Statement Analysis & Related Info

[SoSueMe]

To analyze Misty's words would take more of my time than I have right now, so I'm just going to throw this out here.

We know in the early stages of Haleigh's disappearance Misty was telling the media how Haleigh was out in the yard playing and "she was fine." The problem I have with her statement is that she says it with a sort of bewilderment, like she can't understand how this could have happened, when Haleigh was fine just hours before.

Misty also slipped when giving her tearful interview, where she says, I didn't do anything to/with her.

Now we have seen countless jailhouse interviews where Misty is continuously saying, "we didn't have anything to do with it," and "I didn't do it." Over and over we hear her say, she didn't do it.

The "it" part really bothers me and I just want to know, what is meant by her word "it" in these statements? Does she mean the deed that happened to Haleigh?

It implies to me that Misty knows what "it" is and she doesn't want to be accused of it.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I have to say, for me personally, one of the most troubling statements made by Ron and Misty was "and that's all I know". This (among other things, set off huge red flags in the beginning). It's as if they were saying, don't question me anymore. I can't imagine that many parents, of a missing child, would tell reporters (who are trying to get information out) "that's all I know".

 

[SoSueMe]

IMO, no, you don't use the words "that's all I know" and if you will recall, both Misty and Ron have used those words. I would be throwing out anything and everything to the media with the hope that something might be of use.

Isn't it also odd that not one little thing has been added to their story since about day 9 when GGS suddenly remembered she had seen Haleigh around 7:00 p.m.?

Wouldn't there be something, ANYTHING that they might have forgotten? Yet, there is nothing....that's all they know.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Beginning at the 25:40 mark of the Hypnosis tape:

-We was sitting on the porch. They had this little basketball thing and they wanted me to set it up.

-So, I was trying to set it up when I seen the a/c guy was there.

-Then I (walked?) up the house and called Ronald and asked did you SEE how the a/c guy is here? And he said YEA.
-And I GAVE the phone to Ronald to talk to the a/c guy.....

It sounds like she called out to Ronald, possibly in the B/R or bath, and asked if he saw the a/c guy was there. It's kinda hard to "see" someone at your house if you really are 16.58 miles away at PDM.

It's equally hard to give the phone to someone 16.58 miles away.

 

[Searchfortruth]

To analyze Misty's words would take more of my time than I have right now, so I'm just going to throw this out here.

We know in the early stages of Haleigh's disappearance Misty was telling the media how Haleigh was out in the yard playing and "she was fine." The problem I have with her statement is that she says it with a sort of bewilderment, like she can't understand how this could have happened, when Haleigh was fine just hours before.

Misty also slipped when giving her tearful interview, where she says, I didn't do anything to/with her.

Now we have seen countless jailhouse interviews where Misty is continuously saying, "we didn't have anything to do with it," and "I didn't do it." Over and over we hear her say, she didn't do it.

The "it" part really bothers me and I just want to know, what is meant by her word "it" in these statements? Does she mean the deed that happened to Haleigh?

It implies to me that Misty knows what "it" is and she doesn't want to be accused of it.

I was reading back over your post and it struck me what an odd statement "she was fine" was, in light of what happened later on to Haleigh. That statement alone makes me think that something happened earlier to Haleigh, possibly a blow to the head, and Haleigh was ok for a time that afternoon. Some fatal head injuries, like subdural hematomas take hours to days to progress to death. I am just guessing of course, but why say Haleigh was ok while riding her bike, in reference to some stranger abducting her later on that night ? It doesn't jive. A more reasonable statment would have been, I didn't see any strangers around the house that day watching us or Haleigh.

 

[Kimster]

Regretfully, some posts were removed from this thread. Anytime you see ***** on a link, that means we are not allowed to quote or discuss the information here. This could be due to many factors, factors that were researched by WS administration at some point or another.

Thanks for understanding!

 

[Donjeta]

It would be helpful to know why, because the removed posts or the link didn't appear to have anything objectionable to me. Is there a list of the sites that are banned by WS administration somewhere so people can refer to it before posting, and not waste time and thought writing [sometimes long and thoughtful] posts that are going to get removed for unforeseeable violations of undisclosed WS rules?

 

[Kimster]

It would be helpful to know why, because the removed posts or the link didn't appear to have anything objectionable to me. Is there a list of the sites that are banned by WS administration somewhere so people can refer to it before posting, and not waste time and thought writing [sometimes long and thoughtful] posts that are going to get removed for unforeseeable violations of undisclosed WS rules?

I'll see what I can find out. This isn't an area of which I'm well-versed. It may take some time as the mods are in and out today.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Bubba’s up at that time and he’s freaking out too. That’s when I opened the front door and Ronald was pulling up and I asked him “do you have Haleigh? Do you know where Haleigh is?” And he was like “what do you mean?” And I’m like “Haleigh’s gone.” And we looked and searched and we couldn’t find her. And that’s it.

