves it was not her, I believe it was her. No, I don't think he spoofed it. I don't think he did a search on Fielding Drive either once you read comments of what was actually said in the court today. All the witness said was it appeared to be Fielding Drive when questioned, despite some news sites on air reports.

But I thought it was said that he 'zoomed' in on the area of Fielding?

 

[jmflu]

Well, I enjoyed sharing the smoking gun moment with everyone today!! We finally have what we've been waiting years for and I wish I could hug those of you who have become comrades. It was a very exciting day and I see justice for Nancy. No one can take that from us... No argument or fanatical disbelief can make us feel diminished in our gut feelings and steadfast beliefs now.

. G'night!

 

[SleuthinNC]

If there is nothing potentially damaging to the prosecution allegation that a web search was done on July 11th and or exculpatory in other ways why are they fighting so hard to keep the data output from the FBI investigation from getting to the defense?

 

[Just the Fax]

I know. These loose ends are the reason I was so convinced of his innocence. That and the lack of evidence and the state providing days and days of non-evidence.

I still wonder why she never told anyone BUT the RE agent of her plans to move ASAP and coming into money soon. Very, very strange. And no one knows where she was getting the money.

And now BC, a Cisco engineer doing something so foolish just seems so hard to comprehend. I still think there is a chance he looked at the site on the 15th, after she was found to see where it was and the date was changed but we'll see.

How many cases have there been where computer evidence nails the criminal? That's why all along when people suggested the Fielding drive searches I dismissed it because no one would be that stupid.

Also, I still wonder about the phone call. I think a live person made that call.

1- Scott Peterson
2- Mike Peterson
3- Drew Peterson

 

[dramamama]

Another thought I had...and this relates to a post from last weekend I think, and I am sorry I cannot remember who shared the info from the book eraser killers. I previewed a few pages on amazon, and the author says that these killers are successful in fooling people because they know the intimate routines and have access to everything about their partners. Their MO is to create a story, in this case it is the scorned lover, or van of crazies, who kill her while she was jogging. And then in the meantime, they erase all the evidence. When LE follow the "story" as a lead, and usually this is after a 48 hour window, the real killer will have had plenty of time to cover their tracks. So by the time the police finally clue in to the real story, they have lost a significant time frame to collect evidence.
i think BC was so glued to his "story", which was that he and wife were reconciling, and she went running and disappeared, that when JA came in and foibled with the plan, and was adamant they were in the middle of a messy divorce, BC should have changed plans. It would have been smarter to admit the divorce, but instead, he stuck with the story of reconciliation, and this is probably the first big clue that CPD picked up on. If it weren't for that big inconsistency right away, who knows what would have happened.

This is all speculative....just thinking out loud.

 

[sunshine05]

1- Scott Peterson
2- Mike Peterson
3- Drew Peterson

Right, just to name a few. I'm sure there are many, many cases where computer evidence is used. So why would he do this?

 

[Star12]

Until I am shown evidence that proves it was not her, I believe it was her. No, I don't think he spoofed it. I don't think he did a search on Fielding Drive either once you read comments of what was actually said in the court today. All the witness said was it appeared to be Fielding Drive when questioned, despite some news sites on air reports.

It definitely was Fielding Drive, and beautifully demonstrated to the jury by the witness.

 

[Palomine]

I missed it tonight, that really annoys me.

don't you have time shift? it was really good tonight

 

[Cheyenne130]

If there is nothing potentially damaging to the prosecution allegation that a web search was done on July 11th and or exculpatory in other ways why are they fighting so hard to keep the data output from the FBI investigation from getting to the defense?

I don't think that's what's happening. Based on what was argued today the defense has the output. They have the copy of the hard drive to do their own analysis. They want how it was done so they can cross using their own analysis that matches how the FBI analyzed it. And they threw in the files that have invalid time stamps to make it seem that much more sinister. I don't see how the evidence that came out today can be negated except with the use of smoke and mirrors. MOO

 

[Cheyenne130]

Right, just to name a few. I'm sure there are many, many cases where computer evidence is used. So why would he do this?

Maybe he thought he was smarter than them.

 

[garner_nc]

From the tweet…The witness stated that the zoomed in tile “appeared” to be Fielding Dr.

