State vs Bradley Cooper 4-21-11

[SleuthinNC]

BC is not dead here. NC has no life on earth. Facts are facts.....innuendo, inflammatory remarks, restating details of her naked body on the couch......please. that doesn't get to anything, but someone's titillation.

That is the actual quote given by one of the parties in the incident as stated in the court documents. I don't think anybody here is titillated over the details of this case, but they are what they are and MOO relevant to the discussion of this case which has two sides.

It is a horrible thing that NC lost her life nobody here would deny that. Seeking justice does not equal disrespect or hatred for the victim.

 

[BrownRice]

He called her, but why? He didn't follow her advice.

Are you referring to him not telling the girls their mom was dead? If so, I find it a bit odd too. But he's odd. He doesn't appear to have a lot of social skills and I would think this conversation would be one of the most heartbreaking, unpleasant tasks a parent could ever have. Maybe he just couldn't do it?

I know this example I'm going to use is nothing compared to having a murdered parent, but when my mom & dad got divorced (I was 18), I found out by a note my dad left on my bed. It was on squirrel stationary (I'll never forget it). Basically, your mom and I can't get along anymore so we're getting a divorce. Love Dad. My dad is also socially awkward and not one for heart to heart conversations. My point, maybe BC just couldn't do it?

 

[LAWsy_ME]

Back to motive, means, opportunity, and facts as we know it. Nobody knows exactly what went on in their marriage. Abuse that ends in death is horrific.

 

[BrownRice]

Back to motive, means, opportunity, and facts as we know it. Nobody knows exactly what went on in their marriage. Abuse that ends in death is horrific.

I am hopeful ALL of us (100%) can agree that abuse and death in a relationship is horrific. I'll give you that!

I'm on the fence though about the motive and facts though. I will not disagree about the means and opportunity. But like I've said, if the google map isn't disproved, I'm off the fence.

 

[LAWsy_ME]

Those who don't think Brad did it. Who else had all three.....means, motive and opportunity? And be real here.

 

[less0305]

Are you referring to him not telling the girls their mom was dead? If so, I find it a bit odd too. But he's odd. He doesn't appear to have a lot of social skills and I would think this conversation would be one of the most heartbreaking, unpleasant tasks a parent could ever have. Maybe he just couldn't do it?

I know this example I'm going to use is nothing compared to having a murdered parent, but when my mom & dad got divorced (I was 18), I found out by a note my dad left on my bed. It was on squirrel stationary (I'll never forget it). Basically, your mom and I can't get along anymore so we're getting a divorce. Love Dad. My dad is also socially awkward and not one for heart to heart conversations. My point, maybe BC just couldn't do it?

MOO - he was too guilty to tell them himself. Bottom line. He asked the child phsychologist to make himself appear to be concerned about them. I don't think he took their well-being into consideration when he killed their mother and then left them alone in the house while he dumped her body like garbage. I think he needed to be concerned about how they would grow up and read and hear about the awful way their mother died. I will forever believe he is a cold-hearted, no-feeling sob. He can't even "act" like a concerned parent. But again, that's my opinion only.

 

[GhostCrab]

Morals...........Respect............Free speech. How far does someone go to defend BC?
What is off limits.........or does anything go? It is a new low in our community.

I feel compelled to jump back into the discussion here....

The state is asking these 12 men and women to put BC in jail for the rest of his natural life. They must weigh all the facts put before them in the same light, regardless of their emotions. I think a lot of the posters here are trying to do that as well, to put themselves in the shoes of the jury. That means looking at all the evidence as it is presented with an open mind and without emotion. And that might include working with facts that are not so favorable to NC, the victim. It is simply a part of the evidence. It does not have any less weight because some feel offended by it.

I find it appalling that there are others that based on the weight of their emotions deem it acceptable to be insulting to those who would like to view the case in it's entirety before making a decision as to his guilt or innocence. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion, but I would think that civility would call for you to think before you type. And for those of you wondering what the Innocence Project is doing in court, they are there in essence to ensure that this case is handled as it should be without the influence of any sort of BDI biases and persuasions.

 

[less0305]

I'd like to add my thoughts about BC's social skills. I keep hearing he didn't have social skills - well, he didn't club all those women over the head and drag them back to his lair to have his way with them while they were unconscious. He sure had some kind of social skill to chat them up and bed them down. Social skills? Yeah, he had some. He just was calculating and manipulative in how he used them. That's my take on the whole social skills debate. MOO.

 

[BrownRice]

MOO - he was too guilty to tell them himself. Bottom line. He asked the child phsychologist to make himself appear to be concerned about them. I don't think he took their well-being into consideration when he killed their mother and then left them alone in the house while he dumped her body like garbage. I think he needed to be concerned about how they would grow up and read and hear about the awful way their mother died. I will forever believe he is a cold-hearted, no-feeling sob. He can't even "act" like a concerned parent. But again, that's my opinion only.

Well, any parent who kills the other parent doesn't take the kids' consideration into account (I think their own selfishness just glosses over it). But I'm not there yet in thinking BC had to have done it (it's likely he did, but still keeping an open mind). I agree he does come off as a no-feeling SOB.

But, with telling the kids (or not) about their mom. I don't think it would be guilt. I mean the oldest was only 4. That's not a difficult age to give them BS (I used to do it all the time to my kids and they would buy anything I sold them!). It's not like they were teenagers and he'd really have to act. His terrible acting wouldn't have even been noticed by them.