Really funny we never hear a peep out of Bubba 3 minutes later when they call 911. How could that be?

 

[Quiche]

Could Misty have been referring to one of her own brothers as Bubba? Tommy or Timmy?

 

[Gracenote]

Could Misty have been referring to one of her own brothers as Bubba? Tommy or Timmy?

She does call them that on the phone doesn't she. And earlier she said (I have to paraphrase) WE went in the house, WE let the kids play. Who is we?

Also the question about Ron going to work, maybe he did a job before he went to work at PDM (or whatever the initials are).

"Granny just brought some clothes and then she left" Really? That's a little terse. Did they talk?fight? Did Granny accidentally bump Haleigh with the car?

Finally, I don't think she put the pee blanket in the wash, I think she just threw it in the dryer to dry it. Gross. I think that's why she said it that way.

Thank you for reviving this thread. I'm reading a book called "How to Spot a Liar" by a veteran military interrogator and I hope to use some of the info. It gives me hope that LE really do know who is lying and who is not.

 

[TXangel]

IMO, no, you don't use the words "that's all I know" and if you will recall, both Misty and Ron have used those words. I would be throwing out anything and everything to the media with the hope that something might be of use.

Isn't it also odd that not one little thing has been added to their story since about day 9 when GGS suddenly remembered she had seen Haleigh around 7:00 p.m.?

Wouldn't there be something, ANYTHING that they might have forgotten? Yet, there is nothing....that's all they know.

I somewhat agree with this. More in a yes way than a no way. But if a person were going to say anything along those lines, I would think they would say something like "That's all I remember", not "That's all I know". And they probably wouldn't start saying it so early in the investigation either (like these people did). And if people are still asking you questions that you have to answer that way a year later, it's because they think that's ISN'T all you know, IMO.

I try not to judge someone for a situation I've never been in and can't know how I'd react to personally. Who knows what I'd actually say or do?

Wih the people involved in Haleighs case, the lies they have been caught in make them look worse to me than anything else.

 

[butterfly1978]

Ron's statement to the UC abut "dope boys don't do that" was very telling to me. he says something along the lines of " Please don't tell nobody about this, cause of the situation with my daughter, everybody will say its because of that, but dopeboys don't take your kids like that, they will come in and kill you kids and your wife or your girlfriend or whatever and you walk in and find them. It didn't happen that way" I'm not quoting exactly because it is hard to hear every word but thats just about what he says. The reason this statement is so telling to me is because.
1. He so sure "dopeboys" didn't do this, so therefore he must know who did or what did happen to her.
2. To me it is an admission that back when Haleigh went missing he was dealing, which means he LIED.
3. He is so at ease with the conversation of Haleigh being missing, which tells me once again he knows her where abouts and her condition and he is okay with it.

I would like to hear this conversation clearly and see his body language from the front angle. I feel this was a perfect oppurtunity for the UC to ask "then what do you think happened", I mean, Ron brought the conversation up so it would seem like an invitation for the UC to ask. Maybe he did and the tapes are editted. I wonder if this is why they have no released the other tapes.

 

[Kimster]

It would be helpful to know why, because the removed posts or the link didn't appear to have anything objectionable to me. Is there a list of the sites that are banned by WS administration somewhere so people can refer to it before posting, and not waste time and thought writing [sometimes long and thoughtful] posts that are going to get removed for unforeseeable violations of undisclosed WS rules?

I found everything I ever wanted to know about blocked sites after doing a WS search.

Starting New Threads and Linking to Blocked Websites - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Notice that one post says it can result in a BAN if you link to those sites? But there isn't a list because they change. So, what I'd do is if I'm not sure, link to a post and post it. If it has the *******, then you can't do it and you can go back and delete the post. If it works, then you can edit the post to add what you wanted to discuss.

Hope this helps! I learned more about this issue as well. :blowkiss:

 

[TxLady2]

Bubba’s up at that time and he’s freaking out too. That’s when I opened the front door and Ronald was pulling up and I asked him “do you have Haleigh? Do you know where Haleigh is?” And he was like “what do you mean?” And I’m like “Haleigh’s gone.” And we looked and searched and we couldn’t find her. And that’s it.

Really funny we never hear a peep out of Bubba 3 minutes later when they call 911. How could that be?

JMO, but I think she is referring to Jr. One reason he is not heard on the 911 call, could be he was scared out of his little mind, and huddling in a corner somewhere. He was still only 3, and children that age don't handle yelling and cursing too well... they retreat to a quiet corner somewhere and curl up in ball to make themselves as small as possible, usually.

 

[Kimster]

What happened in here? This room is WAY off topic!

I'm going to look it over and in the meantime, please read the first post and get back on track. Thanks!

