Steven Powell was involved in disappearance

[ChasingMoxie]

It would be a waste of time to try to crack strong encryption on Josh's drive. If they had people assigned to that task, most likely they were trying to automate a correct guess of his password(s). Strong encryption cannot currently be broken, and Josh was most likely using strong encryption. I would be pretty upset if they wasted resources trying to break an encryption algorithm that is currently undergoing unsuccessful cracking attempts with incredible amounts of computing power all over the world - there are far better ways to expend those resources.

In a lawless world, they would have the team work on a targeted client side attack on Josh's systems/phones to gather information useful towards greater penetration of his confiscated systems, but there are laws in place that prevent the good guys (LE) from taking that route.

Anyway, I just wanted to post really quick to say that HotLavaJavas is correct, the encryption cannot be cracked. That's how good encryption works - even knowing the algorithm you still can't decrypt encrypted data without the right key pair.

ETA: This is actually a similar situation to old DNA cases - because as computing power increases, encryption technology advances - so as with trace DNA evidence, they have hopefully imaged the drive, and they can store that until a future date when perhaps the encryption technologies have advanced beyond where we are now.

 

[dovebar]

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Wanted to share with you an incident regarding a rape kit:

Someone very dear to me told me that she thought she had been raped by police after she passed out and was transported in a squad car. When she regained consciousness, she demanded to be taken to a hospital. She had them do a rape kit.

However, when she went to get the results, somehow it was lost or disappeared...

She died in a tragic car crash (non-alcohol related), and that was never fully investigated either.

Concentric, I am very sorry to hear about your friend. I am mindful of the fact that a jury just failed to convict a rapist cop in NY - because an attorney on the jury, who did not tell the judge he knew a lawyer in the case, turned enough jurors to believe that a woman simply doesn't know when she's being raped. It seems there are infiltrators everywhere helping the bad guys get away with it - even among cops, even among lawyers and prosecutors. I don't know what it will take for women, and the men who love them, to say that we are mad as he** and are not going to sit back and take it anymore. Or live in fear the rest of our lives. Again, so sorry about your friend, RIP.

 

[hollyblue]

Well, looky here.....many of us speculated on the half way mark.

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[MsFacetious]

It is absolutely true that they might not have been able to get into the computers.
It is also true that there are people who were willing to try that were never asked.

They would have tried on their OWN time... and were not doing anything else with the case.

I realize the FBI has experts. I also realize the FBI has made deals with suspects to hack into their own computers for them.

Maybe it just wasn't worth trying. But I think Susan and her boys, were worth the effort. :twocents:

And again... this isn't about why they didn't file charges.
It is about why they didn't share enough information with Washington to remove those boys.

Who here would have really said "No, protect the integrity of the murder case! Reveal no evidence!
Let the boys lives be at risk, if Josh happens to live I want him charged! Charging someone is #1, not the boys safety."

I think everyone who knew Susan would have gladly traded prosecuting ANYONE if her boys could have been saved.
Yet that wouldn't have even been necessary, they could have just put it in a sealed document. :twocents:

 

[Just K]

It is absolutely true that they might not have been able to get into the computers.
It is also true that there are people who were willing to try that were never asked.

They would have tried on their OWN time... and were not doing anything else with the case.

I realize the FBI has experts. I also realize the FBI has made deals with suspects to hack into their own computers for them.

Maybe it just wasn't worth trying. But I think Susan and her boys, were worth the effort. :twocents:

And again... this isn't about why they didn't file charges.
It is about why they didn't share enough information with Washington to remove those boys.

Who here would have really said "No, protect the integrity of the murder case! Reveal no evidence!
Let the boys lives be at risk, if Josh happens to live I want him charged! Charging someone is #1, not the boys safety."

I think everyone who knew Susan would have gladly traded prosecuting ANYONE if her boys could have been saved.
Yet that wouldn't have even been necessary, they could have just put it in a sealed document. :twocents:

It was a no win situation for those helpless children. The "cartoon" pornographic images found on his computer were not "officially" considered "illegal." Yet, if the Judge had known of the content on his computer at the first custody review then perhaps JP would have had highly supervised visitation to begin with and a psycho-sexual exam might have been court ordered sooner.