 

[LAWsy_ME]

I appreciate W/S forum for the opportunity to discuss facts.

 

[WolfpackWoman]

Thought I heard the pros ask if there were any hispanic females in the lineup pics. RZ responded with "no" . Her non-verbs suggested she thpught the ? was rediculous.

I think this is right. She was asked if there were any "minorities" in the group of photos she was shown. She said no, she told them she saw a white, female jogger, with brown hair and all the photos complied with that.

 

[BrownRice]

I'd like to add my thoughts about BC's social skills. I keep hearing he didn't have social skills - well, he didn't club all those women over the head and drag them back to his lair to have his way with them while they were unconscious. He sure had some kind of social skill to chat them up and bed them down. Social skills? Yeah, he had some. He just was calculating and manipulative in how he used them. That's my take on the whole social skills debate. MOO.

Excellent point and I have thought about that. A lot. I don't get it. And don't have any type of explanation.

 

[unc70]

He called her, but why? He didn't follow her advice.

He followed her initial advice given on Sunday morning, July 13, 2008.

He apparently told others of her advice, too. I believe she said that Rentz's had told her that those suggestions had been helpful to them in knowing what to say.

 

[LAWsy_ME]

Gotta go....CYA later. Carry on with respect please......discuss the facts.

 

[Madeleine74]

I see that testimony is often misstated and I wonder why. There is no testimony that Nancy ever said Brad was a 'bad' father. She said to most people he was a good father and he loved the kids. She also complained he wasn't around much and didn't help out at home. We know that is true simply because he wasn't home with his athletic time, work time, traveling, MBA time, etc.

Testimony is that by spring of 2008 Brad was making unilateral decisions that affected not only Nancy, but also affected the kids. He was putting in a lot more effort to look involved than he ever had before, since divorce and custody issues were emerging.

I believe Brad Cooper murdered the mother of his kids. As such, I don't find that to be a very caring father in the end. Hurting the mother of his kids does not do the kids any good. But hey, that's just me.

 

[momof7]

I am hopeful ALL of us (100%) can agree that abuse and death in a relationship is horrific. I'll give you that!

I'm on the fence though about the motive and facts though. I will not disagree about the means and opportunity. But like I've said, if the google map isn't disproved, I'm off the fence.

I agree. I do think BC did do the crime. I am still not sure about JW's testimony re: the tampering of the computer. I am still not sure I completely understand what he is was getting across. I am hoping the google testimony will put things into perspective in that area. I still am at the point where I understand the defense is saying it could have been done, since that is all they need to prove, but I still keep feeling that I want someone to say this is how it was done, when it was done etc so that I can say aha, he was framed or he wasn't. I still think BC did have the opportunity, motive and means to do this.

I do not believe there should be ANY abuse in a relationship, no matter what type of relationship child/parent husband/wife. Unfortunately, in this case there was abuse in many ways. NC death is horrible and her life should not have ended by anyone's hands. I want her to have justice, her family to have justice...not years of court/trails/reliving these years.

Kelly

 

[Bottle Cap]

Here's my really unsolicited thoughts on the people who are convinced that Brad did it. If you pay attention to society and abuse and murder statistics, statistically he did it. If you have any faith in law enforcement at all, he did it. If you believe that people mostly act out of good faith in order to see justice for a dear friend, he did it. If you believe that our justice system provides for a victim to be crucified in a spectacle not unlike that of a public stoning of a woman, in order to provide justification for a murderer, he did it.

Seems to me where this got all off the rails was that last bit. There's some misogynistic blood-thirsty folks out there that behaved really bad. Unfortunately those seem to be the same people grasping at conspiracy theories and taking tiny bits of CE individually, in a vacuum. It's almost like this has polarized people into those who believe in order and LE and statistics and people's good nature, versus those who have a grimmer view of society, where everyone lies, LE is corrupt, and justice isn't possible. That's why it's so emotional I reckon.

One thought on RZ cause I just watched it. Sincere as she may be, her whole testimony somehow made all of this about her instead of about Nancy, before making a big enough stink to end up as a witness. Once she was found dead, she didn't have to worry about had the girl been hit by a car. It came across to me as someone who had her priorities a little mixed up.

 

[jrb0124]

Calling someone "ignorant" and "ignorant of all the facts" are two different things, and I stated the latter, Cityslick.

Everyone here is "ignorant of all the facts" until the defense rests.

Having said that, what are these facts to date that those who are not convinced of BC's guilt are ignoring?

Remember, something is not a fact simply because someone said it was or testified to it.

I'd like to see a list of real facts in this case that implicates BC beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[momof7]

I see that testimony is often misstated and I wonder why. There is no testimony that Nancy ever said Brad was a 'bad' father. She said to most people he was a good father and he loved the kids. She also complained he wasn't around much and didn't help out at home. We know that is true simply because he wasn't home with his athletic time, work time, traveling, MBA time, etc.

Testimony is that by spring of 2008 Brad was making unilateral decisions that affected not only Nancy, but also affected the kids. He was putting in a lot more effort to look involved than he ever had before, since divorce and custody issues were emerging.

I believe Brad Cooper murdered the mother of his kids. As such, I don't find that to be a very caring father in the end. Hurting the mother of his kids does not do the kids any good. But hey, that's just me.

I agree with this 1000%.

 

[cody100]

He followed her initial advice given on Sunday morning, July 13, 2008.

He apparently told others of her advice, too. I believe she said that Rentz's had told her that those suggestions had been helpful to them in knowing what to say.

You are correct, UNC.