 

[LFlorida]

bumping up because I forgot what this thread was for. [thx kimster & kant]

eta - Now what is this thread for again? Is it for reference or analysis or like the body language thing?

If you're into dectecting hard-to-spot inconsistencies and attempts at deception, etc these are must-reads; And imo, there are many conspicuous examples and descriptions in these articles which are applicable to comparable parts of the Cummings case (and others) for instance, per the 911 call, interviews, transcripts etc....

If you only have time for a couple of them, I'd go with either:

1.) "911 Calls and Statement Analysis" or

2.) "Statement Analysis: What Do Words Really Reveal?"

3.) "Are You Telling Me the Truth? Indicators of Veracity in Written Statements"
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"Indicators of Veracity and Deception: An Analysis of Written Statements Made to Police,” from The International Journal of Speech, Language and the Law, 2006 Dr. John P Jarvis and Dr. Susan H Adams.
http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/articles/sadams_jarvis_032106.pdf


"911 Calls and Statement Analysis," 2008, Dr, Susan H Adams, co-authored with Lt. Tracy Harpster
(scroll way down)
http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/articles/sa_june08leb.pdf


“Are You Telling Me the Truth? Indicators of Veracity in Written Statements,” [/b]2004
(scroll down)
http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/articles/sa_oct04leb.pdf


“Statement Analysis Case Study: Beyond the Words,” 2004 (scroll way down)
http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/articles/sa_april04leb.pdf


“Criminal Confessions: Overcoming the Challenges,” 2002, Dr, Susan H. Adams, co-authored with Michael Napier (scroll down)
http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/articles/sa_nov02leb.pdf


“Subtle Skills for Building Rapport: Using Neuro-linguistic Programming in the Interview Room,” 2001, Dr. Susan H. Adams, co-authored with Vincent Sandoval
http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/articles/sa_aug01leb.pdf


“Magic Words to Obtain Confessions,” 1998, Dr. Susan H, Adams, co-authored with Michael Napier (scroll down)
http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/articles/sa_oct98leb.pdf


“Statement Analysis: What Do Words Really Reveal?” 1996 (Begins with Susan Smith)
http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/articles/sa_statement_analysis_1996.pdf


Link to all of the above on one page
http://cicentre.com/intelligencespeakers/ISB_A-K/SP_ADAMS_Susan.htm

 

[Gma Kat]

I was just watching the video taped visitation between MC and her father HC. It was the video where she has cornrows, but I'm not sure the date; anyhow, it is the part where HC asks MC "if" Haleigh can come home and she replies that she can. While she is saying that Haleigh can come home (she may have said of course she can) her head is shaking in the negative.

This tells me that MC knows that Haliegh can't come home and therefore knows what happened to her.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Was listening to a radio show on this case and the topic of statement analysis was brought up. Since there has been some talk of the "gun" lately, I copied the following post for renewal.

Originally Posted by kant

This is Raisin Charlie's clip that I pinched from him in the parking lot Rumors thread.

FWIW, it briefly addresses some things I was wondering about.

At about 0:55 seconds in, the reported says (as far as I can tell)

REPORTER: "...A neighbor told me that she heard a woman yelling in or near this blue mobile home around 2:25 in the morning."

Also, at the beginning of the clip there's mention of the cousin and the gun. Mother Teresa said that there was was an altercation b/w Ron and the cousin. Ron denies it (..somewhere; I don't have the clip) Teresa says there was a gun. Ron denies that too and said something to the effect of..

RON: (paraphrased) "There's no gun; And no fight; I don't know where you people are getting these crazy stories from"

...Um... well, dude... from your mom...

More contradictions and inconsistencies.. *sigh*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

 

[suspicious1]

Was listening to a radio show on this case and the topic of statement analysis was brought up. Since there has been some talk of the "gun" lately, I copied the following post for renewal.

Originally Posted by kant

This is Raisin Charlie's clip that I pinched from him in the parking lot Rumors thread.

FWIW, it briefly addresses some things I was wondering about.

At about 0:55 seconds in, the reported says (as far as I can tell)

REPORTER: "...A neighbor told me that she heard a woman yelling in or near this blue mobile home around 2:25 in the morning."

Also, at the beginning of the clip there's mention of the cousin and the gun. Mother Teresa said that there was was an altercation b/w Ron and the cousin. Ron denies it (..somewhere; I don't have the clip) Teresa says there was a gun. Ron denies that too and said something to the effect of..

RON: (paraphrased) "There's no gun; And no fight; I don't know where you people are getting these crazy stories from"

...Um... well, dude... from your mom...

More contradictions and inconsistencies.. *sigh*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKkhLHyO_s

IMO, I think it was Misty that they heard screaming and on the phone...I think she had just found out about Haleigh. LE said she wasn't there the whole night so maybe this is when Misty arrived there at the mh.