Sunday, 6/9/2013 Radio Show

[Lordeebee]

I'm going back through the transcript (THANKS AGAIN TXJAN!!!) and just putting some thoughts out there:



Mmmm…I…I won’t say that he’s happy. I think that there was uh…there was something on his mind, and, in many ways he was a little more distant with me than he might otherwise be. I mean, I don’t know how to explain it, and obviously I’ve had this conversation with law enforcement, and it was clear to me, and it’s clear to a lot of people that…that there was something going on with him, and I have no knowledge of what that is, and so, you know, I’m trying to make the most of that, and so, I picked him up from the airport,


Umm…he was perfectly fine, I mean he wasn’t necessarily acting abnormal by any means
We talked about what we always talk about when we go to Wal-Mart


and from there we had a conversation about getting something to eat

So he’s busy texting his friends um…making arrangements, because obviously we weren’t conversing with each other and you know one of the things he had asked me was could he go to his friends house.

you know, Dylan isn’t responding to any of that,

Well, and it is minor conflict.

there were times when we were talking and trying to better get am idea again of what we were gonna’ be doing for Thanksgiving. We had talked about going to my brother’s house. Um….you know, just…just little things like that. You know there would be times when we would start getting back into the movie and nothing was being said.

Well, I don’t know if any… if any information pertaining to any of the text messages that were sent other than the conversations that Dylan and I were having as it relates to him trying to make arrangements with his friend, so that if he was getting up with me at 6:30 as he had indicated that night that he would have the ability to get to his friend’s house and his friends would be aware that he was coming at such an early time in the morning.

which is something Dylan had acknowledged that he would be interested in doing



So my thought process was to go through this transcript and LOOK FOR DYLAN. What was he thinking? What was he feeling? What did he SAY? The above was the best I could find, and you know what I learned? Absolutely nothing. It's as though Dylan is mute and Mark is interpreting the way Dylan might be thinking. Why is there not ONE instance where there is a quoted reference to Dylan talking? I think it is typical for a person (especially a parent) to say, "And then he said, '.........'. Has LE ever tried to pin him down on what actually came out of Dylan's mouth? Boy, I sure hope so.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

BBM - But it is the details that trip guilty people up in interviews.

true, but it would also be interesting to see if he could give straight yes or no answers.

 

[caffeinejean]

Very good point Lordee. It appears the only real words we have to observe are Dylan's text to EH, and to his friends on Sunday and on Sunday evening Dylan's voice (words) STOP.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I'm going back through the transcript (THANKS AGAIN TXJAN!!!) and just putting some thoughts out there:



Mmmm…I…I won’t say that he’s happy. I think that there was uh…there was something on his mind, and, in many ways he was a little more distant with me than he might otherwise be. I mean, I don’t know how to explain it, and obviously I’ve had this conversation with law enforcement, and it was clear to me, and it’s clear to a lot of people that…that there was something going on with him, and I have no knowledge of what that is, and so, you know, I’m trying to make the most of that, and so, I picked him up from the airport,


Umm…he was perfectly fine, I mean he wasn’t necessarily acting abnormal by any means
We talked about what we always talk about when we go to Wal-Mart


and from there we had a conversation about getting something to eat

So he’s busy texting his friends um…making arrangements, because obviously we weren’t conversing with each other and you know one of the things he had asked me was could he go to his friends house.

you know, Dylan isn’t responding to any of that,

Well, and it is minor conflict.

there were times when we were talking and trying to better get am idea again of what we were gonna’ be doing for Thanksgiving. We had talked about going to my brother’s house. Um….you know, just…just little things like that. You know there would be times when we would start getting back into the movie and nothing was being said.

