State wants answers from Baez

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Casey Anthony Plea Deal Unlikely Now
Tense Relationship Between Defense, Prosecution Shows In Recent Motion


"You can see the state's frustration," Hornsby said.

Hornsby said as Judge Belvin Perry serves as mediator for the two sides, any hope of a pre-trial plea deal fades further.

"When the attorneys have reached that level, it's very difficult to conceive of any way they could work out any case as serious as a death penalty case," said Hornsby.

Baez has not responded to Ashton's motion, but Hornsby expects some sort of response from the defense.

Also Tuesday, the defense filed a motion asking for funding for a mental health expert to assist in exploring mitigating factors.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41725322

If the defense can file a new motion for funding for this MH expert to assist in exploring mitigating factors, why can't they keep on schedule. It appears to me, that Baez believes he is above it all and doesn't have to comply with the judges orders until he is ready to comply.

It appears there is animosity between JA and JB but why and where does it stem from. This is about a young woman who broke the law in a most heinous way, allegedly taking the life of her own child. If this animosity is carried through the trial, I wonder how jurors will react to this...If Baez has any notions of trying to get a plea change, wouldn't it be better for him and his client to not ruffle those feathers?

He also had a deadline for expert reports, where they filed on time? JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

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If the defense can file a new motion for funding for this MH expert to assist in exploring mitigating factors, why can't they keep on schedule. It appears to me, that Baez believes he is above it all and doesn't have to comply with the judges orders until he is ready to comply.

It appears there is animosity between JA and JB but why and where does it stem from. This is about a young woman who broke the law in a most heinous way, allegedly taking the life of her own child. If this animosity is carried through the trial, I wonder how jurors will react to this...If Baez has any notions of trying to get a plea change, wouldn't it be better for him and his client to not ruffle those feathers?

He also had a deadline for expert reports, where they filed on time? JMHO

Justice for Caylee

ITA---It makes me gag everytime in court when jb says they are fighting to save a life----If he & the "team" were fighting that hard, deadlines would be met along with working 24/7 on this case---they don't appear to work at all --- I gag everytime jb mentions how much money the state has vs. him and his client....think he is just upset that the money train he was milking ran dry---all this should have been done ages upon ages ago....:banghead:

 

[Macushla]

I did not base my opinion on "all these missed deadlines," I based my opinion that Ashton's request was extreme given that Baez had sent an email to the Court and Ashton (which is technically writing) that essentially asked if the Court wanted him to regurgitate his previous objections to the Trunk Air evidence if those were the only ones he was going to go forward with.

That by itself is not a basis to hold someone in contempt, which is why I found Ashton's request extreme.

My opinion would have been different if Ashton had listed the litany of deadlines Baez had missed and then requested Baez be held in contempt. But Ashton did not, so I believe his response was a lot.

Finally, the context of my opinion was that Ashton's motion highlights a clear difference of opinion about the two parties ability to work informally to meet judge Perry's deadlines; Baez thinks it is fine and the State does not.

If the situation was reversed and involved you, as a defense attorney, what would you have done in order to get the information you needed to prepare for this Frye hearing? Would you have told the State, that's OK just get it to me when you can? Would you have accepted the email to the Court as a legitmate reason for missing the deadline? Since you feel that Mr. Ashon's actions were extreme, would you mind telling us exactly what you would have done, if you were the one who needed information from the State, in order to move this issue forward, and they missed the deadline?

 

[Just Jayla]

I did not base my opinion on "all these missed deadlines," I based my opinion that Ashton's request was extreme given that Baez had sent an email to the Court and Ashton (which is technically writing) that essentially asked if the Court wanted him to regurgitate his previous objections to the Trunk Air evidence if those were the only ones he was going to go forward with.

That by itself is not a basis to hold someone in contempt, which is why I found Ashton's request extreme.

My opinion would have been different if Ashton had listed the litany of deadlines Baez had missed and then requested Baez be held in contempt. But Ashton did not, so I believe his response was a lot.

Finally, the context of my opinion was that Ashton's motion highlights a clear difference of opinion about the two parties ability to work informally to meet judge Perry's deadlines; Baez thinks it is fine and the State does not.

BBMoi-As much as I believe that JB is living proof of regressive evolution, I must put my personal opinion aside and totally agree with you. I believe Ashton either jumped the gun or as you have noted, he did not paint a full picture that would support contempt.
That is not to say that JB has not been contemptous-but in as much as JB contacted the court directly and limited himself to his motion, I think HHJP will have temperance on this one.
Ya'll know where I stand on this case and the DP (I'm old school Virginian) so please be equally as temperant when you're sluggin me over the head....:slap:
There is certainly a great concern, held by all of us, that this trial needs to be a clean fight and KC needs proper representation-Frustration ensues when it appears that KC's lawyers are (perhaps purposefully) giving Krusty the Clown a run for his money. Understandable that all, including Ashton, are losing patience. I'm just thinking Ashton is better off loading for bear, not bunnies.

