State v Bradley Cooper 4-26-11

[WolfpackWoman]

A person posting here (getting a lot of flack) had an EXTREMELY plausible scenario involving this idea early on that I totally buy into after seeing the guy and mostly seeing the difference between the audio and the person.

That is my reasonable doubt all the way. Save for that pesky google map search. I still want to know what those jokers are hiding on that thing.

Does anyone know if WRAL is going to broadcast the proffer on Thursday afternoon for the computer expert testimony?

 

[zenreaper]

Not true IMO. Brad had his fair share of fun and so did NC with others outside of marriage. Do I believe someone that either of them slept with killed her, no. As I posted prior to this lets say it is JP and not BC. Anyone have a defense or comment about that.

I think the same things that make BC look guilty point towards JP. Financial gain. Due to North Carolina's law about unforgiven (BC was not seeking alimony, so his affair would not affect it) adultery being a cause to deny alimony if this got out, she loses a LOT in the divorce. So she appraoches him about it, he kills her or has her killed.

I think the google search, as I explained earlier, was a MISTAKE. BC is getting evidence to prepare for a divorce, looks at a map of the area to show the advantages to their location over Canada, zooms in on the wrong area.

You know, typing that, I got to thinking, is there any way to know if the google search was STREET maps or SATTELITE maps? May be a stupid question, but STREET maps would do no good for dumping a body, but would be good for showing the area and its schools/stores/parks, etc.

 

[johnfear]

Ok funny but true story. I had jury duty today, did not get selected of course. Blum was the defense attorney and I kid you not he looked every single one of the potential jurors up on Facebook!

Oh and in the jury instructions the Cooper case was cited at least 4 times along with facebook, twitter and blogs.

Blum is a HOOT. He would have been WAY more fun than Kurtz in the BC trial.

 

[unc70]

Hey don't go getting all Boz on us here! purely in jest but let's not totally crucify the one person willing to take up the challenge.

Part of the challenge was to share how you did it, at least with me. I can accept that there are many things I don't know or understand. I am not surprised by anything involving MS Windows or IE7. So, what is different in these searches versus those what you got over the weekend?

Second, why are these .bmp rather than .cur? I don't get any of these with .bmp.

I am personally willing to recognize your superior skills, but only with I can validate your actions. Not flame bait to any side.

 

[CaryFrom NJ]

Do you recall the earlier argument that 'brad didn't have any specialized knowledge?' I'm not being snarky here, but earlier in the trial I argued that 'Cisco hired brad from canada because he had special knowledge, and was called down that brad was no more than a glorified techie.' I am surprised about the 'frowning of spouses' on business trips though. As long as we paid for the airfare, and I occupied myself during business hours, I could go along on a business trip. I seldom did, but it was certainly allowed. I also was allowed three house-hunting trips down here to find a home. We really were afforded a nice moving package. And before the kids and I came, my husband got trips back home every other week-end, to be with us. We were also allowed to interview and hire a moving company, which included packing and unpacking of the household. They even disassembled and reassembled our kids outside playset. :seeya:

Although I work in a totally different industry altogether, spouses are "allowed" to go on our business trips, but it is not encouraged. We have meetings, trainings, etc all day long and corporate events at night, which are for employees and not spouses. I have seen a couple spouses attend these business meetings and are miserable because they do not see their significant other at all throughout the duration of the meeting, aside for sleep. So, I can see why NC did not go. Not really a big deal in my opinion

 

[SleuthinNC]

A person posting here (getting a lot of flack) had an EXTREMELY plausible scenario involving this idea early on that I totally buy into after seeing the guy and mostly seeing the difference between the audio and the person.

That is my reasonable doubt all the way. Save for that pesky google map search. I still want to know what those jokers are hiding on that thing.

He has been one of my top 2 suspects from the very beginning. I had no idea the interviews were going to be so incredibly suspicious. The nervous chatter and his squirming on the stand today along with the way he tried to buddy up with the prosecution and LE looking for reassurance that he did a good job today was disgusting.

 

[Cheyenne130]

I although I believe that BC did indeed kill NC, the irony of JP's "alibi" seems to lost on many posters.

What I mean is, BC had to leave his kids alone at least 2-3 times, (2 trips to HT and 1 trip to dump NC's body) under the Pros theory. Nobody who feels BC is guilty has any problem with believing BC is a murder, and therefore would have no compunction to leave his young children alone.

However, when it comes to JP's, his having to watch his children alone until 4 PM is an "iron clad" alibi. Not saying BTW that JP is the murder, just how the different the treatment of both mens actions depends on which side of the fence someone is sitting on.

I understand that and the irony certainly is not lost on me. There was also something in his bank records. I have no idea what that was but the reference was made.

 

[SleuthSayer]

Ok funny but true story. I had jury duty today, did not get selected of course. Blum was the defense attorney and I kid you not he looked every single one of the potential jurors up on Facebook!

Oh and in the jury instructions the Cooper case was cited at least 4 times along with facebook, twitter and blogs.

Well, to be fair, for years, step 1 when the HR folks send me a resume is to Google the person.

