State v Bradley Cooper 4-13-11

[Just the Fax]

Reflecting on the end of the day.....
4/13/11 will go down as a major victory for the state and the Rentz family in their quest for ultimate justice for Nancy.

:seeya: Goodnight everyone

 

[SleuthinNC]

I don't think that's what's happening. Based on what was argued today the defense has the output. They have the copy of the hard drive to do their own analysis. They want how it was done so they can cross using their own analysis that matches how the FBI analyzed it. And they threw in the files that have invalid time stamps to make it seem that much more sinister. I don't see how the evidence that came out today can be negated except with the use of smoke and mirrors. MOO

No what was argued today was that the defense has the actual drive itself. Defense asked for the output not the procedures. Prosecution is not giving up the procedures nor the output. There is no reason to hide the output other than you don't want the defense and court to see what is there. They are trying to cross with the output created by the FBI which they do not have.

It's like the prosecution said here are all the ingredients make this cake. The recipe is secret and you can't taste the cake but you can ask our bakers questions about our cake but only using your cake as your reference.

Are the cakes the same?

 

[FullDisclosure]

From the tweet…The witness stated that the zoomed in tile “appeared” to be Fielding Dr.

Did the State actually show the zoomed in image? Or did he just state he found a piece of land (Tile) that “appeared” to be Fielding?

When I google map the 27518 zip code, it is at an altitude of about 10 miles up, so the tiles in the “TIF” include that geographic area. - not centered on FD.

If I zoom in by ONE, the geographic area decreases and eventually I can zoom into a spot as if I am about 100 yards above the ground and then it can switch to street view.

I had to zoom in 4 to 5 clicks just to make out “empty lots” in the area.

How zoomed in was the picture from the TIF ? Was it 5 miles up or 100 yards up ?

I think that makes a difference how much he zoomed in. Otherwise, the initial map that is loaded is too high up to make out any details on the map. Even zooming in a couple of clicks does not make the map readable.

We are assuming he zoomed down to the street view, but unless they showed the picture, how do we know what the State is calling a "zoomed" in view of FD?

I was there. (Remember that big THUD you heard this afternoon?) It was Fielding Dr.

The witness for this testimony was very well spoken and to the point. He boiled down difficult techo-speak for the jury and made it simple to understand. In a nutshell, Brad had to manipulate the map to get over Fielding Dr. and then zoom in several times. I do NOT think the defense will argue that it is not Fielding Dr.

ETA--The way they showed the "zooming in" was to re-create the search on a clean computer. They went through the steps to see what had to be done to get to that image on google maps. They had it all on a power point presentation.

 

[Albert]

I don't think that I ever said all cops were criminals, or that criminals were at anytime saints, so I have no idea what land you are talking about. I am just glad that public lynching is out of style. Are you telling me you don't believe in justice? I am more than happy to debate my comments if you want to debate them, but your remarks above are just subjective mockery.

Fair enough. I have very little experience in how trials work and have had interest in just 2 trials, oj and this trial. The reason for my interest in this trial is that I have very a career that is very much the same as BC, I work in RTP and I have a have a young family.

Due to the similar nature of careers the phone evidence has been very intriguing to me. I have posted several detailed responses to both the cell phone activity of BC on 7/12 and the calls to his work on 7/12. These calls are very suspicious based upon what BC said about the calls in his deposition. Till proven otherwise I will believe that a cell phone call with a seizure time of 1 second implies a call that was answered by a voicemail system without ringing the cell phone. The 6:05am call on 7/12, the call that was explained by BC as a means to locate his misplaced cell phone, had a seizure time of 1 second and a duration of 23 seconds. I don't see how it is possible that he located his cell phone in this case. Your spouse is missing, you admit that you are worried yet you don't answer your cell phone when it is called.

The calls to Cisco on 7/12 appear to be work related till you look at the details of those calls. How do you suppose that if BC was testing any issues related to VoiceMail system that he simply tested this with by forwarding a vm from one system to the other. There is evidence that the forwarded vm was not even listened to. Yet we are to believe that he was working on some upgrade issue?

I apologize for being snippy. I have deleted more posts than I have sent because I simply as I don't like or want to come across in this manner. Sometimes I fail. Anyway, I would really like to hear your opinion of these phone calls. Lastly, I don't believe I have lynch mob mentality. To a newbie on this forum that may appear to be the case.

 

[Cheyenne130]

No what was argued today was that the defense has the actual drive itself. Defense asked for the output not the procedures. Prosecution is not giving up the procedures nor the output. There is no reason to hide the output other than you don't want the defense and court to see what is there. They are trying to cross with the output created by the FBI which they do not have.

It's like the prosecution said here are all the ingredients make this cake. The recipe is secret and you can't taste the cake but you can ask our bakers questions about our cake but only using your cake as your reference.

Are the cakes the same?

I understood that they have the report from the analysis. They can't give the actual analysis without having them there to witness the analysis or give them the tools to do the analysis themselves. When the tool is run on the drive it analyzes and produces the report. They have the report, they want the analysis. That's what it sounded like to me from the video argument.

 

[Star12]

The only thing that I still question is, can you record when a screen is zoomed in on? Is that a fact or did they just pull up google maps with that zip and say "yes Fielding Drive shows up on that map"? It's so unclear because we didn't get to hear any of the testimony. We are in the dark on this one, the most important part of this case so far! News articles from WRAL don't cut if for me.