 

[strawberry]

I totally support JAs motion. As I've said, I am a Health Inspector and there are some people who correct everything the first time, get their license, goodbye. Then there are people who just refuse to comply within deadlines, either passively or deliberately, on and on and on. They make more work for me to have to keep going out, then to have to file citations is a pain in the keyster. I want to scream JUST DO IT and you don't have to see me again for a year! We have a progressive enforcement policy...start with warnings, then citations, then closure...that is what JA seems to be doing. Started with sanctions, didn't work. On to contempt. Think of the extra work he has to do to just get HIS job done, holding JBs hand, filing motions to get him to do his job. I'm sure he is frustrated up to his eyeballs. If it were me, though, I would have listed all the deadlines missed..that is what I do in my job to show the whole history leading up to enforcement action.

 

[LancelotLink]

My jaw dropped when I heard this motion being described as extreme...Baez's infraction minor...then I realized the story was coming from WESH, an entity that has played lapdog to the defense since the beginning. I picked my jaw up and moved on. An article and interview from WESH will have no bearing on what will transpire in that court room, nor should it.
When I read JA's motion to show cause, I was outraged that the defense would try this tactic again after having just faced possible contempt charges. Anyone who follows this case knows this is yet another in a laundry list of infractions.

Personally, if I were "confused" I would have first read the court order, see if that cleared it up any. But, come one folks, we know what is going on here. He is no more confused than I am and I ain't confused.

I did appreciate the twist in the article, however. JB did not see a need to disgorge his objections since they were already listed, but JA should have belched up all of JB's infractions, which are already listed as part of the court record, as well as every news outlet.
You really can't make this stuff up.

The article may have been about animosity and lost plea deal chances, but given that most people only read the first two sentences of an article, WESH made sure they got their point across.

Prosecutor Jeff Ashton's move to suggest a contempt violation for Casey Anthony defense attorney Jose Baez may be a local first considering the scope of the alleged transgression.

"I've never seen a prosecutor hold another attorney in contempt for something so minor," said Orlando criminal defense attorney Richard Hornsby, who is not connected to the case.

 

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41725322

If the defense can file a new motion for funding for this MH expert to assist in exploring mitigating factors, why can't they keep on schedule. It appears to me, that Baez believes he is above it all and doesn't have to comply with the judges orders until he is ready to comply.

It appears there is animosity between JA and JB but why and where does it stem from. This is about a young woman who broke the law in a most heinous way, allegedly taking the life of her own child. If this animosity is carried through the trial, I wonder how jurors will react to this...If Baez has any notions of trying to get a plea change, wouldn't it be better for him and his client to not ruffle those feathers?

He also had a deadline for expert reports, where they filed on time? JMHO

Justice for Caylee

LLL,
IMO Ann Finnell, the experienced DP qualified lawyer handling the Penalty Phase, probably wrote this Motion and not Baez...hopefully we will get to see it soon.

 

[Chiquita71]

If a Judges order is law and ignorance of the law is no excuse then JB has to be found in contempt.
BP would be doing a disservice to all the aspiring young hispanic lawyers out there if he didn`t IMO. A DP case is not the place to put affirmative action ahead of the convicts right to a proper defense. If KC knew what was in her best interests she wouldn`t be where she is today. Criminal Defense Attorneys exist to deal with the worlds KC`s. Ideally they`d be good at their jobs. JB has all the same personality traits of the woman he`s defending however. In about 6 months he`ll be hiring his own Criminal Defense Attorney to deal with the aftermath of his gross incompetence and do any of us expect that even he`ll understand what`s in his own best interest then? He doesn`t know how to use a phone, or apparently how to read.
He know`s how to dress the part nothing more and that`s all KC`s looking for in a lawyer IMHO. Well that and the fact he makes moon eyes at her and swallows all her koolaid. ITA she should be asked yet again if she`s happy with her counsel but not because I care about KC. I only care about preserving the case record so that on May 13 when she tries to fire her counsel to delay the start of trial, it`s denied.

If the Florida Bar exists to protect Lawyers first and the public second then they might want to ponder what this one member of their Bar is doing to tarnish the public perception of them all.
It would be akin to me sitting in the park watching another RN attempt to slap a screaming child and deciding I didn`t need to stop it because I was on holiday or because I needed to protect my colleagues professional reputation first.

I`m writing the Florida Bar myself. This is a disgusting display.

