State v Bradley Cooper - March 22, 2011

[otto]

Trials usually don't have a WOW factor to them, especially if you know all the evidence before hand.

This isn't Perry Mason!

Murder cases are more like puzzles, each piece of evidence by itself might not mean so much but when you put it all together it does. It will be the prosecutors job in closing to put all those little pieces together for the jury, in a nice detailed way.

Hopefully ADA Fitzhugh will be doing the closing for the state!

That's true, but if one piece of the puzzle is that there was a missing screw on the license plate .. so Brad murdered Nancy, removed the plate, drove around with a body in the trunk and then put the plate back on but forgot a screw ... well, I'm not convinced that piece of the puzzle has anything to do with anything. If another piece of the puzzle is that there was a hair in the wheel well of the car, again, no one was run over, so that puzzle piece belongs somewhere else. If the house was a mess and there was a fake nail on the ground, so what. Sometimes small things don't get picked up in messy houses. This puzzle seems to be constructed of pieces that don't belong together.

 

[luckyme]

Who said Nancy was a 'cleaning fanatic' in the first place? Nancy was upset about old food left out and bugs in the house, when she came back from vacay.

Im just saying that house was neglected. It couldnt have gotten that way in a week that she was on vacation. Im not trying to be sarcastic or anything. :seeya:

 

[otto]

Well everyone following this case has assumed there had to be a wow factor since this DA never arrests someone without a slam dunk case.

I think that's an opinion that came out of the fact that Jason Young wasn't charged until 3 years after the murder, isn't it?

 

[CyberPro]

Plus you wouldn't vacuum gasoline out. It evaporates, leaving a smell behind, but it doesn't leave flotsam behind like dirt and grass and leaves that need to be vacuumed.

IMO, I have NEVER heard of anyone so stupid as to believe that you clean spilled gas out of a car with a shop vac! OK, I know one of the cool things about a shop vac is that you can use it to clean up liquid spills, but who in full possession of their faculties would use a shop vac to clean spilled gas? That sounds like a recipe for a home-made flame thrower to me.

In order for that to even be considered, we are not talking about a little seepage from the gas can, it would have to be a significant amount, like more than a cup. That much gas would probably be detectible longer than 1.5 weeks by smell alone, but let's just say BC was super sensitive to the smell, and used various cleaners, and good-smellin' stuff to cover the odor. They would have still been able to test using other methods to see if there had actually been gas spilled in the trunk.

I wonder if they did not pick up and test the shop vac because there would be TOO MUCH evidence in it, and too many possible explainations from whence it all came.

 

[NCB]

From watching the defense opening, it appears the computer evidence is the issue they are most concerned about. I thought the tid bit about asking prospective jurors about their router security during voir dire was particularly telling. I guess they are going to offer the possibility that someone planted info on Brad's computer(s). I have a hard time believing that a Cisco (and ex-IBM) person wouldn't be at least somewhat knowledgeable about the inherent vulnerablities of WEP, as well as how best to utilize WPA to protect a home wireless network.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Who said Nancy was a 'cleaning fanatic' in the first place? Nancy was upset about old food left out and bugs in the house, when she came back from vacay.

Hummmm that happens when food is left on counters etc..and I am sure she had alot of work to do to clean up Brad's mess when she returned...I happen to believe he was quite content to live like a slob...you can tell with towels, clothes just draped on railings, chairs, ontop of furniture....I rather doubt Nancy lived like that..:maddening:

 

[otto]

From watching the defense opening, it appears the computer evidence is the issue they are most concerned about. I thought the tid bit about asking prospective jurors about their router security during voir dire was particularly telling. I guess they are going to offer the possibility that someone planted info on Brad's computer(s). I have a hard time believing that a Cisco (and ex-IBM) person wouldn't be at least somewhat knowledgeable about the inherent vulnerablities of WEP, as well as how best to utilize WPA to protect a home wireless network.

Maybe they're going to say that the internet service provider logged connections to "murder by strangulation", but there is no evidence of those searches on Brad's computer. That would mean that, if he had an unsecured router, the neighbor could have done the search. That much is true.