No, they used the actual images from Google Earth as accessed from BC's computer. Yes they showed the zooming, in steps, and scrolled to the right to access the Fielding Drive image. BT, the Google Earth has been updated, so what you see today on Google is not the same image that BC accessed. At the time, there were no lots on Brittaby Drive. Now there is a house or two.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I understood that they have the report from the analysis. They can't give the actual analysis without having them there to witness the analysis or give them the tools to do the analysis themselves. When the tool is run on the drive it analyzes and produces the report. They have the report, they want the analysis. That's what it sounded like to me from the video argument.

They don't have the report that's what he kept saying. At one point the Judge asked the prosecution if they could turn it over right now and the response was they have the drive. They are not releasing that data to the defense. Prosecution was trying to make it sound like they had the data and wanted the tool that was not the request.

 

[ncsu95]

No, they used the actual images from Google Earth as accessed from BC's computer. Yes they showed the zooming, in steps, and scrolled to the right to access the Fielding Drive image. BT, the Google Earth has been updated, so what you see today on Google is not the same image that BC accessed. At the time, there were no lots on Brittaby Drive. Now there is a house or two.

Why wouldn't they have shown the images from 2008?

 

[Albert]

So where is the wrapping? He was that neat that nothing got on anything? When did he clean and vaccum the car that night? How come no one saw him do it? There must be someone somewhere that saw something? You think he left the girls home alone all those hours to do this immaculant cleaning job, hide a body in a muddy area where no one noticed his car. Just the nosy neighbors, no one saw him pull out of the garage and drive away from the house with her body? There are too many ifs. I think you lost your case.

On the 12th the area was not muddy, the weather conditions and thus ground conditions have been discussed in the courtroom. Obviously someone will correct me if I am wrong.

 

[jmflu]

Chappell said Brad Cooper's computer would have had to zoom in to the specific location on the map to produce the history found by the FBI.

 

[SleuthinNC]

I am looking forward to defense cross tomorrow and moving on to Det. Daniels.

 

[Cheyenne130]

They don't have the report that's what he kept saying. At one point the Judge asked the prosecution if they could turn it over right now and the response was they have the drive. They are not releasing that data to the defense. Prosecution was trying to make it sound like they had the data and wanted the tool that was not the request.

I would have to listen to it again. I could have sworn that prosecution said they turned over the report and then the judge later asked if they could just give them this MFT. I don't think the MFT is a document. That seemed to be the sticking point.

 

[Danielle59]

One of my favorite quotes!

I think the judge should have taken this up in his chambers with lawyers, both sides and the FBI witness to get an understanding of this thing, instead of worrying about the jury being back there for too long. Why risk grounds for appeal? JMO, but I think Kurtz was within his right to be able to extract the data with the same method the FBI used to compare apples to apples. This is way too important.


ETA: I wonder if they could have even kept the information from public records (the extraction tool used) in this situation. They should have been able to get around this top secret security thing so that both sides understood their methods.

Thanks, I love that quote and it is so true.

I think he should have taken it up in chambers too. He is leaving so much open for appeal on this case, if not outright dismissal if there is a conviction.

 

[FullDisclosure]

They don't have the report that's what he kept saying. At one point the Judge asked the prosecution if they could turn it over right now and the response was they have the drive. They are not releasing that data to the defense. Prosecution was trying to make it sound like they had the data and wanted the tool that was not the request.

That's the way I heard it, too. Defense just wanted their report, so Kurtz could use it to go line by line in his questions and not be using another report in a different form that the witness wasn't familiar with.

 

[Star12]

Why wouldn't they have shown the images from 2008?

BC has been in jail since 2008. These are the images that he accessed then. Taken from his hard drive, well a clone of his hard drive. They did not plug his computer in and fire up Google Earth. Sorry if I confused you.

 

[Star12]

That's the way I heard it, too. Defense just wanted their report, so Kurtz could use it to go line by line in his questions and not be using another report in a different form that the witness wasn't familiar with.

He should have asked for a xerox, eh?

 

[fran]

http://www.lfpress.com/news/canada/2011/04/13/17986096.html

Good Grief!


fran

 

[FullDisclosure]

No what was argued today was that the defense has the actual drive itself. Defense asked for the output not the procedures. Prosecution is not giving up the procedures nor the output. There is no reason to hide the output other than you don't want the defense and court to see what is there. They are trying to cross with the output created by the FBI which they do not have.

It's like the prosecution said here are all the ingredients make this cake. The recipe is secret and you can't taste the cake but you can ask our bakers questions about our cake but only using your cake as your reference.

Are the cakes the same?

Perfect analogy!

 

[garner_nc]

I was there. (Remember that big THUD you heard this afternoon?) It was Fielding Dr.

The witness for this testimony was very well spoken and to the point. He boiled down difficult techo-speak for the jury and made it simple to understand. In a nutshell, Brad had to manipulate the map to get over Fielding Dr. and then zoom in several times. I do NOT think the defense will argue that it is not Fielding Dr.

ETA--The way they showed the "zooming in" was to re-create the search on a clean computer. They went through the steps to see what had to be done to get to that image on google maps. They had it all on a power point presentation.

Thanks...I trust your eyes and ears more than I do a Tweet...

Unless the defense has an answer, BC will be living in Cental Prison for a long time.

 

[ncsu95]

BC has been in jail since 2008. These are the images that he accessed then. Taken from his hard drive, well a clone of his hard drive. They did not plug his computer in and fire up Google Earth. Sorry if I confused you.

Thanks. I was thinking you were saying the reenacted with google earth images and not the images from his PC.