 

[sunshine05]

I will go out on a limb and say if BC didn't do it, JP did. How's that. He is the one that all hinky meters went off on and because I'm on the fence, he's my pick. Leave the last witness alone, he's just a guy that happened upon a very friendly, open woman that loved kids and needed a friend. So if not BC I choose JP. Some tongue in cheek there but my other choice.

No one is suggesting RL is suspect at ALL. It was important for defense to point out that NC told at least one other person she was going running the next day. And remember, of all the people she spoke to at that party last night, how many people did she tell she was going to be painting in the morning? Zero.

 

[johnfear]

Does anyone know if WRAL is going to broadcast the proffer on Thursday afternoon for the computer expert testimony?

If not, I may cry.:anguish:

 

[Danielle59]

And, would you consider it professional for a married man to be in room alone with an unmarried woman from the host country???? I don't think so. Spouses can and have gone on business trips with their spouses as long as there have been business trips, probably (obviously not all trips, but France may have been special for Nancy...).

However, let's see, KC was an infant...hardly the time for NC to travel. I'm sure that just slipped BC's mind as he was establishing friendly relations with the host country.

The door was open.. I don't see anything scandalous in that.

 

[SleuthinNC]

Part of the challenge was to share how you did it. I can accept that there are many things I don't know or understand. I am not surprised by anything involving MS Windows or IE7. So, what is different in these searches versus those what you got over the weekend?

Second, why are these .bmp rather than .cur? I don't get any of these with .bmp.

I am personally willing to recognize your superior skills, but only with I can validate your actions. Not flame bait to any side.

Psst, it' the other Sleuth that did the test. I'm just an innocent bystander.

 

[RaleighNative]

Do you recall the earlier argument that 'brad didn't have any specialized knowledge?' I'm not being snarky here, but earlier in the trial I argued that 'Cisco hired brad from canada because he had special knowledge, and was called down that brad was no more than a glorified techie.' I am surprised about the 'frowning of spouses' on business trips though. As long as we paid for the airfare, and I occupied myself during business hours, I could go along on a business trip. I seldom did, but it was certainly allowed. I also was allowed three house-hunting trips down here to find a home. We really were afforded a nice moving package. And before the kids and I came, my husband got trips back home every other week-end, to be with us. We were also allowed to interview and hire a moving company, which included packing and unpacking of the household. They even disassembled and reassembled our kids outside playset. :seeya:

Agree...BC had plenty of specialized knowledge. In fact, specialized knowledge and higher education in a deemed field is a requirement for obtaining his visa.

The spouse thing depends on the company culture, and I am speaking specifically to Cisco's culture. Yes, you can bring a spouse if you pay for their airfare, and the spouse does not interfere with business. However, that is not commonly there, bringing a spouse on a business trip is not the norm at Cisco. Bringing a spouse on an MBA trip would definitely be frowned upon.

For relocation at Cisco, spouses/kids and paid trips are very common as part of the relocation. And yes, Cisco does pay for househunting trips including spouses during the interview process.

 

[zenreaper]

No one is suggesting RL is suspect at ALL. It was important for defense to point out that NC told at least one other person she was going running the next day. And remember, of all the people she spoke to at that party last night, how many people did she tell she was going to be painting in the morning? Zero.

Personally, I think the painting thing was made up. Can you IMAGINE the hubby and wife convo, "Hey, NC is coming over at 8 or so to paint the dining room. How about we wait until RIGHT before she gets here to move EVERYTHING out and prepare for it?"

 

[gracielee]

Nothing has been proven or said that BC had any type of sexual relationship with the woman from France. How do you know that France would have been special for NC? Do you even know if he asked her to go? Maybe she declined. We don't know that either way.

NC didn't seem to have any problems staying busy while BC was away on business trips, though. Hanging with friends, going to the beach with a father and their children (sans spouses), Halloween parties.

I am not trying to put NC down. That is not my intention. But you seem to be all over BC for his wrong doings, but NC seems to get the "poor Nancy" from you, even if she was in the wrong.

You do remember somebody murdered nancy, right? I wish the autopsy photos were allowed to be posted here, to put some perspective on what we are discussing here.

 

[Madeleine74]

It was pretty apparent that he was the prime (and only) suspect from the minute she went missing (thanks largely in part to the drama queen, JA). Better hope you never go missing and have a friend not worry, not care, and not call anyone cause it's too much "drama."

It did not seem that the CPD were interested in looking at anyone else but BC in this murder case. I noticed appearances are really important. Were you privy to all their interviews? Do you know exactly who all came in for questioning?

He was treated like a criminal the minute his wife was declared missing. Nice hyperbole. Funny, people were saying CPD was inept for not photographing his neck and finger on 7/12. He wasn't handcuffed. He was free to come and go as he pleased. His car and home were not seized for a search until after his wife's body was found and identified. He wasn't forced to go anywhere.

I don't find it that unreasonable that he did not call to check on the investigation. He was surrounded my police and detectives the entire time she was missing, up until she was found murdered and thereafter. Was there really a need to CALL to check on the investigation when he was surrounded by CPD? Then why did BC call HP to ask her for the latest news on the investigation? Then he suggested HP call Capt Williams to find out. She told him he'd be able to get the latest as the spouse of the missing person...and he could go ask the LE officer at the end of his driveway. This is in testimony.

