Supreme Court Nominee #2

[EuTuCroquet?]

The Ford-Kavanaugh Hearings and 3 Inextricable Links Between Sexual Assaults, Narcissism and the “Cult of Masculinity”

In so doing we watched men, and their accomplices, work together in a predictable to enforce strict adherence — of the dupers and duped alike — to “the cult of masculinity” and its coveted “code of silence.”

Women and girls however are not the only victims of sexual assault by men. Boys and men are assaulted, perhaps in far greater number than they are free to admit.

Once a member of the “Cult of Masculinity”, for example, Terry Crews regularly speaks out after he experienced the cult’s reaction to his breaking the “code of silence” when he revealed he was sexually assaulted by his agent in the film industry. In his words:

“Growing up…asking friends how to talk to a girl … I was told to lie to her, to keep her off-balance. Having “game” was all about manipulating girls, getting them to give you sex, then tossing them aside. As a man, you’re also taught to keep your girl in check, to maintain control. But you cannot control someone and love them at the same time. You only control things that are beneath you.”

“I was a card-carrying member of the cult of masculinity. I and other young men in my community watched our mothers and sisters be abused, which taught us that we were worth more than the women in our lives.”

In lay terms, this predictable pattern is known as gaslighting. In research, psychologist Dr. Jennifer Freyd identified and labeled the pattern D.A.R.V.O.: “Deny. Attack. Reverse Victim and Offender.” in her studies of male sexual assault of women.​

 

[mickey2942]

A two question polygraph? That is completely not even worth evidentiary review. Even if it was admissible as evidence.

A real polygraph test takes at least an hour. There are baseline questions, false positives, questions about whether or not you have taken drugs or medications prior to the test. There are lead up questions, follow up questions, and randomized control questions interspersed during the test.

Two questions? "She passed" okay, call it done. Not worth the time of day to even discuss. Irrelevant.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

He liked beer, alright.

FBI begins investigation, Kavanaugh's college friend remembers him as heavy drinker

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Interesting. Tangentially, I wonder who is/has been paying for his defense? Do we know?

Brett Kavanaugh Family GoFundMe Page Raises $400,000 | Heavy.com

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Kavanaugh could still remove himself as the nominee and end this dumpster fire, imo.

WATCH: Sens. Coons and Flake Agree If There is Proof Kavanaugh Lied to the Committee the Nomination’s Over

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Activists gather in Eugene to protest Kavanaugh and celebrate FBI investigation

One organizer told us that it was not only a celebration, but they were also protesting the unjust treatment of women and sexual assault survivors.

She says that the backlash towards Blasey-Ford shows that there is more progress to be made.

"We have been treated badly, sexual abuse has been hidden, and as a survivor I know nobody believed me," said Pam Garrison. "It started when I was ten and nobody believed me. And what that does to people is it changes your whole life."​

 

[Mica]

Ford was asked if she payed for the polygraph and she replied "I don't think so". She was then asked if she knew who did pay for it and she said "Not yet no".

Maybe she was clueless about who was paying. I hope she doesn't get a bill for it.

Doesn't look like Ford will be getting any bills.

There are GoFundMe accounts and her attorneys went on the record saying "“Her lawyers have paid for her polygraph.” “As is routine.”


And this...

RACHEL MILLER: Besides -- you mentioned some GoFundMe accounts. Besides those, are there any other efforts outside of your own personal finances to pay for your legal fees or any of the costs occurred -- incurred?

DR. CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD: It's my understanding that some of my team is working on a pro bono basis, but I don't know the exact details. There are members of the community in Palo Alto that have the means to contribute to help me with the security detail, et cetera.

MILLER: Have you been provided --

MICHAEL BROMWICH, ATTORNEY FOR DR. FORD: I can help you with that. Both counsel are doing this pro bono. we are not being paid and have no expectation of being paid.

Ford: Feinstein Gave Me Advice On Attorneys

 

[mickey2942]

Does everyone have a "GoFundMe" page? Geez, I broke a nail today, I better get my "page" going.

 

[Fairy1]

What a sight. Can't say as I have ever seen such an expression in my life until now.
Also nice that people that support Kavanaugh are suddenly concerned for the well being of Ford due to the identity leak. IMO

Really? He made the same snarling, sneering, smirking faces Trump makes every time he speaks publicly. So did Lindsey Graham. Must be a thing now.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

A two question polygraph? That is completely not even worth evidentiary review. Even if it was admissible as evidence.

A real polygraph test takes at least an hour. There are baseline questions, false positives, questions about whether or not you have taken drugs or medications prior to the test. There are lead up questions, follow up questions, and randomized control questions interspersed during the test.

Two questions? "She passed" okay, call it done. Not worth the time of day to even discuss. Irrelevant.

I'm sure that there where baseline and other questions. However only asking two evidential questions that are almost one question?

Why not ask if she knew the people that she claimed were involved? Or other obvious questions.

The minimal amount of questions was purposeful in my opinion.

 

[MyBelle]

A two question polygraph? That is completely not even worth evidentiary review. Even if it was admissible as evidence.

A real polygraph test takes at least an hour. There are baseline questions, false positives, questions about whether or not you have taken drugs or medications prior to the test. There are lead up questions, follow up questions, and randomized control questions interspersed during the test.

Two questions? "She passed" okay, call it done. Not worth the time of day to even discuss. Irrelevant.

ITA. I think this is why the FBI will focus more on her therapist's notes and compare them to her testimony.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Americans are divided over Ford and Kavanaugh, but not as much as you may think

Far from being irrevocably divided, our nation has never been more united, at least when it comes to what constitutes acceptable treatment of women.