 

[NCB]

Perhaps Brad was arrested fairly quickly because LE/DA's office were concerned he might go back to Canada and they didn't want to mess with extradition.

 

[ncsu95]

Perhaps Brad was arrested fairly quickly because LE/DA's office were concerned he might go back to Canada and they didn't want to mess with extradition.

Now that is an interesting theory.

 

[lib's mom]

IMO, I have NEVER heard of anyone so stupid as to believe that you clean spilled gas out of a car with a shop vac! OK, I know one of the cool things about a shop vac is that you can use it to clean up liquid spills, but who in full possession of their faculties would use a shop vac to clean spilled gas? That sounds like a recipe for a home-made flame thrower to me.

Snipped by me.

Thanks. I just spit fudgesicle all over my computer! (O/T: I have a cousin I could see reading this, deciding it sounds AWESOME and running outside to try to make a flame thrower.)

 

[otto]

Perhaps Brad was arrested fairly quickly because LE/DA's office were concerned he might go back to Canada and they didn't want to mess with extradition.

I doubt that would be a big concern. Canada does not extradite to countries with the death penalty until it's taken off the table. Brad and Nancy's parents would have a voice in the death penalty decision, just like Jason Young's inlaws, and it's quite likely the death penalty would have been removed. After that, a Canadian that murders a Canadian will be extradited for trial ... so it doesn't seem like a reason for rush to judgment.

I haven't heard anything about the death penalty. Was it ever considered?

 

[LyndyLoo]

Now this is just my impression thus far..I tend to think while Nancy was away with the kids he slobbed around and calculated getting rid of Nancy..then Nancy returned with the Chittlins and gave him attitude..and he bidded his time to strangle her while sleeping..moved her body to undeveloped sub-division which he likely scoped out while Nancy was away......then did his cleanup...Anyway..Given this scenrio..It was pre-meditated....But out of abundance of caution..It may have been a crime of passion ( yaaa right) tho dont think he has that personality within....anyway...cleanup afterwords, lack of reporting her missing..cleanup of his vehicle ( cleaning NOT his forte) cause gassssss spilled..yet NO GAS ODOR detected within a few dayz?? suspicious to me...Bottom line...Brad is one nasty selfish dude..and having gone thru sep/divorce with a close friend..I too was concerned..esp..with kids involved..Kids are so easy to manipulate..Anyway...Brad looks on surface so GUILTY!!

 

[carolinalady]

Found this on howtogetridofstuff.com (bbm)

Remove Gasoline Smell from Your Carpet

When removing gasoline smell from your carpet, you must follow a specific procedure. The carpet's hairy surface traps the odor, making it stay there for extended periods. You will need the combined efforts of two of the most powerful natural deodorizers - vinegar and baking soda.
Materials Needed:

* rag
* baking soda (Want to know other uses for baking soda, read how to make baking soda applications)
* white vinegar
* vacuum
* hot water
* 2 mixing bowls

Procedure:

1. Use the rag the scrub the spot soaked with gasoline.
2. In one bowl, mix some vinegar with hot water.
3. Create a baking soda solution in the other bowl.
4. Apply the vinegar solution on the affected areas of your carpet.
5. Dry the area using a rag or your vacuum cleaner.
6. Once done, apply the baking soda solution on your carpet.
7. Dry the area using a rag or your vacuum cleaner.
8. When your carpet dries, the gasoline smell will be gone. (For more tips on cleaning the carpet's car, read how to clean a car's interior)

 

[LyndyLoo]

Found this on howtogetridofstuff.com (bbm)

Remove Gasoline Smell from Your Carpet

When removing gasoline smell from your carpet, you must follow a specific procedure. The carpet's hairy surface traps the odor, making it stay there for extended periods. You will need the combined efforts of two of the most powerful natural deodorizers - vinegar and baking soda.
Materials Needed:

* rag
* baking soda (Want to know other uses for baking soda, read how to make baking soda applications)
* white vinegar
* vacuum
* hot water
* 2 mixing bowls

