Statement Analysis & Related Info

[kant]

Well, Haleigh wouldn't want her dad going to jail over his 17 year old gf. or her brother taken from dad either.

Divide and conquer.

You're right. Of course she wouldnt. But 5 yr olds (now 6) do not understand laws and concepts such as stautory rape, etc.
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hey, I'm looking for the clip and if any clever clip saver has it.... (?)

It's where Ron and/or Misty speak of, "looking under the beds.." for Haleigh.

The mattresses are on the floor... Odd.

 

[Donjeta]

You're right. Of course she wouldnt. But 5 yr olds (now 6) do not understand laws and concepts such as stautory rape, etc.
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hey, I'm looking for the clip and if any clever clip saver has it.... (?)

It's where Ron and/or Misty speak of, "looking under the beds.." for Haleigh.

The mattresses are on the floor... Odd.

There might be others but in the hypnosis video she says: "So I ran to my bedroom and got my phone and then um I tried to call Ronald he didn’t answer, well before I called Ronald, I turned around, while I was grabbing my phone, I turned around and saw that Haleigh was gone and I tried calling over and over again, I was freaking out, looking under beds, in closets, everywhere and screaming her name. Bubba’s up at that time and he’s freaking out too. That’s when I opened the front door and Ronald was pulling up and I asked him “do you have Haleigh? Do you know where Haleigh is?” And he was like “what do you mean?” And I’m like “Haleigh’s gone.” And we looked and searched and we couldn’t find her. And that’s it."

That's from DotsEyes excellent transcript further down the page.

 

[Donjeta]

Interesting thing about that hypnosis transcript

What were you dreaming about? Do you remember?
I wasn’t dreaming. I didn’t have no dream.

So there was no dream about four people in the MH, was there?

 

[kant]

FWIW, here is a recent Neves clip.


Fla. Girl Missing Six Months
YouTube - Fla. Girl Missing Six Months

 

[Pondering Mind]

Well, Haleigh wouldn't want her dad going to jail over his 17 year old gf. or her brother taken from dad either.

Divide and conquer.

I'm sure you are right, but the thing is that children don't want their parent(s) going to jail for any reason....even if it is because of abuse perpetrated against them (the child/children).

 

[Pondering Mind]

Ronald's behavior disturbs me. It's all specualtion for me b/c all I feel for sure is that he's lying.

I know everyone is different but many things are universal or similar among humans, like "most" people - imo- do certain common things ... many of the times... statistically speaking even.

I mean think about it.. If you came home (as he said he did) and were told your child is gone, you would look all around right? And his immediate contention was "Someone stole her." His efforts to look for her around the home were lame at best.

(Why? b/c he already knew, imo)

If Misty left the kids alone, hurt the kids, drugged the kids on her own, whatever... she'd be dead at worst and at best, or he'd be much more angry at her and not all "in her corner" .. imo.

If he were not involved in anything he wouldn't need to urge Misty to say certain things in a certain ways; Like in some videos you can see him coaching or nudging her or even changing her words. At times he's even answering FOR HER when SHE is asked a question. If he were innocent imo he would have left her to twist in the wind and answer the questions for herself.

I wouldn't have expected an innocent uninvolved person to throw a hissy fit on the 911 call like he did either. Yes, having a child missing is horribly unbearably traumatic and makes you devastated and hysterical even, but he threw a hissy fit. There's a difference....in my opinion.

I wouldn't have expected him to be all pro-Misty right from the get-go either. He's a documented hothead; If he were uninvolved, imo, he would have been ALL OVER MISTY... but he wasn't. He married her. If innoecnt, he would have left her, blamed her, put pressure on her for answers; but instead he's all, "Well, she didn't really say, Miz Nancy." WHAT???

Why? b/c he already knew... ....in my opinion.

MOO

kant, it has bothered me from the beginning that neither he nor Misty were heard on the 911 calls calling HaLeighs name. They were both on cell phones, so they could be looking and talking to 911 at the same time. And IF everything was just happening in the way(s) :bang: that they have described...WHY were they not calling out for her? Unless as you stated they already knew it was pointless. Even a child will usually call out if they can't find a parent. It really is almost natural instinct IMVHO, but it didn't happen here.

 

[suspicious1]

Interesting thing about that hypnosis transcript

What were you dreaming about? Do you remember?
I wasn’t dreaming. I didn’t have no dream.

So there was no dream about four people in the MH, was there?

I thought this was odd too when I first heard her say that. For her to say that she was not dreaming just didn't sound right. We all dream don't we? My first thought was "of course you were not dreaming or didn't have no dream because you were NOT sleep."