Well, I don’t know if any… if any information pertaining to any of the text messages that were sent other than the conversations that Dylan and I were having as it relates to him trying to make arrangements with his friend, so that if he was getting up with me at 6:30 as he had indicated that night that he would have the ability to get to his friend’s house and his friends would be aware that he was coming at such an early time in the morning.

which is something Dylan had acknowledged that he would be interested in doing



So my thought process was to go through this transcript and LOOK FOR DYLAN. What was he thinking? What was he feeling? What did he SAY? The above was the best I could find, and you know what I learned? Absolutely nothing. It's as though Dylan is mute and Mark is interpreting the way Dylan might be thinking. Why is there not ONE instance where there is a quoted reference to Dylan talking? I think it is typical for a person (especially a parent) to say, "And then he said, '.........'. Has LE ever tried to pin him down on what actually came out of Dylan's mouth? Boy, I sure hope so.

Excellent post! In literary analysis, this is described as treating someone as subject vs object. A subject is given a voice to speak, act and have meaning. An object does not have a voice and is spoken to, spoken of, acted upon but has no real ability to cause action or be viewed as something more than, well, an object. Jumped right out at me too.

 

[caffeinejean]

Excellent post! In literary analysis, this is described as treating someone as subject vs object. A subject is given a voice to speak, act and have meaning. An object does not have a voice and is spoken to, spoken of, acted upon but has no real ability to cause action or be viewed as something more than, well, an object. Jumped right out at me too.

Excellent post too, I think you and Lordeebee are on to something. In reviewing the TxJan1971 transcripts from the radio interview, the only instances I can find that come close to a direct quote or a semi-direct quote from anyone is when MR is referring to Dylan's friends. Otherwise it's just "indicated to me or acknowledged that or advised that". All very evasive answers to me. JMO

80:03
MR:
I was looking for … I was…I was more concerned about Dylan and, you know the…and…and trying to figure out where he might have been, and so, at some point, and this was probably about three hours after I had originally gotten home that I’m getting in my truck and I’m gonna’ go… I’m on a mission now. I’m going to find out where this boy of mine is at.

80:25
TG:
Mmm hmm. So you get in the truck

80:25
MR:
So the first place… I get in my truck. The first place I go is to his friend’s house that lives across from the marina. I knocked on the door, and I get no answer. So, I started to think, well maybe, you know this was obviously a time when all kids are out of school and there’s no reason for him not to be here unless maybe, by chance, he’s with Dylan and they did go fishing, so I’m driving by the lake looking for any signs of a couple boys being out on the shoreline fishing. I didn’t notice anything, but again, I’m trying to figure out where Dylan is and I want to make contact with him,

80:59
TG:
Mmm hmm.

80:59
MR:
so I proceeded on to the Bayfield area. I was able to go to another one of his friend’s house who lives in Bayfield and there was two of them that came to the door, and the first words out of my mouth were, “Have you seen or heard from Dylan today?” and their response was, “No, we’ve been trying to get a hold of him all day. We haven’t seen or heard from him either.”

81:21
TG:
Okay.

81:21
MR:
That’s when a panic button started to be applied, and I immediately went to the Bayfield Marshall’s Office to express my concerns about Dylan with them, and, in doing so, you know, they were obviously inputting whatever information they could into a computer database, and my understanding is it was linked to the…the various Police Departments in the county and the Sheriff’s Department and everybody was all on the same page at the click of a button, but as it turns out,

81:53
TG (interrupts):
Mmm hmm

81:53
MR:
that wasn’t necessarily the case.

81:56
TG:
Exactly, so you…you’re at this point thinking, Okay, they’re going to notify the Sheriff. You probably didn’t even really occur to you, you just assumed, law enforcement and everybody is going to be notified and everyone’s gonna’ go and…and start looking. What time was this? Approximately what time? You got home at 11:30. You’re at the Marshall’s Office, what time is that?

82:15
MR:
I’m guessing somewhere between 4:30 maybe 5:00 the latest.

82:20
TG:
Okay. So then, you…you tell the Marshall this. Then what happens?