What "heart" is everyone wanting to see? Do you honestly expect him to breakdown at the defense table and drown the table in tears? Absolutely not! Do you expect him to jump up and scream "I didn't do it". I do wonder why he never said a word to either Garry or Donna when he had ample opportunity to do so.

None of us KNOW BC. I am sure some of us are introverts, just as he. Keep in mind that not everyone wears their hearts on their sleeves. He had been hated on by all of NC's friends. Testimony indicates otherwise by several. He worked a lot, got his MBA and did triathalons. He spent time with his kids when he could. He gave his wife a beautiful home, gym membership, $300/week allowance, BMW. How can we all truly know for sure that he was SO bad. The part where he secretly copied her emails, lied to her for months, killed her, and dumped her mostly nude body like trash is a good indication. This is based on testimony from NC's friends. This is based on testimony from many, including computer experts, FBI, etc. It dumbfounds me how this little clique can have that much impact on people who don't even know them.

I am not saying BC was the stellar husband. But, it doesn't sound like NC was the stellar wife either. She wasn't. And she paid dearly for that--the ultimate price actually.

My comments in RED

 

[SleuthinNC]

Well, to be fair, for years, step 1 when the HR folks send me a resume is to Google the person.

Oh he asked them questions based on Facebook too. I just thought it was funny he was doing it on the fly after we had just been warned of the evils of the internet during instructions.

 

[skaylie693]

This is the second post stating that, and perhaps I should explain. I am not saying anyone WITH these things should be happy, more the point that, besides the $300 a week (which stories have indicated she did not think was ENOUGH), these things were things she WANTED< and were PROVIDED to her. I am sorry, but she did not, from what I have read, appear to be "wanting" for much that BC did not provide to her, including high end clothing, a high end car, trips, parties with friends, etc.

As I have postulated before, I think NC was used to getting what she wanted, and when she presented the settlement agreement to BC, and he said NO, I think she went to JP, told him BC said NO< that the kid was HIS< and that if she couldn't get easy money out of BC< she would get child support out of JP. Looking down the barrel of already being 2 years in arrears, and having the next 16 to 20 years of his life with a child support amount being garnished from his check, he killed her.

And before anyone says that COULDN'T have happened, that is the EXACT motive many give for thinking BC killed her.

Sorry I didn't see the first post about it or I probably wouldn't have bothered as that is mostly the reason I haven't posted anything yet. I totally agree that she seemingly had anything in the way of tangible items that she wanted and the supposed complaining about the $300 a week allowance kills me...I'm a stay at home mom and our budget is tight tight tight. I feed a family of 4 on less than $130 a week and we eat very well. I would love to have that extra each week!

But as I said before, she could have all that and still have a bad life. But she may not have recognized that it had nothing to do with having or not having all of the tangible items/money that she wanted. We seem to seek these tangible things to fulfill us both we only want more when they don't appease that emptiness.

As far as all that other stuff about what NC said and whether or not JP had anything to do with her death...I haven't a clue but it did seem to me that he was to forthcoming in his testimony about what he was angry about. In fact, he kept dancing around that question IMO. His entire testimony seemed way too hinky for me but I'm one that also was listening in while taking care of my 2 kids so I may have missed something. Alright, gonna try to step back out here and continue in my lurkdom.

 

[Danielle59]

You'd be rattled too, if you knew that some substantial portion of Wake County thought you were a murderer.

Help me understand how if he is rattled it is ok, he is just rattled because a substantial portion of Walk County thinks he may be a murderer, but if BC is rattled he is guilty?

 

[Tink56]

• 
  I think NC's hate period of time followed BC's 12/2007-1/2008 admission of an affair with HM after denying it for almost 8-10 months. I DID NOT say he felt "put upon" to be with the kids, but with NC's expectation that he had an obligation to help her parent.

[/COLOR]I personally saw both parents at the pool on weekends with the kids. BC spent a lot more time with his daughters than NC did. He was a very attentive father. Maybe he couldn't do so during the week since he worked full time and was getting his MBA. But, it sound like NC left the house to go hang with her friends when BC came home.

• I'm sure that the behavior you describe was new for BC. After he took one of the girls' passports and decided that NC and BC needed to work things out, BC quit training on weekends and now had the time he had previously worked on weekends or studied. Brad needed to save money by convincing NC he was a good dad. Was it sincere? I certainly don't know, but the timing of his epiphany was closely tied to the financial reality of the divorce. Just saying...
  NC left the house in evenings because she wanted a divorce and did not want to spend time with Brad after his revelation of the affair.
  

Wasn't he the one that left the party that Saturday to put the girls to bed while NC stayed to drink? I have no doubt that they both treated each other very poorly to say the least, but to say he was a bad dad is far fetched.

• I did not say he was a "bad dad" or NC was a "good mom"; I think I said that they failed to provide a home in which the girls could feel happy and secure as a family unit.

I think you midread my post....I've responded in red above except bullet one, which has me stymied why the edit is not working...