MHO

Respectfully Quoted kaRN :blowkiss:
BBM

:clap: Thanks for being here, and posting.

 

[strawberry]

LLL,
IMO Ann Finnell, the experienced DP qualified lawyer handling the Penalty Phase, probably wrote this Motion and not Baez...hopefully we will get to see it soon.

I was thinking it must be AF also. It should be refreshing; I will know within the first few sentences if there are no middle shool barbs thrown that it is not JB.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I see no problem with JA going in for the kill at every opportunity, with this moron. He is representing Caylee, who was viciously murdered and dumped in a swamp, not playing a game of one-upmanship with the idiot Baez. If Baez cannot follow a schedule, is too lazy or incompetent to put a note on a Calendar for every date that something is due he deserves all he gets.
If JA's reaction is not typical of how SA's would handle this given the same circumstances, then it's time it was.

 

[doogiesgirl]

Why is Richard Hornsby stating he is surprised at the Prosecution's request for something to be done about all these missed deadlines?

Exactly.
Baez was already found in Willfulll Violation of a Court Order and he has now missed another Court Ordered Deadline...I don't care how minor it is said to be..Baez had a Court Ordered deadline to obey, he did not meet the deadline..AT ALL..did not even try...he was too busy getting ready for his "unique opportunity"...in Chicago...

ITA. JB & the whole defense team are undermining the authority of this Judge and this court by not playing by the rules/adhering to deadlines. The Judge becomes useless if he cannot keep both the prosecution and defense lawyers in check. JB has long since used up his "mulligan" for missed deadlines/confusion/ignorance of courtroom procedure.

:cow:

 

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I see no problem with JA going in for the kill at every opportunity, with this moron. He is representing Caylee, who was viciously murdered and dumped in a swamp, not playing a game of one-upmanship with the idiot Baez. If Baez cannot follow a schedule, is too lazy or incompetent to put a note on a Calendar for every date that something is due he deserves all he gets.
If JA's reaction is not typical of how SA's would handle this given the same circumstances, then it's time it was.

bbm
I agree.
Baez is defending a client charged with murder who may very well receive the DP
With the trial fast approaching he is Failing to Meet deadlines to file responses Ordered by the presiding Chief Judge on this case...

I still believe Baez is trying to have a trial by ambush, even pre-trial hearings by ambush..he did it in the Nilton Diaz case and IMO is trying to do it here but JBP is Thwarting his attempts at ambush.
:twocents:

 

[MissJames]

bbm
I agree.
Baez is defending a client charged with murder who may very well receive the DP
With the trial fast approaching he is Failing to Meet deadlines to file responses Ordered by the presiding Chief Judge on this case...

I still believe Baez is trying to have a trial by ambush, even pre-trial hearings by ambush..he did it in the Nilton Diaz case and IMO is trying to do it here but JBP is Thwarting his attempts at ambush.
:twocents:

BBM

I agree.
JB and CM have a strategy ,not a misunderstanding.They knew JA would HAVE to respond when they missed the deadline. I don't understand how this Barney Fife act is helping,but IMO ,it's intentional.
Whatever HHJP does with this,will set the tone for the entire trial. If this defense team gets away with ONE MORE THING ,the entire trial will be made up of sidebars and delays ,dealing with them.

 

[Paintr]

Every time I see the title of this thread...

State wants answers from Baez

I think 'Who doesn't?' LOL!

Ex wife...'Where is my child support? You promised!'

Bank...'Where is your mortgage payment? You promised!'

Transcribers...'Where is the money for our work? You promised!'

Florida Bar...'When are you going to start acting like a real lawyer? You promised1'

Florida Taxpayers...'When will you stop wasting our money? You promised!'


SA...'Where is your experts' reports? You promised!'

HHJP ...'Why didn't you comply with my court order? You promised! '

Experts...'When will you stop bothering us? You promised!'

CM...'When can I run the show? You promised!'

KC...'When can I blow this popsicle stand? You promised!'

CA...'When can Princess come home? You promised!'

We the public...'When will we finally understand? You promised!'

 

[logicalgirl]

Every time I see the title of this thread...

State wants answers from Baez

I think 'Who doesn't?' LOL!

Ex wife...'Where is my child support? You promised!'

Bank...'Where is your mortgage payment? You promised!'

Transcribers...'Where is the money for our work? You promised!'

Florida Bar...'When are you going to start acting like a real lawyer? You promised1'


SA...'Where is your experts' reports? You promised!'

HHJP ...'Why didn't you comply with my court order? You promised! '

Experts...'When will you stop bothering us? You promised!'

CM...'When can I run the show? You promised!'

KC...'When can I blow this popsicle stand? You promised!'

