Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder? #2

[Karinna]

And besides, KZ doesn't have to prove anything to joe public, she has to test it in the courts.

 

[Karinna]

No one including me is undermining KZ's success in the past. That does not mean for a second that SA is not guilty.

And it also doesn't mean he is not innocent either. As i said i am going with the new evidence because that is where this case is at right now.

 

[Sustained]

And it also doesn't mean he is not innocent either. As i said i am going with the new evidence because that is where this case is at right now.

That is not evidence - those are theories put forward by the "experts". And actually the case is nowhere right now until KZ gets an evidentiary hearing. And in the remote chance she does, the state will load up on their own experts.

 

[Karinna]

Another thing that concerns me a lot is why sworn witnesses at the Trial lied and provably so, under oath? What were they hiding? People that lie have something they are hiding obviously, and i hope KZ can get to the bottom of why that happened. It means the trial was unfavorably skewed to convict the defendant.
And far as i know perjuring yourself in court is a crime.

 

[Sustained]

Another thing that concerns me a lot is why sworn witnesses at the Trial lied and provably so, under oath? What were they hiding? People that lie have something they are hiding obviously, and i hope KZ can get to the bottom of why that happened. It means the trial was unfavorably skewed to convict the defendant.

That has yet to be proven in a court of law - the court of public opinion does not matter.

 

[Karinna]

That has yet to be proven in a court of law - the court of public opinion does not matter.

It is in evidence with KZ.

 

[Sustained]

It is in evidence with KZ.

It is not evidence of anything until presented to a judge or jury. I don't care what KZ claims to have uncovered - unless she can tie it to the
TH murder, she's got nothing.

 

[Karinna]

It is not evidence of anything until presented to a judge or jury. I don't care what KZ claims to have uncovered - unless she can tie it to the
TH murder, she's got nothing.

Well just wait and see then. She isn't done with this case by a long shot. And no one can predict the outcome. As she has stated by the time she gets a case overturned it will go through about 10 courts, so still a ways to go yet. It's only in the lower courts right now.

 

[Sustained]

Well just wait and see then. She isn't done with this case by a long shot. And no one can predict the outcome. As she has stated by the time she gets a case overturned it will go through about 10 courts, so still a ways to go yet. It's only in the lower courts right now.

Yes we will and several years will probably pass making witness memories more hazy.

 

[Karinna]

Yes we will and several years will probably pass making witness memories more hazy.

What witnesses are you referring to exactly? We don't know yet do we?

 

[Sustained]

What witnesses are you referring to exactly? We don't know yet do we?

That is a hypothetical scenario for any witness that may be called to a court proceeding, should there be one. The more time passes, the most distant memories become.
I can certainly not remember where I was on 10/31/05.

 

[Karinna]

That is a hypothetical scenario for any witness that may be called to a court proceeding, should there be one. The more time passes, the most distant memories become.
I can certainly not remember where I was on 10/31/05.

KZ has documented evidence of what certain trial witnesses said in 2007 at trial proceedings.
LE, the forensic so called experts at the time, all the other witnesses too. It's all in the trial transcripts. So it's not really going to rely too much on memories now, because it was all well documented at the time.

 

[CoolJ]

Whether KZ wins or loses, how many interviews/book deals will she get for taking on the Avery case ? Kratz/Griesbach wrote books, why not KZ ?
That million as you say could easily turn into really big bucks. And if she is not seeking fame, why is she tweeting all the time to maintain interest in the case ?
Why not just say "My new motion has been filed and you can read it here" ?

Because that, unfortunately, is how overturning wrongful convictions works. You need overwhelming public support to put pressure on state officials to do the right thing. It helps tremendously, otherwise, too easy for the state to turn a blind eye and pretend like they did no wrong.

 

[Karinna]

(quote)
Leading Causes of Wrongful Convictions

These DNA exoneration cases have provided irrefutable proof that wrongful convictions are not isolated or rare events, but arise from systemic defects that can be precisely identified and addressed. For more than 15 years, the Innocence Project has worked to pinpoint these trends.
Facts on Post-Conviction DNA Exonerations – IAPE Evidence Blog

 

[CoolJ]

Let's get something clear ....