But, re: using the contents of these search warrants, in a closed custody hearing and sealed search warrants, with JP present at that hearing, he would have been made completely aware of the evidence that WVPD had found and exactly what evidence LE had against him. He was the main person they did not want knowing what was in the request for the search warrants and that the evidence pointed clearly to the fact that Susan was dead and that JP had killed her.

 

[hollyblue]

As many of us discussed after JP off himself and then murdered the boys....he would have attempted or succeeded at some point, maybe taking others like the Coxes. So letting JP go and compromising the investigation would have done nothing, imo. He still would have done the drastic deed because of control of the boys. IMO

I don't know if there was a legal way to advise the judge of what was sealed, but I doubt it because if she had said "You can't have custody of the children because of evidence x, and y or z found in the SW....his attorney would rightly want to know what that evidence was. See what I mean? IANAL, so ???

TBH, I don't see what evidence they could find against either JP or SP in her childhood journals because it was before she was married. BUT, I am glad they found all the chit on SP because he destroyed so many lives...including his own son and grand babies.

It just a damn mess. IMO

 

[dovebar]

Typical caves there.
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june192010/mine-caving.php

Well, looky here.....many of us speculated on the half way mark.

West Valley City, UT to Ontario, OR - Google Maps

 

[concentric]

Concentric, I am very sorry to hear about your friend. I am mindful of the fact that a jury just failed to convict a rapist cop in NY - because an attorney on the jury, who did not tell the judge he knew a lawyer in the case, turned enough jurors to believe that a woman simply doesn't know when she's being raped. It seems there are infiltrators everywhere helping the bad guys get away with it - even among cops, even among lawyers and prosecutors. I don't know what it will take for women, and the men who love them, to say that we are mad as he** and are not going to sit back and take it anymore. Or live in fear the rest of our lives. Again, so sorry about your friend, RIP.

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Thank you, your caring means so much, so much.

I bolded the above sentence because I just wanted to say something here. In other cases of rapist cops, children have been victims.

 

[OneLove]

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Thank you, your caring means so much, so much.

I bolded the above sentence because I just wanted to say something here. In other cases of rapist cops, children have been victims.

So very sorry for your sorrows. It's so sad that after all these decades of working to build awareness, there are still so many horrors among us.

 

[OEJ]

A few experts seem to exist. What mad skillz have the WVP and any other authorities put on the case? If they're so desperate, why haven't they made public appeals as the FBI has done to break other codes? Sorry, but we're not going to go away and be good girls anymore and accept that the boys are "working on it and it could take years." It is not a consolation that the boys are dead. Tomorrow, it will be just another woman, just another set of kids - until the Utah authorities (and the WA authorities) are called to account for what they did - and did not do, and are still not doing. WVC has a prosecutor with a DV history. That's how "today" and fresh this crisis is.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/254236.stm

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/technology/29hack.html?pagewanted=all

http://pcworld.about.net/magazine/1905p137id44544.htm

It's not really a code. The files are encrypted. Just the very basic Pretty Good Privacy encryption is difficult to break without the key. The FBI tried and tried to break Joseph Duncan's PGP encrypted files and could not do it. Every possible combination of letters and numbers have to be fed through the software trying to find the key.

I don't think the WVPD really needed these files to charge Powell anyway, though, and they certainly didn't need them to let Washington know what kind of situation those two little boys were in, either.

 

[snupy]

Steven Powell was absent from his Washington state job on Dec. 8 and Dec. 9, 2009, his former employer confirmed Tuesday.

The days coincide with the period that his son Josh Powell, Susan’s husband, rented a Ford Focus from the Salt Lake International Airport, putting more than 800 miles on the vehicle before returning it around 7 p.m. on Dec. 10, 2009.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/5...n-josh-police.html.csp?utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[Dr. Know?]

