"Stun Gun" marks

[santos1014]

Took me 15 minutes to compose myself enough to even post. Poor little baby first she is struck in the head with such blunt force she is knocked unconcious then left in the dead of winter to freeze to death. When I think of it ... I get physically ill.

I feel the same way. Heaven has another angel.

 

[BlueCrab]

My only point is YES Parents Mothers and Fathers both kill their children.

coloradokares,

... and, sadly, siblings kill siblings.

BlueCrab

 

[coloradokares]

coloradokares,

... and, sadly, siblings kill siblings.

BlueCrab

I won't deny that siblings sometimes kill siblings. However it also cannot be denied that sadly parents kill their children. Sometimes intentionally. Sometimes in a moment of split second rage or overwhelming tiredness or whatever. I have considered, mostly knowing the Colorado law regarding age limitation regarding minors, could Burke have been responsible. I also am aware that Burke had struck his sister before accidentaly I believe. However I think all the other factors must be considered as well. Also Blue Crab if that were the case and I know what other child at the time you refer to. Would they be as apparently well adjusted if that had been the case? However you have the absolute right to believe what you believe. As the rest of us.

 

[Camper]

Just jumping in here, I have NOT read this entire thread, however have been here since 1997, through all of the WS crashes and conversations about stun guns etc.

So here is some information for new people to check out.

The Windows Media Player video I mention in the info below, is a FULL SCREEN video shows real people having a taser used on them. WORTH the time to load and look, very clear and precise video. I do think this would explain the marks on JonBenets back. PLUS IF a video accompanies the purchase of a taser, it most likely shows it being used on the victims back.

We hassled over the marks as possibly being from 'the' suitcase in the basement for months upon months. But, hmmm.

Read about Tazers
http://www.taser.com/about/index.htm

Here is the taser link that you can watch the taser being used on real people: http://www.taser.com/about/index.htm
You will watch on Windows Media Player, full screen picture very clear.

Quoted from the link above: "Our management and employees are committed to making the most effective, safest non-lethal defense systems possible. As a measure of this commitment, most employees and all of senior management have taken voluntary hits with our various TASER devices. Click here to view a video of Chief Executive Officer Rick Smith, President Tom Smith, Chief Financial Officer Dan Behrendt, and Chief Operating Officer Kathleen Hanrahan taking direct hits from
TASER"--

Please note the LONG wires dangling because the ENTIRE distance a taser can fire was not the distance used in the video. AFTER the taser has
been fired, it appears that the two wire taser lines stay attached to the victim, and would have to be removed. OR they may automatically release after the shooter releases the trigger, I don't know that either. Someone can correct me on that. but I am going to ask my son who is an officer with police department, he was used as a guinea pig such as the people in the video here. My son was offered to either take a hit, or not it was his option to further educate him on 'what' happens when you use a taser, and how it affects you. He is no slacker and he chose the hit.

A taser could produce the random locations on JonBenets body, two taser wires shooting from the taser 'toward' the victim. IMOP one of those lines could entirely miss a small child, leaving only one visible injury.


Read about Stun guns
http://www.nationaldefenders.com/stun-guns.htm

A stun gun must be pressed to the body.

Bet Smit did not use a tazer on his pig, FROM A DISTANCE both tazers might not have connected to the pig.

.

 

[Ames]

this morings news out of Pennsylvania was about the little toddler that had been found presumed frozen to death about a 10 minute walk from the home. The father now has told the police the little girl got up and did not want to go to bed. He struck her so hard that she lost conciousness. He then wrapped her up in a blanket. Put her in a wooded area about 10 minutes from the house where she was found 2 days later Frozen to death after having been reported missing.....

As I read this I thought. Forgive me .... he should have wrote a three page ransom note....Maybe he'd of gotten away with it and 10 years from now some caring people would be on forums debating had it been him his wife or some small foreign faction. I don't mean to be glib. Or in any way make light of this poor precious childs death. Or JonBenet's. My only point is YES Parents Mothers and Fathers both kill their children. Apprarently if you read the article you'll see this toddler had the habit of getting up in the night. Who knows if this father in a moment half asleep and tired beyond belief just snapped?

I read this on the US Associated Press it was a story breaking 2 hours ago. Niya Page was the little toddlers name. William Lorenzo Page the fathers. Yes in the history of crime it DOES happen . It should NEVER happen but it does.

AWWW...this is SOOO sad. I have had my good cry for the day.....poor baby.
Someone should whack her dad on the head, and leave him outside to freeze to death....an eye for an eye....a tooth for a tooth.

 

[Ames]

coloradokares,

... and, sadly, siblings kill siblings.

BlueCrab

Siblings killing siblings is not as common, though. I don't for one second suspect that Burke had a thing to do with the murder of his little sister...he was only NINE years old. If he had of been involved, he wouldn't have went to jail....because he was TOO young....and I am sure that his parents would have known that, unless they were just stupid....(wait a minute....HOLD that thought). I don't believe that they would have carried out that elaborate coverup...if Burke had of done it. Why would they have covered for him, if they knew that he was too young for jail?

 

[Ames]

Check out these recent photos of Burke, posted on FFJ. (Hope its okay for me to post this link). After viewing this link, click on the next page of the thread..and theres more photos.

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7774

 

[Jayelles]

For the record - Bluecrabs' "expert" whom he places so much faith in is one Michael Doberson who famously FAILED to identify stungun marks on Gerald Boggs.