 

[Donjeta]

I suppose it's not unusual to be unable to remember one's dreams. I seldom do, I don't know why. People dream in the REM stage of sleep and it's also possible for sleep to have little REM compared to other stages. Sleeping pills and other chemicals can cause such deep sleep that there is little dreaming, or if the sleeping is so superficial that it never reaches the REM stage.


That said, the way she repeats, "I wasn’t dreaming. I didn’t have no dream" sounds funny to me. It's like she's expecting that someone will argue, yes you did, and repeats the denial for emphasis. Which test was done first, the one in which she claimed to have dreamed of the people in the MH or the hypnosis where she claimed not to have dreamed at all?

 

[suspicious1]

kant, it has bothered me from the beginning that neither he nor Misty were heard on the 911 calls calling HaLeighs name. They were both on cell phones, so they could be looking and talking to 911 at the same time. And IF everything was just happening in the way(s) :bang: that they have described...WHY were they not calling out for her? Unless as you stated they already knew it was pointless. Even a child will usually call out if they can't find a parent. It really is almost natural instinct IMVHO, but it didn't happen here.

You are absolutely right. I did not hear them calling out for her which to me would have been a natural reaction.

One other thing that bothers me is when Ron tells Misty to hang up or something like that because he had BETTER PEOPLE to talk to. Who better than the police to help you find your missing child? Who says that when their child goes missing? UNLESS you know who has her and you want to round up some of your friends to help you get your child back.

IMO, Ron and Misty both knows who has her and has known from the start. I also believe that whoever has her, has something on Ron, something very very bad which is why he can't tell who has her. He probably feels that if he lead police to who has her then something else far more worse will come to light. The buried gun has always bothered me too. Where I'm from, guys that BURY guns have used them to kill other people. Can Ron be connected to something that bad?

 

[suspicious1]

I suppose it's not unusual to be unable to remember one's dreams. I seldom do, I don't know why. People dream in the REM stage of sleep and it's also possible for sleep to have little REM compared to other stages. Sleeping pills and other chemicals can cause such deep sleep that there is little dreaming, or if the sleeping is so superficial that it never reaches the REM stage.


That said, the way she repeats, "I wasn’t dreaming. I didn’t have no dream" sounds funny to me. It's like she's expecting that someone will argue, yes you did, and repeats the denial for emphasis. Which test was done first, the one in which she claimed to have dreamed of the people in the MH or the hypnosis where she claimed not to have dreamed at all?

She should've just said that she didn't remember as opposed to saying that she wasn't dreaming and didn't have no dream.

 

[kant]

I think all of Ron's exclamations on the 911 call were to let us know that he was really really mad... b/c he needed to appear really really mad. The whole call was staged imo. He just way over-did it. And by contrast, Misty was underwhelming.

MOO

 

[orb4me]

Here is a web site, that does 'reversal speech' its a rather odd site, but there might be something. I followed a lot of it, but really didnt hear anything worthwhile, but I would like for someone to check it out please.

http://www.backwardstate.com/backward_state_website_037.htm

 

[Donjeta]

orb, we have a thread about it, check this out:
Backward State - Reverse Speeech Analysis of Ron and Misty - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[kant]

I want to credit DotsEyes for this transcription of Misty's hypnosis session. This was posted in another thread, but it's interesting and she went to a lot of trouble to transcribe it for others to read; so Im re-postinging it here. Thanks again, DotsEyes.


"What kind of day was February 9th?

What kind of day? Well it started out very, very good all up until. . .

What was it like?

It was sunny, it was nice out.

What did you have for breakfast?

I didn’t have breakfast. The kids had eggs.

Tell me in your own words.

Huh?

Tell me about the day in your own words.

OK.Um, _____ we got Haleigh ready for school and she didn't have anything that she wanted to wear, so Granny had some clothes that she wanted to wear, so we drove all the way over to Welatka to get the clothes she wanted to wear.

Then we took her to school and I walked to her into school, walked her all the way to her classroom, then walked out back to, got in the car with Ronald and Jr.

We went home and went back to sleep until about twelve. Got up, Ronald got up, got ready for work and got ready I don’t know what we did around the house, just laid around until Ronald had to go to work. Jr. played and then he took a nap. And it was time for Haleigh to pick up at the bus, so Ronald picked Haleigh up at the bus, I stayed at the house because Jr. was sleeping so Ronald couldn’t take him to the bus, so I stayed there.

And they come back, Ron had 5 minutes until he had to go to work, um he gave me a kiss, Haleigh a kiss, Jr. a kiss and said he had to go. Then the A/C guy, we were sitting on the porch, um we have this little basketball thing and they wanted me to set it up so I was trying to set it up, but I couldn’t set it up, then I seen the A/C guy was there.