Americans remain far apart over whether to accept Kavanaugh’s denials. But when it comes to Ford, most Americans believed her, including the Republican senators who are determined to see Kavanaugh confirmed.

This may be the most important revelation of last Thursday and beyond: Kavanaugh’s biggest cheerleaders insist that Ford was credible.

Many wanted to have it both ways, comparing Ford’s plight to Kavanaugh’s. “She’s as much a victim as you are,” Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said to Kavanaugh on Thursday.

But in so doing, they were still doing something revolutionary: “I do believe something happened to her,” Graham said Friday. He was far from the only one.

“I think the way Dr. Ford and Judge Kavanaugh have been treated is a scandal,” agreed Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) on Friday. “And it is cruel, reckless and indecent.”

“I think Dr. Ford is a victim, and I think she’s been through hell and I’m very sympathetic to her,” Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) said.
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[MyBelle]

I'm sure that there where baseline and other questions. However only asking two evidential questions that are almost one question?

Why not ask if she knew the people that she claimed were involved? Or other obvious questions.

The minimal amount of questions was purposeful in my opinion.

The goal was to make sure she passed. JMO

 

[SeesSeas]

I think the therapists notes will have far more value to the FBI than a two-question poly..

Without witness consent, FBI won't have the therapist's notes.
. . . "in such investigations, agents do not pull records or seek other information that either confirms or contradicts what the witness has said."
Former Tampa agent lays out how FBI will conduct Kavanaugh investigation
Updated: September 30, 2018 at 07:14 PM
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Humphries said that agents, typically working in pairs, will visit witnesses selected by the end user, in this case the White House. The agents will seek permission to conduct an interview and then ask a series of questions. The witnesses do not generally raise their right hands and swear that their testimony is true, but the understanding is that they are speaking to an FBI agent voluntarily, and making a false statement is a violation of federal law.

The New York Times reported that Judge will be asked about both the Swetnick and Ramirez accusations as well.

Humphries said that in such investigations, agents do not pull records or seek other information that either confirms or contradicts what the witness has said. To do so requires consent of the witness or, in the case of a criminal investigation, a subpoena. There has been consternation by opponents of Kavanaugh that the FBI isn’t seeking the employment records of Judge to confirm he was working at a supermarket during the time period suggested by Ford’s Senate testimony.

The notes are then typed into a form for review by supervisors, Humphries said. The electronic version of the forms contain language stating that agents have provided no recommendations or conclusions about the interviews they’ve conducted.

However, Humphries said that if agents feel strongly that a witness is lying, they will have a discussion with supervisors and, if warranted, complete another form including details about why there is doubt about what the witness has said and a recommendation on whether to pursue additional questioning or seek documents.
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[Fairy1]

By all accounts I've seen today, the scope of the FBI investigation is quite limited. Can't really say I'm surprised but I am disappointed. If Kavanaugh is appointed to the SC, as I believe he will be, I guess we can say it's a safe haven for sexual abusers. Much like the Catholic church is a safe haven for child molesters.

What a sad time for the USA.

 

[KALI]

I Swear. I feel like Judge Kavanaugh is being made a target for any woman who has ever been assaulted.
What about the 69 women who wrote and signed a letter to the senate, praising him as a fair boss who never assaulted them in anyway whatsoever. To the contrary, they say he was an outstanding human being!
Many who have known him for 30 years?

So, those women's voices do not matter?
I think that they do matter. Politics be damned.

These women have something to say. They know and have worked with Judge K. For decades.
Their statements mean much more to me, versus the accusers.
In my really sincere opinion.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Democrats Denounce Limits on F.B.I.’s Kavanaugh Inquiry as a ‘Farce’

In testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday, Judge Kavanaugh also denied the possibility that he had ever drunk alcohol to the point of blacking out. But Mr. Ludington, a former basketball player at Yale, said in a statement that he could “unequivocally say” that Judge Kavanaugh had “not told the truth.”

He said Judge Kavanaugh had often become “belligerent and aggressive” while intoxicated during his first two years at Yale. Mr. Ludington recalled one incident in which he said Judge Kavanaugh threw a beer in someone’s face, “starting a fight that ended with one of our mutual friends in jail.”​

 

[kimlynn]

Really? He made the same snarling, sneering, smirking faces Trump makes every time he speaks publicly. So did Lindsey Graham. Must be a thing now.

You're right how could I forget those but I think the face of Kavanaugh is more exaggerated and unexpected.
He does seem to have caught whatever ailed Trump with the excessive snorting. IMO

 

[mickey2942]

^^^Interesting. I wonder how it breaks out in terms of response from men and women?

My own "Old White Man", Republican to the core, thinks it is crazy. However, he is biased, with his "MAGA" hat.

I am still open minded, and believe that the entire situation merits review. What the FBI determines should be sufficient, and move forward to the Senate. I don't think Kavanaugh will pass though. Too close, and I believe several Senators will cross party lines over this issue.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

The FBI's investigation into Kavanaugh is far more constrained than previously known, and experts say 'it would be comical if it wasn't so important'

A steady trickle of revelations over the weekend indicates that the FBI's supplemental background check into Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh is much more limited than previously known.
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The White House counsel Don McGahn, who is in charge of guiding Kavanaugh's confirmation process, is also directing the FBI on the scope of its background check.

"That seems like a clear conflict of interest," said Carl Tobias, the Williams Chair in Law at the University of Richmond and an expert on federal judicial selection.

Norm Eisen, who served as the Special Counsel for Ethics and Government Reform under President Barack Obama, said he helped vet "hundreds" of presidential nominees when he worked at the White House.

"Every one got an FBI background check," he added. "We never told the FBI which witnesses they could and could not interview. It's not just [Democrats] who want an investigation--so do Flake, Collins & Murkowski. But it must be a real one."​