CA...'When can Princess come home? You promised!'

We the public...'When will we finally understand? You promised!'

Just Brilliant Paintr - Top of the Heap with this one! :cupcake:

 

[A_News_Junkie]

I see no problem with JA going in for the kill at every opportunity, with this moron. He is representing Caylee, who was viciously murdered and dumped in a swamp, not playing a game of one-upmanship with the idiot Baez. If Baez cannot follow a schedule, is too lazy or incompetent to put a note on a Calendar for every date that something is due he deserves all he gets.
If JA's reaction is not typical of how SA's would handle this given the same circumstances, then it's time it was.

Totally agree. I think JA and co. are being wise to get the dance out of the way now, as there is no room for dancing (and game playing) when the trial and justice for Caylee comes around in May.

The judge was clear - put in writing everything you want to talk about in the Frye hearing - even if you *think* you have already done so. IE: Be prepared, know what you want the court to determine and fishing will not be allowed - nor forced upon the state to determine what your *potential arguments* might be. <---- Personally, I almost think JB wants JA and co. to ask questions that might give him a hint of a trail to sniff. (Full pun intended on use of word sniff!)

JB: You see, the judge wants you to be crystal clear so that the hearing can be done in a fair and impartial manner; and so that the scope and limitations of testimony at trial can be determined now instead of in front of jury (or constant excusing of jury) and to prevent delay and games at trial. SO QUIT DANCING AND.......
:werk: <-------- and I use the word "back" loosely!

 

[Fluffy Puppy]

I did not base my opinion on "all these missed deadlines," I based my opinion that Ashton's request was extreme given that Baez had sent an email to the Court and Ashton (which is technically writing) that essentially asked if the Court wanted him to regurgitate his previous objections to the Trunk Air evidence if those were the only ones he was going to go forward with.

That by itself is not a basis to hold someone in contempt, which is why I found Ashton's request extreme.

My opinion would have been different if Ashton had listed the litany of deadlines Baez had missed and then requested Baez be held in contempt. But Ashton did not, so I believe his response was a lot.

Finally, the context of my opinion was that Ashton's motion highlights a clear difference of opinion about the two parties ability to work informally to meet judge Perry's deadlines; Baez thinks it is fine and the State does not.

You know, from a 10,000 foot view, and in the vacuum you describe, I understand your opinion.

Where I disagree: this is not happening in a vacuum; not because of the number of times this may have happened, but because they are eleven weeks before trial. The only chance this trial and justice has, for both "sides", is that it needs to proceed according to law and procedure, thus minimizing theatrics and circus tricks.

Both sides need to get their work done. Unfortunately, in our adversarial system, the only way a missed defense deadline is enforced is if the state objects.

I don't think the state can afford to let it go just "one more time" between now and May. I might agree that it was personal if the opposite of what you say had actually happened: if the state objected to every daliance along the way. But they haven't. That is good faith, to me. But at this point, imo, it has to be about the law, procedure, and less about good faith and the boys winking at each other for the sake of appearance of cooperation.

I don't think the state has much of a choice but to insist on procedure. And I give them credit for using that judiciously. That is professional, imo.

For what it is worth, I don't see contempt being ruled here, but I can easily forsee sanctions.

All my opinion only, and thank you for the discussion.

 

[Chiquita71]

I haven't posted here for a long time, but still follow daily. These all to be very childish tricks. I think HHJP needs to treat them as children, and say "We are not leaving court until we all understand. Now look in my eyes and repeat to me what I just told you." Crazy!

Respectfully Quoted milliac :cool2:
BBM

:wave: Hello!

Exactly!

 

[strach304]

Exactly.
Baez was already found in Willfulll Violation of a Court Order and he has now missed another Court Ordered Deadline...I don't care how minor it is said to be..Baez had a Court Ordered deadline to obey, he did not meet the deadline..AT ALL..did not even try...he was too busy getting ready for his "unique opportunity"...in Chicago...

Is this why he missed the deadline and the real reason JA wants JB held in contempt? It was obvious JB was not happy at the hearing because the date the judge set was before the conference. It just seems to me that JB did this deliberately to get his way regardless of what JP said and JA has had it. He thinks he can feign confusion and the court is going to believe that crap? He is such a privileged character just like his client thinks she is. I cannot wait for this trial to be done.

 

[strach304]

I agree with others about the ball being dropped by the DREAM TEAM.

I think that the only way to get this team ready for trial is if HHBPJ sanctions every single attorney on the team...Then you would finally see them work together to ensure that there are no more deadlines missed and the the trial proceeds on time and professionally.

I vote for sanctioning them ALL!

I have no doubt that JP is going to be fed up with the shenanigans and have CM accountable from here on out.