82:26
MR:
Well…um…at that point they’re advising me that the best thing I can do is get back to the house in the event that Dylan’s up at the house -- he’s returned from wherever he may be, and so I proceed back up to where I live. In doing that, I again stopped by his friend’s house who lives up at the lake and knocked on the door again, and finally he came to the door. I told him that I had stopped by earlier, knocked on the door. He indicated that he had never heard the door…me knocking at the door, that he might have been up in a back bedroom and never heard it, and, you know, I expressed my concerns to him, and I… again, you know, he hadn’t seen or heard from Dylan and during that…all of that time, I received um…a message from my former wife indicating that she called the Sheriff’s Department. They had no record of me being at the Marshall’s Office. Shortly thereafter I got a phone call from my divorce attorney who had received a call from her divorce attorney and I’m…I’m trying to figure out…Who in the Hell calls their divorce attorney when we’re looking for a child here, but, you know, again, I was back to the house waiting for the Deputies to come…um…making sure that Dylan wasn’t back at the house and, you know, it was a false alarm, and all those kind of things.

83:49

 

[La Louve]

JMO but it seems like the story of MR stopping by the friend's house near the marina gets more embellished with every telling.

 

[caffeinejean]

JMO but it seems like the story of MR stopping by the friend's house near the marina gets more embellished with every telling.

That's so true, but also as I was just doing the dishes, I thought... it's as if MR stopped to confirm with the friend that he had been there previously. As if to talk him into that memory. It's sort of disgusting that the only afternoon alibis are Dylan's friends. This is a 52 year old man. Anyway, if MR's phone records (landline or cell), especially after 11:30am, show no evidence of him calling Dylan or anyone else, I think suspicion is justifiable. JMO


TRANSCRIPT: DR. PHIL SHOW

MINI CLIP:

CAPTION: Why Does Mark say he wasn’t too concerned about Dylan’s Disappearance when he first returned home?

(The mini clip – photo of MR alone video)
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1988/

Dr. Phil: So you get back at 11:30 and he’s gone…

MR: Right

Dr. Phil: Umm… and so you just laid down to take a nap

MR: Well, no… that… when I got back at 11:30, I didn’t think much of Dylan not being there. I mean, he knows the area, he’s been up to my house MANY times, there’s a campground at the end of the road that’s not (?) right by the river which he tends to go up to every now and then. There’s a bridge right down the street where it crosses over the river which he’s been known to hang out before. There’s a rock wall that’s right directly behind my house that he’s been known to go stompin around in the woods back there. I mean.. it didn’t… I didn’t find it… odd.. that he wasn’t sittin’ there waitin’ for me.

ER: In November?? Mid November??

MR: And you sent him…you sent him without a coat???

ER: Why is it always my fault? Why can’t you take any of the responsibility?

Dr. Phil: At 1:30 you wake up, he’s still not there?

MR: Right

Dr. Phil: Did something go off in your head then?

MR: Absolutely. This is when I’m calling him on his cell phone. I’m sending him text messages. I’m trying to communicate to him… you know… at some point I start realizing that you know this is not like Dylan.

 

[caffeinejean]

Now in Tricia's interview MR side steps answering about whether trying to call or text Dylan after he wakes up from his nap. He reverts to the dam turkey story texting Dylan while he is Durango. "Ya need anything Buddie". I wish Tricia had pinned him here. Did you try to reach Dylan after waking from your nap before you got into your truck or while you were in your truck or on your way to the friend at the marina or on your way around the lake or on your way to the Bayfield friends or on your way to the Marshall's office or on your way back to the friend at the marina or before arriving back to your home (during that 5.9 mile drive)????


78:35
TG:
Mmm hmm…and so…now you think he’s gone fishing. When did you start…uh…? First of all, did Dylan have…Dylan had a… you assume Dylan had his phone with him because it wasn’t home… he didn’t… it wasn’t anywhere, correct?

78:52
MR:
Well, absolutely, and I had been trying to communicate with him, you know

78:53
TG:
You had been trying to call him?

78:55
MR:
I tried to call and text message him while I was in the Durango area before I came home to see if there was anything that he needed or….you know, maybe talk to him and get some more concrete idea of what we might be doing being I was in town and I’m 45 minutes away, that it’s…you know, if we’re going to have Thanksgiving at the house here, then I want to be able to get a turkey a couple of days in advance and that kind of thing so, you know, there was a need for me to try to communicate to him while I was…before I came home from returning my errands

79:28
TG:
Did it go straight to voice mail or did…were you able to hear it ring and then leave a message?

