Supreme Court Nominee #3

[CARIIS]

Yet, 6 FBI background checks for security clearance through the years in addition to this most recent supplemental check didn't pick up on any of this? Amazing, huh. Opinions aren't facts. The FBI has the facts.


From FAQS - Security Clearances

13. Why would I be denied a security clearance?

Various reasons exist for why someone may be denied a security clearance. The most important factors in an investigation are the individual's honesty, candor, and thoroughness in the completion of their security clearance forms. Every case is individually assessed, using the Security Executive Directive 4: National Security Adjudicative Guidelines, to determine whether the granting or continuing of eligibility for a security clearance is clearly consistent with the interests of national security.

The adjudicative guidelines include: Allegiance to the United States; Foreign Influence; Foreign Preference; Sexual Behavior; Personal Conduct; Financial Considerations; Alcohol Consumption; Drug Involvement and Substance Misuse; Psychological Conditions; Criminal Conduct; Handling Protected Information; Outside Activities; and Use of Information Technology.

FAQs


Code of Federal Regulations - Adjudicative Guidelines

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2012-title32-vol1/xml/CFR-2012-title32-vol1-part147.xml

we all learned something . Background checks are not what we think.
The white house is the client. If your client does not want yellow chairs you don't do it.

It is basically a political dance. I think we all are gonna have to accept he is gonna be there for a little bit. Thankfully the holidays are coming - so that will keep them all (SC) out of action for a while.

I dont understand a lot about the SC . At this point with him in - we have to hope that their dance to get the 32 felony pleas /indictments in the other issues cleared goes slow or something.

That is why they picked Kav - to get those 32 items (plus the ones coming before this case is heard) pardoned.

Do SC rulings often take a really long time?

 

[BingoBongo]

That is why a smart thing to do is ask the students of that time and place what it means.

We always said fart. Never heard the term fluffing for farting. Must be regional.

Southern California.

Google Fluff and Fart, you'll see a multitude of listings, some you might find objectionable.

 

[CARIIS]

I am with you Elley Mae, i keep reading how he lied under oath, committed perjury etc.. but i have yet to see a side by side comparison of his words vs. the factual truth. Show me that and i will agree. It is quite simple really.

hi my cool !

Your wish is my command ! See above post. I watched the hearings in their entirety.

There were several other overt perjured that occurred before Ford tragedy broke.

The receiving and using stolen emails against dems years ago is the one that came to mind. Caused the big moment (after he lied and lied and then bam there was the email to him talking about spying and moles and stuff was right there - just like in Perry Mason TV show ! )It stood out in my memory!))

I will try to remember and find the testimony of him lying under oath the other times- it was as used to be said a Perry Mason moment!

n court proceedings in the United States, a Perry Mason moment is said to have occurred whenever information is unexpectedly (to most present), and often dramatically, introduced into the record that changes the perception of the proceedings greatly and often influences the outcome.

https://www.google.com/search?q=per.....69i57j0l3.6711j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[Hope4More]

Assuming Kavanaugh is confirmed later today, will he be sworn in immediately? Please share link if you find

The swearing in of the last extremely controversial justice, Clarence Thomas, may provide clues as to how K's will be handled.

The WH was concerned that evidence supporting Hill's allegations might emerge between T's confirmation and swearing in. In fact, the WaPo was preparing to run just such an article. The article would have included information provided to the WaPo by the owner of an adult video store owner, who stated that Thomas in fact had been a regular customer for many years.

The swearing in of Thomas was to take place 2 weeks after his confirmation. The WH first arranged what amounted to a staged swearing in of Thomas, likely calculated to present his confirmation as a faite accompli. When they caught wind of the WaPo's article, they made extreme haste in arranging for Thomas to actually be sworn in, late at night, iirc, and with zero pomp or circumstance, one week early. The WaPo killed the story.

Moral of the story: I believe K will be sworn in at the earliest possible moment, and for similar reasons.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Yes. Look at every single ruling regarding illegal immigration, or immigration law. The byzantine interpretation of the immigration laws, as interpreted by the 9th circuit are ridiculous. The judges take some sort of twisted glee to completely derail work done by USCIS, on a consistent basis. Like USCIS is the "enemy", rather than actual law Enforcement officers doing their jobs.
That is a problem. Stays for deportation are routine. It is frustrating for people who are honestly, performing their jobs.