Then I walked out of the house and I called Ronald and I said “well, the A/C guy is here” and he said “yeh”, and I gave the phone to Ronald to talk to the A/C guy and my brother was there and we just watched the kids play in the yard and Haleigh was doing great, riding her bike trying to pop wheelies and me and my brother, we just sat over there and watched the kids play.

What time was that?

Maybe about 5:00, I don’t know, probably about 5, I do believe.

What happened after 5:00?

Um, we went in the house, we let the kids play, and I cooked some dinner. The kids played and watched movies like we always do, play and watch movies. I helped HaLeigh with her homework. Um

What movie did you watch that day?

Um they watch Air Bud over and over and over and over again, so it was Air Bud. They don’t stop watching Air Bud, that’s just what they watch or Madagascar, that one too, that’s both of them. . .

What about dinner, what time was that?

Um, I started cooking about 6 and it took me about 30-45 minutes, so eating by a least 7, and that’s when Granny pulled up, and I was finished, I was just waiting for them to finish.

And Granny just brought some clothes and then she left, the kids got finished eating, and I got Haleigh ready for bed, she took her Air Buds to my bedroom to put it in the PlayStation2, cause she didn’t have a DVD player and she watched her movies and she went to sleep.

What time did she go to sleep?

Um, I laid her down at 8:00, that’s her bedtime and it probably took her about 30-45 minutes before she went, you know was sound asleep, um then I, well I got to back up a little bit, I’m sorry, um before she went to bed, right after dinner, I threw her blanket in the dryer, er washer because it smelled like pee and I didn’t want to put her to bed with a blanket on her that smelled like pee and I’m not gonna do that.

That’s disgusting, I wouldn’t want a pee blanket on me, so I wouldn’t to it to nobody else. So I washed her blanket. Then she went to sleep with her little sheet on her and I covered her up with her blanket, she was sound . . .

What was she wearing?

She was wearing her pink Hannah Montana shirt and her underwear. She had shorts on but she took them off. She don’t like to sleep in clothes at all, she hates clothes, wants to strip all the time and be in her underwear.

And probably it took 30 minutes for it to wash and probably like 60 minutes for it to dry and as soon as that was done, I got in my pajamas um and I laid down on the bed. And I remember I was halfway asleep and I remember Jr. getting up and going over me and was out the bedroom door.

And then when I woke up and he was on one side of me but he was moved to the other side of me and that is when I woke up and noticed that the light was on in the kitchen, so I went to the kitchen and I seen the back door was open so I started freaking out about the back door.

So I ran to my bedroom and got my phone and then um I tried to call Ronald he didn’t answer, well before I called Ronald, I turned around, while I was grabbing my phone, I turned around and saw that Haleigh was gone and I tried calling over and over again, I was freaking out, looking under beds, in closets, everywhere and screaming her name.

Bubba’s up at that time and he’s freaking out too. That’s when I opened the front door and Ronald was pulling up and I asked him “do you have Haleigh? Do you know where Haleigh is?” And he was like “what do you mean?” And I’m like “Haleigh’s gone.” And we looked and searched and we couldn’t find her. And that’s it.

What were you dreaming about? Do you remember?

I wasn’t dreaming. I didn’t have no dream.

The first time you woke up what time was it?

Three, all I seen was 3, that’s all.

Where did you see the time 3 o’clock?

There is a night stand next to the bed and it’s facing towards the back of the room and it’s red, it says it in red and all I remember seeing is 3, that’s all I remember seeing is 3. "


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[azwriter]

I know I'm an OCD anal retentive nit-picker... (heh heh) but it's just plain odd to me that Misty starts the 911 call with...
(wait for it...... wait for it....) . . HERSELF.

MISTY: "...Um... I was... I just woke up.... and our door was wide open.... and we can't find our daughter...."

I know everyone deals with panic differently and there is no one right way to panic. I get that. But there are norms and patterns to what people say and when comparing what was said to the end result of whoever did "it" -- whatever it was, there are patterns that emerge to use a guidlines or tools; (ok, not "proof.")

She clears herself first. (I just woke up)

She adds the door;

See? It's clearly a stranger/slash/ intruder or the door wouldn't be open.... and furthermore, we're gonna leave the door OPEN til the cops get here to prove it. yeah OK.


Great points kant about Misty's 911 call.
I wanted to add that when you tell a story, you begin at the beginning. Notice how Misty starts by saying "I just woke up." And then proceeds to begin the tale as she wants it to seem it took place.
This call is staged. She's been rehearshed and she and Ron cooked up this story. I'm sure of it.
And, I always wondered, why did Misty make the call? Certainly she was the one who supposedly was there when Haliegh was "taken." But it seems odd to me that Ron, as the father, the one who knows more information about his daughter, would make the call initally.
Also notice how Misty's pitiful voice changes when she's thrown questions by the 911 officer that she can not answer.
This call has phony written all over it.
And, kant thanks for all the articles... they certainly help in studing this case.
Kant is King.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Mar McClish calls three the "liar's number." So that's the first point that strikes me. Whatever else went on, she didn't wake up at three.