79:33
MR:
No. It always…it always says, and he has Verizon cell phone service, and it always says

79:38
TG: (interrupts)
Mmm hmm.

79:38
MR:
something like, “Please listen to the music while your party

 

[Dee10]

That's so true, but also as I was just doing the dishes, I thought... it's as if MR stopped to confirm with the friend that he had been there previously. As if to talk him into that memory. It's sort of disgusting that the only afternoon alibis are Dylan's friends. This is a 52 year old man. Anyway, if MR's phone records (landline or cell), especially after 11:30am, show no evidence of him calling Dylan or anyone else, I think suspicion is justifiable. JMO


TRANSCRIPT: DR. PHIL SHOW

MINI CLIP:

CAPTION: Why Does Mark say he wasn’t too concerned about Dylan’s Disappearance when he first returned home?

(The mini clip – photo of MR alone video)
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/1988/

Dr. Phil: So you get back at 11:30 and he’s gone…

MR: Right

Dr. Phil: Umm… and so you just laid down to take a nap

MR: Well, no… that… when I got back at 11:30, I didn’t think much of Dylan not being there. I mean, he knows the area, he’s been up to my house MANY times, there’s a campground at the end of the road that’s not (?) right by the river which he tends to go up to every now and then. There’s a bridge right down the street where it crosses over the river which he’s been known to hang out before. There’s a rock wall that’s right directly behind my house that he’s been known to go stompin around in the woods back there. I mean.. it didn’t… I didn’t find it… odd.. that he wasn’t sittin’ there waitin’ for me.

ER: In November?? Mid November??

MR: And you sent him…you sent him without a coat???

ER: Why is it always my fault? Why can’t you take any of the responsibility?

Dr. Phil: At 1:30 you wake up, he’s still not there?

MR: Right

Dr. Phil: Did something go off in your head then?

MR: Absolutely. This is when I’m calling him on his cell phone. I’m sending him text messages. I’m trying to communicate to him… you know… at some point I start realizing that you know this is not like Dylan.

Underlined by me vs. he told Tricia:

MR:
Well, yeah. I mean it was a couple hours of him not showing his face that I started to become concerned and a little bit alerted, I mean I’m not pushing the panic button by any means but, you know, I’m… I’m…at this point, I want to know where the boy is and I want to know that he’s okay, and I want to know, you know, that he’s in a safe environment, so that’s when

76:49
TG:
This is after a couple hours, right?

76:50
MR:
It was a couple of hours, yeah,

TG:
Okay.

76:53
MR:
and so at some point I lay down and took a brief nap. I mean it’s not like I fell asleep for three hours and… or anything like that. I lay down for a little while and thinking that he’d still walk in the door. To be honest with you, it probably wasn’t much of a nap at all.

TG:
Mmm hmm.

77:08
MR:
It was just an opportunity for me to lie down.

77:10
TG:
For what? Say 10, 15, 30 minutes? Do you have any idea?

77:13
MR:
Uh….I would say probably about 30…45 minutes maybe.



Gets home at 11:30
12:45 to 1:00 - Has Nap (1/2 hr. to 45 mins. he told Tricia)
1:30 - Wakes up & texts Tells Dr. Phil

What happens at 2:30?

 

[Lordeebee]

looking for the fishing pole?

It sure sounds like a 2-hour nap in the Dr. Phil version doesn't it? But I guess its all moot anyway since its just his own account -- no confirmation.

 

[Ghostwheel]

...Transcript snipped for space...

So my thought process was to go through this transcript and LOOK FOR DYLAN. What was he thinking? What was he feeling? What did he SAY? The above was the best I could find, and you know what I learned? Absolutely nothing. It's as though Dylan is mute and Mark is interpreting the way Dylan might be thinking. Why is there not ONE instance where there is a quoted reference to Dylan talking? I think it is typical for a person (especially a parent) to say, "And then he said, '.........'. Has LE ever tried to pin him down on what actually came out of Dylan's mouth? Boy, I sure hope so.