The fact that the rulings are generally overturned, by SCOTUS, is irrelevant. By that time, an illegal alien has been allowed to continue illegal activity for years. One step forward, two back.

The 9th circuit seems to have decided that the Executive branch of the government is the "enemy", that they have to thwart and defeat.

Links, please? TIA!!!

 

[Hope4More]

we all learned something . Background checks are not what we think.
The white house is the client. If your client does not want yellow chairs you don't do it.

It is basically a political dance. I think we all are gonna have to accept he is gonna be there for a little bit. Thankfully the holidays are coming - so that will keep them all (SC) out of action for a while.

I dont understand a lot about the SC . At this point with him in - we have to hope that their dance to get the 32 felony pleas /indictments in the other issues cleared goes slow or something.

That is why they picked Kav - to get those 32 items (plus the ones coming before this case is heard) pardoned.

Do SC rulings often take a really long time?

1. Background checks are made to order, and since neither the public or the media has , or will ever have, any access to any of K's background checks, it is ridiculous for anyone to assert with certainty the background checks were thorough, or that any of the background checks addressed his drinking or HS/college era drunken bad treatment of women.

 

[CoolJ]

hi my cool !

Your wish is my command ! See above post. I watched the hearings in their entirety.

There were several other overt perjured that occurred before Ford tragedy broke.

The receiving and using stolen emails against dems years ago is the one that came to mind. Caused the big moment (after he lied and lied and then bam there was the email to him talking about spying and moles and stuff was right there - just like in Perry Mason TV show ! )It stood out in my memory!))

I will try to remember and find the testimony of him lying under oath the other times- it was as used to be said a Perry Mason moment!

n court proceedings in the United States, a Perry Mason moment is said to have occurred whenever information is unexpectedly (to most present), and often dramatically, introduced into the record that changes the perception of the proceedings greatly and often influences the outcome.

https://www.google.com/search?q=per.....69i57j0l3.6711j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

My friend CARIIS , i have seen all of this , but i don't see any outright lies. I see him blowing off corrupt activities for sure, but i do not see him stating something that is in opposition to the truth.

 

[BingoBongo]

It’s a shame he doesn’t use his superpower for good, imo.

This is exactly why so many take issue with the those who are protesting. Snark.

 

[BingoBongo]

1. Background checks are made to order, and since neither the public or the media has , or will ever have, any access to any of K's background checks, it is ridiculous for anyone to assert with certainty the background checks were thorough, or that any of the background checks addressed his drinking or HS/college era drunken bad treatment of women.

How do you know the background checks are "made to order"? Proof?

We don't have access as it's not the norm for the details (personal and otherwise) of FBI investigations of this nature to be made public.

You, nor I, know with any surety whether the drinking was addressed - why would you think the FBI would not address those issues since they were such a huge part of the accusations?

 

[CoolJ]

1. Background checks are made to order, and since neither the public or the media has , or will ever have, any access to any of K's background checks, it is ridiculous for anyone to assert with certainty the background checks were thorough, or that any of the background checks addressed his drinking or HS/college era drunken bad treatment of women.

This is turning into a strawman argument.

The question at hand is whether or not BK sexually assaulted Dr. Ford.

There are checks and balances, audits and investigations to determine whether one is suitable for a position on SCOTUS. Whether or not those procedures are thorough is a totally different discussion.

Again, the question at hand is whether these allegations of sexual assault should be considered in that process.

 

[BingoBongo]

She DID the right thing, at a huge cost to herself and to her family. It isn't her fault that doing the right thing made her someone that the president of the United States, Senate republicans, and the Federalist Society felt entitled to destroy in pursuit of their own ends.

Nor is it her fault so many of my fellow Americans, though thankfully a minority within a minority, were willing to laugh along with the president as he mocked her, and to abet the politicians trying to diminish and malign her.

But it's okay for some in the country to try to destroy Kavanaugh based on unproveable claims? Claims that in fact, are not corroborated by those who were named as witnesses by Ford?

I don't see many trying to "diminish" her. Sure, there are those who are so mired in their hate that they cannot have a reasonable outlook, but there are many, many more who are just trying to get at the truth.

Her credibility is in serious question based on her actions, her claims, her obvious erroneous comments...and apparently even the FBI see that.

 

[BingoBongo]

LOL, another one bites the dust.