I suggest you back off of your comments toward me about being manipulated by one man's book about the case. I could say that you have been
manipulated by the MaM series and are star-struck by KZ. But I don't know you, so that wouldn't be fair.

I have watched both MaM1 and MaM2 in their entirety. I have read everything on Reddit both pro and con against Steven Avery. I have also read Griesbach book.
I look forward also to the "Convicting a Murderer" series. I have read most of the police reports and the trial transcripts. I have read KZ's tweets. I come to my own conclusions about the murder based on the totality of what I've seen and read. I also know people seeking publicity at any level come out of the woodwork when
series like MaM come out, i.e. Lynn Hartman.

And as far as being "dead wrong", being innocent and not-guilty are indeed two different things. If KZ gets SA out on a technicality, he could still be guilty of murdering
TH. If KZ eventually gets SA a new trial and by some unlikely reason he is found not guilty, it does not mean he is innocent. No more than Casey Anthony or O.J. Simpson.

If KZ can prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that someone else committed the TH murder, I'll be the first to apologize for my firm opinion of SA's guilt. But IMO, I will never have to apologize as SA is the monster that took an innocent woman's life and got his nephew involved most likely because he was afraid of his uncle.

Let’s get something else clear, do not tell me to back off....ever. I am fighting for something I wholeheartedly believe in. And I will continue to do so no matter how stern you want to come across.

How many times have you said we have been manipulated by a documentary? Different story when you are not the one dishing it out, huh?

Do you really think I am that stupid? That I would fall for “clever editing” and spooky music? Get real. If folks can’t see corruption when it is staring them right in the face, it is not the fault of those who can. Maybe those folks would be better serving society if they would just pay closer attention to the lies and the deceit instead of burying their heads in the sand.

 

[CoolJ]

Whether KZ wins or loses, how many interviews/book deals will she get for taking on the Avery case ? Kratz/Griesbach wrote books, why not KZ ?
That million as you say could easily turn into really big bucks. And if she is not seeking fame, why is she tweeting all the time to maintain interest in the case ?
Why not just say "My new motion has been filed and you can read it here" ?

If she loses? After she said she would bet her life he is innocent? She would be a laughing stock. She would have to publish the book herself. She would lose credibility. Her word would be meaningless.

So you think she is doing all of this so she can write a book?

Are you serious?

 

[Sustained]

Let’s get something else clear, do not tell me to back off....ever. I am fighting for something I wholeheartedly believe in. And I will continue to do so no matter how stern you want to come across.

How many times have you said we have been manipulated by a documentary? Different story when you are not the one dishing it out, huh?

Do you really think I am that stupid? That I would fall for “clever editing” and spooky music? Get real. If folks can’t see corruption when it is staring them right in the face, it is not the fault of those who can. Maybe those folks would be better serving society if they would just pay closer attention to the lies and the deceit instead of burying their heads in the sand.

I don't really care who you're fighting for - I asked you to back off the personal commentary = any more and you will be reported.

In the meantime, easier to put you on ignore while you look for the forest through the trees.

 

[Sustained]

If she loses? After she said she would bet her life he is innocent. She would be a laughing stock. She would have to publish the book herself. She would lose credibility. Her word would be meaningless.

So you think she is doing all of this so she can write a book?

Are you serious?

Are you serious thinking that Steven Avery is innocent and Brendan Dassey made the whole thing up ? Get real ...

 

[Sustained]

KZ has documented evidence of what certain trial witnesses said in 2007 at trial proceedings.
LE, the forensic so called experts at the time, all the other witnesses too. It's all in the trial transcripts. So it's not really going to rely too much on memories now, because it was all well documented at the time.

The we will wait for her irrefutable "evidence" that the trial testimony was perjured and it made a difference to the outcome of the trial.

 

[CoolJ]

Are you serious thinking that Steven Avery is innocent and Brendan Dassey made the whole thing up ? Get real ...

I am 100% sure Avery is innocent and about 95% sure Brendan made the whole thing up.