IMO, it's like the difference between telling a story about what happened as opposed to talking about interactions with someone. I know he refers to people saying things because of the following excerpts below from the transcript. He uses it when speaking about himself speaking and about Elaine speaking. But there is no "Brandon said" to clarify what Brandon really said. There is no "Dylan's friend said" to specify that Dylan's friend said he didn't hear the door. (the friend might have just said "I've been home back in my room all day"-indicating that he hadn't heard the door). And there is only "he had asked" when referring to Dylan, which means Dylan had asked previously to the time that Mark was speaking about. He uses "indicated" when speaking about Dylan, Dylan's friend or Elaine's friend, but not when speaking about Elaine or Brandon. IMO, it's like the word "indicated" means Mark is not willing to say what the real conversation was, doesn't actually remember what the real conversation was, or just felt like someone was indicating something. (Like if you look at someone and roll your eyes, it's indicating impatience, frustration, etc, but you never actually said anything). It strikes me as intriguing because it is such a different way of speaking than anyone I know. Elaine's way of speaking does not have that intriguing quality to me. It seems more direct, even if emotional (which makes sense to me).

"based on what Elaine said that there are flyers being done in multiple different languages that can be distributed throughout the world"

"Well, I did, because I’m not gonna’ take Elaine’s word for it based on the way she said it "

"addressed that with Elaine, and basically what I said to her was that I was asking her to take the “War” out of being a “Warrior” "

" I said, “That’s not right! I’m telling you that Dylan was sitting on the end of the couch texting somebody"

"you know, I arguing that I said that it was…it was ridiculous to be looking for Dylan in this location"

"because obviously we weren’t conversing with each other and you know one of the things he had asked me was could he go to his friends house"

 

[TxJan1971]

looking for the fishing pole?

It sure sounds like a 2-hour nap in the Dr. Phil version doesn't it? But I guess its all moot anyway since its just his own account -- no confirmation.

BBM

Don't forget about the interview with Melissa Blasius statement for comparison to what was said on Dr. Phil (posted above) and Tricia's Radio Show (posted above).

Melissa Blasius
MR:
Well, when I got home (@11:30 as reported) and he wasn’t here I didn’t think much of it at the time, because it’s not unlike him to go wandering off. He’ll walk down to the river across the street or you know he might go up into the campground where he can be next to the river up there. I didn’t think a whole lot of it.

And, I had laid down and took a nap, which is something I try to do as much as I can when I’m not working because we always work, you know, 14-hour days. It feels good to be home.

And, it was probably 2:30 by the time I realized that Dylan still is not home and so I’m thinkin’ well, if he ain’t gonna’ return my text messages and I ain’t hearing my phone ringing ‘cos he ain’t calling me, I need to go find that boy

JMOO, MOO, :moo: :bang:

 

[katydid23]

Underlined by me vs. he told Tricia:

MR:
Well, yeah. I mean it was a couple hours of him not showing his face that I started to become concerned and a little bit alerted, I mean I’m not pushing the panic button by any means but, you know, I’m… I’m…at this point, I want to know where the boy is and I want to know that he’s okay, and I want to know, you know, that he’s in a safe environment, so that’s when

76:49
TG:
This is after a couple hours, right?

76:50
MR:
It was a couple of hours, yeah,

TG:
Okay.

76:53
MR:
and so at some point I lay down and took a brief nap. I mean it’s not like I fell asleep for three hours and… or anything like that. I lay down for a little while and thinking that he’d still walk in the door. To be honest with you, it probably wasn’t much of a nap at all.

TG:
Mmm hmm.

77:08
MR:
It was just an opportunity for me to lie down.

77:10
TG:
For what? Say 10, 15, 30 minutes? Do you have any idea?

77:13
MR:
Uh….I would say probably about 30…45 minutes maybe.