I'm having the worst time not to scream out loud about an actual fact about SP's time off. I heard it long ago, but not from his employer as fact as now, thanks snupy. I think many are fed up and are releasing info in bits at a time since the SW release last Friday. Sp deserves as much as they can give him. Hopefully full sentences. He needs to fess up. I think he knows a lot more, like many here do. If he didn't do the deed, he surely provoked it with their upbringing. No different than a Warren Jeffs in my book. jmo May the families have strength to tell the truth for their families and future lives. I worry what they endured, Josh's mom too, JG already told what she went through at a young age. Can't imagine what the other children endured. Prayers for truth to find Susan and prayers for those hurt by it all.

 

[OEJ]

Steven Powell was absent from his Washington state job on Dec. 8 and Dec. 9, 2009, his former employer confirmed Tuesday.

The days coincide with the period that his son Josh Powell, Susan’s husband, rented a Ford Focus from the Salt Lake International Airport, putting more than 800 miles on the vehicle before returning it around 7 p.m. on Dec. 10, 2009.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/5...n-josh-police.html.csp?utm_source=twitterfeed

Where is Susan, Steven?

 

[LinasK]

With all due respect, I'm sure this is true for the layperson. But if it's true for the FBI, our whole country is in trouble.

Maybe they need to hire some Ukrainian, Chinese, or South American hackers. If they've accessed the Pentagon and every major corporation, I'm sure Joshie's encryption could be cracked. If there was the political will.
Maybe there is more than one person in WVC worried about what might show up on JP's computer.

The F.B.I. has a whole division devoted just to cyber-crime, not necessary to hire hackers, even foreign ones. I personally know someone who works in this division.

 

[gwenabob]

I suspect Josh and SP met somewhere in the Boise vicinity (~350 miles from WVC). Perhaps SP took the body and dumped it in an out of the way place on his way back to Puyallup. She might never be found, unfortunately. I definitely believe SP knows exactly where she is, and Josh might have been telling the truth when he said he didn't know where she was, technically.

 

[diphi]

Yep. Steve knows.

imo

 

[cocomod]

I am still wondering, have they checked the mounds in Steven's yard?

 

[wenwe4]

I want to know if there was any follow up of SP's movements during those two days! Were there ever investigations into cell phone pings, debit card pur chases (ie: gas receipts, food, etc on the way towards Boise?) Did SP withdraw money to fund a road trip? Did Josh? What was the weather like during those days as the drive over the Blues can be very trecherous (sic?). That is a full day drive for both and they would have had to meet up and turn around to come back the following day. Where were the boys during those two days? If Josh and SP were conniving together - they would have had to call each other to arrange meet up times and place.

 

[cocomod]

I want to know if there was any follow up of SP's movements during those two days! Were there ever investigations into cell phone pings, debit card pur chases (ie: gas receipts, food, etc on the way towards Boise?) Did SP withdraw money to fund a road trip? Did Josh? What was the weather like during those days as the drive over the Blues can be very trecherous (sic?). That is a full day drive for both and they would have had to meet up and turn around to come back the following day. Where were the boys during those two days? If Josh and SP were conniving together - they would have had to call each other to arrange meet up times and place.

Jennifer Graves said early on that Josh asked her if she would watch the boys for a little while that evening. He didn't return until the next day. She was shocked that he was gone for 24 hours without telling her; and IIRC his explanation was that he was out "searching" for Susan.

 

[x_files]

I want to know if there was any follow up of SP's movements during those two days! Were there ever investigations into cell phone pings, debit card pur chases (ie: gas receipts, food, etc on the way towards Boise?) Did SP withdraw money to fund a road trip? Did Josh? What was the weather like during those days as the drive over the Blues can be very trecherous (sic?). That is a full day drive for both and they would have had to meet up and turn around to come back the following day. Where were the boys during those two days? If Josh and SP were conniving together - they would have had to call each other to arrange meet up times and place.

DID LE drop the ball?
ugh...