Did the State actually show the zoomed in image? Or did he just state he found a piece of land (Tile) that “appeared” to be Fielding?

When I google map the 27518 zip code, it is at an altitude of about 10 miles up, so the tiles in the “TIF” include that geographic area. - not centered on FD.

If I zoom in by ONE, the geographic area decreases and eventually I can zoom into a spot as if I am about 100 yards above the ground and then it can switch to street view.

I had to zoom in 4 to 5 clicks just to make out “empty lots” in the area.

How zoomed in was the picture from the TIF ? Was it 5 miles up or 100 yards up ?

I think that makes a difference how much he zoomed in. Otherwise, the initial map that is loaded is too high up to make out any details on the map. Even zooming in a couple of clicks does not make the map readable.

We are assuming he zoomed down to the street view, but unless they showed the picture, how do we know what the State is calling a "zoomed" in view of FD?

 

[Danielle59]

Do you really think he placed her body in the trunk w/ no wrapping:waitasec:
Like I said, the trunk was immaculate...pristine...recently vacuumed and obviously spit shined. The rest of the car was trashed with debris and normal hair / fibers you would expect.
I rest my case.:smile:

So where is the wrapping? He was that neat that nothing got on anything? When did he clean and vaccum the car that night? How come no one saw him do it? There must be someone somewhere that saw something? You think he left the girls home alone all those hours to do this immaculant cleaning job, hide a body in a muddy area where no one noticed his car. Just the nosy neighbors, no one saw him pull out of the garage and drive away from the house with her body? There are too many ifs. I think you lost your case.

 

[Cheyenne130]

From the tweet…The witness stated that the zoomed in tile “appeared” to be Fielding Dr.

Did the State actually show the zoomed in image? Or did he just state he found a piece of land (Tile) that “appeared” to be Fielding?

When I google map the 27518 zip code, it is at an altitude of about 10 miles up, so the tiles in the “TIF” include that geographic area. - not centered on FD.

If I zoom in by ONE, the geographic area decreases and eventually I can zoom into a spot as if I am about 100 yards above the ground and then it can switch to street view.

I had to zoom in 4 to 5 clicks just to make out “empty lots” in the area.

How zoomed in was the picture from the TIF ? Was it 5 miles up or 100 yards up ?

I think that makes a difference how much he zoomed in. Otherwise, the initial map that is loaded is too high up to make out any details on the map. Even zooming in a couple of clicks does not make the map readable.

We are assuming he zoomed down to the street view, but unless they showed the picture, how do we know what the State is calling a "zoomed" in view of FD?

Might that have been different if you zoomed in on that in 2008?

 

[sunshine05]

I don't think that's what's happening. Based on what was argued today the defense has the output. They have the copy of the hard drive to do their own analysis. They want how it was done so they can cross using their own analysis that matches how the FBI analyzed it. And they threw in the files that have invalid time stamps to make it seem that much more sinister. I don't see how the evidence that came out today can be negated except with the use of smoke and mirrors. MOO

The only thing that I still question is, can you record when a screen is zoomed in on? Is that a fact or did they just pull up google maps with that zip and say "yes Fielding Drive shows up on that map"? It's so unclear because we didn't get to hear any of the testimony. We are in the dark on this one, the most important part of this case so far! News articles from WRAL don't cut if for me.

 

[Palomine]

http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2011/04/13/17986096.html

 

[Cheyenne130]

The only thing that I still question is, can you record when a screen is zoomed in on? Is that a fact or did they just pull up google maps with that zip and say "yes Fielding Drive shows up on that map"? It's so unclear because we didn't get to hear any of the testimony. We are in the dark on this one, the most important part of this case so far! News articles from WRAL don't cut if for me.

I agree and definitely feel your frustration. I just have to keep telling myself that it doesn't matter what I hear and understand. The jury has all the votes. From the limited info we got, I understood that the temporary internet files allowed them to see exactly what was done and the "zoomed" flie was one of those temporary files.

On another note, I remember seeing somewhere that there was a subpoena for Google so maybe they got something directly from their servers. (I sort of hope not. I like tech stuff and even I don't think I can take any more!!!)