Gets home at 11:30
12:45 to 1:00 - Has Nap (1/2 hr. to 45 mins. he told Tricia)
1:30 - Wakes up & texts Tells Dr. Phil

What happens at 2:30?

And last Sunday he told Tricia he did not take notice that Dylan was still not home until 2:30. And he was very specific about the time.

 

[katydid23]

looking for the fishing pole?

It sure sounds like a 2-hour nap in the Dr. Phil version doesn't it? But I guess its all moot anyway since its just his own account -- no confirmation.

In my opinion, he needed to come home and lay low, and wait for daylight to wane, so he could stall the official 'missing person' report until darkness.

 

[katydid23]

46:49
MR:
Well…the…the…the two things that weren’t accomplished were, obviously neither one of us received an invitation from the other for dinner to sit around and talk about old times,

TG:
Mmm hmmm..

47:01
MR:
…but, more importantly, I don’t think that either one of us has changed our opinion of the other or what we…what we have in the way of a theory that implicates each other. That being said…I…I…I think that it’s impossible for both of us to be right, but it’s not impossible, by any means, for both of us to be wrong,
========================================================


I think it is fascinating, that the very first thing that Mark points out about that long mediation, the very first thing he discusses, is that :

"obviously neither one of us received an invitation from the other for dinner to sit around and talk about old times.."


Why is going to dinner with Elaine and reminiscing such an important thing for him to make it the FIRST thing he points out?

And IIRC, he talked about the very same fantasy previously. He discussed wanting to go to dinner with Elaine and 'uniting.' I think it is very important, that he clings to that 'hope'. JMO

 

[Lordeebee]

In my opinion, he needed to come home and lay low, and wait for daylight to wane, so he could stall the official 'missing person' report until darkness.

Pretty much!

 

[Lordeebee]

BBM

Don't forget about the interview with Melissa Blasius statement for comparison to what was said on Dr. Phil (posted above) and Tricia's Radio Show (posted above).

Melissa Blasius
MR:
Well, when I got home (@11:30 as reported) and he wasn’t here I didn’t think much of it at the time, because it’s not unlike him to go wandering off. He’ll walk down to the river across the street or you know he might go up into the campground where he can be next to the river up there. I didn’t think a whole lot of it.

And, I had laid down and took a nap, which is something I try to do as much as I can when I’m not working because we always work, you know, 14-hour days. It feels good to be home.

And, it was probably 2:30 by the time I realized that Dylan still is not home and so I’m thinkin’ well, if he ain’t gonna’ return my text messages and I ain’t hearing my phone ringing ‘cos he ain’t calling me, I need to go find that boy

JMOO, MOO, :moo: :bang:

looking more like a 3 hr nap huh?

 

[TxJan1971]

looking more like a 3 hr nap huh?

:cheers:

But it does, however, truly depend on which statement you choose to believe, or not believe, or be on the fence, or continue to scratch your head, or...
etc. etc. etc.

:wink:

 

[TxJan1971]

Does anyone remember if Dylan's flight was on time or late arriving?

 

[katydid23]

:cheers:

But it does, however, truly depend on which statement you choose to believe, or not believe, or be on the fence, or continue to scratch your head, or...
etc. etc. etc.

:wink:

Before MR gave all of these recent rambling interviews, people here gave him some credible explanations for Monday's scenario. They speculated that Dylan had no cell service available and no alternative ways to communicate with anyone.

And they made a very strong case for MR, that he arrived home and assumed that D had gotten a ride to Bayfield, because his pack was gone and he knew how enthusiastic he was about seeing his friends.

Those ^^^^ explanations make sense. But since then, Mark has added new facts which change this scenario.

Now we know
---there was cell service in the cabin, enough for texting at the very least, and three other ways to communicate as well. [ landline, computer w/wifi, iPod.]

---Mark did not assume that D had gone to Bayfield. He says that he thought D was 'playing' outside somewhere. He assumed he would return soon.

---Mark had not noticed the backpack was missing. In fact, he says he did not even think to check for the backpack until LE asked him about it.

---Mark did not notice that Dylan was still not home until 2:30 pm.