Procedure:

1. Use the rag the scrub the spot soaked with gasoline.
2. In one bowl, mix some vinegar with hot water.
3. Create a baking soda solution in the other bowl.
4. Apply the vinegar solution on the affected areas of your carpet.
5. Dry the area using a rag or your vacuum cleaner.
6. Once done, apply the baking soda solution on your carpet.
7. Dry the area using a rag or your vacuum cleaner.
8. When your carpet dries, the gasoline smell will be gone. (For more tips on cleaning the carpet's car, read how to clean a car's interior)

Now isnt that a treat..and given how detailed this procedure is..and Brads inability to pick up anything off the floor or put anything away//I rather doubt he could have done what you just outlined...Besides..I dont even believe any gasoline was spilled...No items Lawmower, Leaf Blower..etc...and was there even believe a "Gas Can" located??....Brad is one flat affect mean person!!

 

[Maja]

I've had the vision of NC preparing to take a shower after a blow-out with BC. BC grabbing her and choking her as she was preparing to take her sports bra off...

 

[Maja]

Now isnt that a treat..and given how detailed this procedure is..and Brads inability to pick up anything off the floor or put anything away//I rather doubt he could have done what you just outlined...Besides..I dont even believe any gasoline was spilled...No items Lawmower, Leaf Blower..etc...and was there even believe a "Gas Can" located??....Brad is one flat affect mean person!!

He had vinegar...cleaned the floors with it.

 

[LyndyLoo]

He had vinegar...cleaned the floors with it.

Not sure if you are being serious..BUT you dont clean floor with Vinegar..IF you use vinegar in cleaning it is only a portion (very small) of a mixture to wipe floors with..Anyway..Do you really think in your heart of hearts that Brad ever picked up a rag or mop to do anything in that house????? Just askin?

 

[carolinalady]

Now isnt that a treat..and given how detailed this procedure is..and Brads inability to pick up anything off the floor or put anything away//I rather doubt he could have done what you just outlined...Besides..I dont even believe any gasoline was spilled...No items Lawmower, Leaf Blower..etc...and was there even believe a "Gas Can" located??....Brad is one flat affect mean person!!

IIRC in the depos it said they had a push type mower.

I bolded the vinegar b/c they had vinegar in the house and he said he used it for cleaning the floors. I bolded the vacuum b/c to show that vacuum is one of the tools for cleaning up the spill (since that's why he says there were vacuum suction marks in the trunk of his car)

Whether or not the procedure gets out the smell, it is worth noting that there are lots of resources on "how to get rid of gasoline smell". Just Google it. Some are much simpler, like buying a product for that purpose at an auto store.

 

[ncsu95]

Found this on howtogetridofstuff.com (bbm)

Remove Gasoline Smell from Your Carpet

When removing gasoline smell from your carpet, you must follow a specific procedure. The carpet's hairy surface traps the odor, making it stay there for extended periods. You will need the combined efforts of two of the most powerful natural deodorizers - vinegar and baking soda.
Materials Needed:

* rag
* baking soda (Want to know other uses for baking soda, read how to make baking soda applications)
* white vinegar
* vacuum
* hot water
* 2 mixing bowls

Procedure:

1. Use the rag the scrub the spot soaked with gasoline.
2. In one bowl, mix some vinegar with hot water.
3. Create a baking soda solution in the other bowl.
4. Apply the vinegar solution on the affected areas of your carpet.
5. Dry the area using a rag or your vacuum cleaner.
6. Once done, apply the baking soda solution on your carpet.
7. Dry the area using a rag or your vacuum cleaner.
8. When your carpet dries, the gasoline smell will be gone. (For more tips on cleaning the carpet's car, read how to clean a car's interior)

I guess there goes the "no one would vacuum a gas spill" theory out the window. Thanks for looking this up.

 

[NCEast]

Perhaps Brad was arrested fairly quickly because LE/DA's office were concerned he might go back to Canada and they didn't want to mess with extradition.

I have considered that as well.