This part is a mess.

Then the A/C guy, we were sitting on the porch, um we have this little basketball thing and they wanted me to set it up so I was trying to set it up, but I couldn’t set it up, then I seen the A/C guy was there.

Then I walked out of the house and I called Ronald and I said “well, the A/C guy is here” and he said “yeh”, and I gave the phone to Ronald to talk to the A/C guy and my brother was there and we just watched the kids play in the yard and Haleigh was doing great, riding her bike trying to pop wheelies and me and my brother, we just sat over there and watched the kids play.

1. The fragment, "Then the AC guy" is followed by a "we" that can't be her and the AC guy. Who was sitting on the porch? "They" are the kids later in this sentence. Who is the "We"? When did the brother get there? Where is the "over there" that she refers to in "me and my brother, we just sat over there"?

There's no mention, anywhere, of when the brother arrived and when he left.

She screws up the blanket story entirely. She stumbles over putting the blanket in the dryer, then the washer. And there is all of that time detail about how long the blanket washing/drying takes. She says she covers her with her blanket. When? When did she wash the blanket and why? In one spot it sounds like she puts Haleigh to bed at 8 and falls asleep; in another, it looks like Haleigh doesn't go to bed until the blanket is dried, perhaps at 9:30. All the details of the blanket story are in answer to a question about what Haleigh was wearing.

My questions: When did the brother arrive? When did he leave? Did he leave alone? What else did you wash with the blanket?

Clearly these details are the sorts of things LE is referencing when they say Misty's story doesn't withstand scrutiny.

 

[azwriter]

Re Misty and the 911 call-- what's with the "my daughter" fiction? I mean, really, fgs she started out with a bald faced lie! Why?

The only reason I can come up with is to justify why it was her, rather than Ron, placing that call. In my mind, it adds up to Misty not feeling she was the responsible party...in essence, she was falsely inserting herself. Thoughts?

Quiche, good points. I do think that Ron directed Misty to make the initial 911call because he knows she is guilty of or directly involved in whatever happened to Haleigh.
And while the daughter comment is unusual, I think Misty said that so she didn't have to go into the complete story about her relationship with Ron. She had enough to remember in her "script" and was going to make it as simple as possible.
Ron's utterings in the background is very telling to me. It isn't entirely an act. I believe he's angry at Misty but he's also putting on a show of how urgent it is to find his daughter. And, unbelievably he's pretening to be angry with the 911 operator totally as a show of innocence.
I think they are both hiding something. I think Ron knew at least something had happened to Haleigh before he arrived home that night.

 

[azwriter]

reinforces the the notion that he has no respect for females at all,[/B]

Snipped for space, but agreed entirely! The only female he might have respect for is his mother - proof from his tattoo of her name above his heart. And that they are connected by the hip when he appears in public.
Also further proof is that he bred with at least two different women but never married either.
I will always contend that he married Misty only to keep the cops at bay so that he would not be charged for sex with a minor.
Now that he's been able to legally skip past that charge, he can get rid of Misty. She served her purpose. And, he knows she will keep tight lipped because they both are involved in Haleigh's disappearance. MOO.
"Keep your enemies close!" my butt. He's watched the God Father movies too often.

 

[azwriter]

As I currently am a 911 dispatcher, let me just say when I first heard them play the 911 tape on T.V I thought something is not right at all. when you have done this for 19 years you tend to get that knack for weeding out the liars, and the real. and In my opinion on this one folks I call BULLSHIZZ on Misty.


..........JMO

mis, this is what makes Websleuths such a great crime site. Your long time experience as a 911 operator is so valuable here. Glad you're with us.
azwriter

 

[azwriter]

Art H. Interview with Theresa N.
Posted on AH's site 3/30/09 (unsure of the exact date of interview)
Link to video;
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/30/exclusive-ronald-cummings-mom-defends-misty/#more-1419





TN: Ahh to my knowledge Ronald has only had one other fiancé’ and ahh some of the girlfriends; Misty is at the very top of the list. I can tell ya
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BBM and edited for space. I can't believe this line from Ron's mother: one fiance and some girlfriends?
Well mom, what about the women (girls) who gave birth to his children? They were just girlfriends or steady dates? Does she have no moral character than to gloss over these women. These are his children, too. He has a legal and moral responsible for the children he helped create. And his mom can't even bring herself to acknowledge them?
I suppose she believes it was the Crystal and Amber's fault they got pregnant. Boy, what an enabler, mom is!