 

[Solace]

For the record - Bluecrabs' "expert" whom he places so much faith in is one Michael Doberson who famously FAILED to identify stungun marks on Gerald Boggs.

Interesting.

 

[Ames]

For the record - Bluecrabs' "expert" whom he places so much faith in is one Michael Doberson who famously FAILED to identify stungun marks on Gerald Boggs.

Only confirms what I already knew....a stun gun was NOT used. IMO

 

[Solace]

Only confirms what I already knew....a stun gun was NOT used. IMO

I concur.

 

[BlueCrab]

For the record - Bluecrabs' "expert" whom he places so much faith in is one Michael Doberson who famously FAILED to identify stungun marks on Gerald Boggs.

Jayelles,

Arapahoe County forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Doberson was credited with solving the 1993 Gerald Boggs murder by identifying stun gun injuries on the victim after the corpse had been dug up and examined 8 months after being buried.

BlueCrab

 

[Ames]

Jayelles,

Arapahoe County forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Doberson was credited with solving the 1993 Gerald Boggs murder by identifying stun gun injuries on the victim after the corpse had been dug up and examined 8 months after being buried.

BlueCrab

I would have thought that the corpse would have been "ashes to ashes...dust to dust"...by then. Or if not....at least a bunch of bones.

 

[BlueCrab]

I would have thought that the corpse would have been "ashes to ashes...dust to dust"...by then. Or if not....at least a bunch of bones.

Ames,

The average corpse, buried under average soil conditions, takes about 5 years to totally putrify if a child and about 10 years to totally putrify if an adult.

BlueCrab

 

[icedtea4me]

I think the injuries on JonBenet's face that night came from Patsy's fingernail and thumbnail. She was face-to-face with JonBenet with the right side of JonBenet's jaw in her left hand, the edge of her thumbnail near the chin and her index nail just below the ear.


-Tea

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelles,

Arapahoe County forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Doberson was credited with solving the 1993 Gerald Boggs murder by identifying stun gun injuries on the victim after the corpse had been dug up and examined 8 months after being buried.

BlueCrab

Doberson also performed the first autopsy and FAILED to recognise them when they were right in front of him. That is a FACT which stungun theorists would prefer wasn't so. When jameson was asked outright what was the name of the pathologist who FAILED to identify Bogg's stun-gun injuries in his original autopsy, she fluffed around saying she didn't have that name to hand and ....ooh err....she'd have to look it up.... and then ....drat....her notes were in storage (conveniently preventing her from doing so). She knew fine and well it was Doberson all along

Doberson is NOT an expert on stunguns. He didn't recognise a stungun injury when it was staring him in the face!

 

[Solace]

Doberson also performed the first autopsy and FAILED to recognise them when they were right in front of him. That is a FACT which stungun theorists would prefer wasn't so. When jameson was asked outright what was the name of the pathologist who FAILED to identify Bogg's stun-gun injuries in his original autopsy, she fluffed around saying she didn't have that name to hand and ....ooh err....she'd have to look it up.... and then ....drat....her notes were in storage (conveniently preventing her from doing so). She knew fine and well it was Doberson all along

Doberson is NOT an expert on stunguns. He didn't recognise a stungun injury when it was staring him in the face!

My Lawd!

 

[Jayelles]

A few years ago, I did a careful experiment with images of JonBenet's "stungun" marks and Doberson's pig experiment.

Using the rulers on the images, I made them life size - increasing the images by fractions of a milimetre until they perfectly aligned with a metal ruler I had purchased. Then I printed the images out on acetate and overlaid them.

It was an eery feeling to look at the image of Jonbenet and know that this was life size, but the bottom line is that the marks do NOT match up. The marks on JonBenet are much smaller and closer together. You only realise this when you do scale them to life size. They are little more than two tiny pin pricks compared to the pig marks which are rectangular in shape and which match the prongs on the stungun to perfection.

Over the years I have suggested several times to Bluecrab to conduct the same experiment but he prefers to simply repeat his claim that they are a match. He would definitely not say that if he did the experiment.

 

[Solace]

A few years ago, I did a careful experiment with images of JonBenet's "stungun" marks and Doberson's pig experiment.

Using the rulers on the images, I made them life size - increasing the images by fractions of a milimetre until they perfectly aligned with a metal ruler I had purchased. Then I printed the images out on acetate and overlaid them.

It was an eery feeling to look at the image of Jonbenet and know that this was life size, but the bottom line is that the marks do NOT match up. The marks on JonBenet are much smaller and closer together. You only realise this when you do scale them to life size. They are little more than two tiny pin pricks compared to the pig marks which are rectangular in shape and which match the prongs on the stungun to perfection.

Over the years I have suggested several times to Bluecrab to conduct the same experiment but he prefers to simply repeat his claim that they are a match. He would definitely not say that if he did the experiment.

This is shocking. BlueCrab, why won't you conduct the experiment. And also, read up on Dr. Gelb and those pesky poly exams that he swears by. Thank you so much.

 

[BlueCrab]

Doberson also performed the first autopsy and FAILED to recognise them when they were right in front of him. That is a FACT which stungun theorists would prefer wasn't so.

Doberson is NOT an expert on stunguns. He didn't recognise a stungun injury when it was staring him in the face!

Jayelles,

Would you please source your assertion that Doberson performed the first autopsy on Boggs. Doberson is the Arapahoe County coroner, just outside of Denver. Boggs was murdered in Steamboat Springs, over 150 miles NW of Denver. Thanks.

BlueCrab