I would imagine there are records of flights taken over the years. I would be interested in knowing the total mileage if anyone has proof of that.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Collins called a 'traitor' of women, Trump tweets amid growing protests

Protests build on Capitol Hill ahead of Brett Kavanaugh vote

"I can't understand how a woman could turn her back on other women," said Alethea Shapiro, who called Sen. Susan Collins a "traitor."

For the second weekend in a row, Alethea Shapiro traveled from Long Island, New York, to Washington, D.C., to protest the confirmation of President Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

On Saturday, hours ahead of the Senate's vote to confirm Kavanaugh, Shapiro joined hundreds of women and men protesting on Capitol Hill...

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

First lady Melania Trump says Brett Kavanaugh 'highly qualified'

"I’m glad that Dr. Ford was heard; I'm glad that Judge Kavanaugh was heard," she added.

 

[Hope4More]

This is turning into a strawman argument.

The question at hand is whether or not BK sexually assaulted Dr. Ford.

There are checks and balances, audits and investigations to determine whether one is suitable for a position on SCOTUS. Whether or not those procedures are thorough is a totally different discussion.

Again, the question at hand is whether these allegations of sexual assault should be considered in that process.

Please list the "checks & balances, audits & investigations" you claim exist/are conducted to assess the " suitability " of SC nominees.

And, you are entitled to think the sexual assault allegations are the only issue being discussed or worthy of discussion, but I don't, on either count.

What I'm far more interested in at the moment, because it is relevant now and will continue to be for a long time (for good or for ill) is whether or not K committed perjury. Not whether he lied- he clearly did, repeatedly, but whether or not he committed perjury during his nomination hearings.

Having access to the 97% of his records withheld by the WH & Senate republicans is necessary to determine the full extent of his evasions, half-truths, and lies by omission, as well as the key question whether or not he committed actionable perjury.

 

[BingoBongo]

Collins called a 'traitor' of women, Trump tweets amid growing protests

Protests build on Capitol Hill ahead of Brett Kavanaugh vote

"I can't understand how a woman could turn her back on other women," said Alethea Shapiro, who called Sen. Susan Collins a "traitor."

For the second weekend in a row, Alethea Shapiro traveled from Long Island, New York, to Washington, D.C., to protest the confirmation of President Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh.

On Saturday, hours ahead of the Senate's vote to confirm Kavanaugh, Shapiro joined hundreds of women and men protesting on Capitol Hill...

This is what I REALLY don't understand.

Why do so many who are so filled with anger/hate feel that those voting for, or insupport of Kavanaugh hate women?

This is NOT an either/or situation.

What many of these protesters present is a classic straw man argument.

"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, *while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent*."

 

[Elley Mae]

I would imagine there are records of flights taken over the years. I would be interested in knowing the total mileage if anyone has proof of that.

Not records just some that are known.

Under questioning, Ford acknowledged she traveled "in a plane" and that she does so for vacation, and "once a year during the summer" to visit family in Delaware.

Maricopa County, Ariz., sex crimes prosecutor Rachel Mitchell, who represented Republicans in questioning Ford, inquired about her interest in Pacific destinations.

"I also saw on your CV that you list the following interests of travel, and you, in parentheses put 'Hawaii, Costa Rica, South Pacific islands, and French Polynesia,'" Mitchell said. "Have you been to all this places?"

"Yes," Ford said, acknowledging she traveled by plane and adding later, "It's easier for me to travel going that direction when it's a vacation."

Christine Blasey Ford says she flies frequently, despite fear of flying


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Evidently there is a difference in flying west to east and back then it is flying south and back north.

 

[Hope4More]

Texts between 2 of K's Yale circle, one of whom witnessed what he did to Rameriz, and had been instructed directly by K to "not say anything bad," have been released.

That witness texted the other Yalie: "DON'T F*ING TELL PEOPLE THAT BRETT GOT IN TOUCH WITH ME!!! I TOLD YOU THAT WAS IN CONFIDENCE!!"

(caps in original).

Hurry up that swearing in, eh?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Tangentially related. I wonder if something similar will happen to anything with Kavanaugh's name on it?

Students demand Clarence Thomas’ name be stripped from building where he was altar boy

Students and alumni at the Savannah College of Art and Design in Georgia are petitioning the prestigious art school to strip Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’ name from an academic building.

The petition on Change.org is called “Take A Sexual Predator’s Name Off of SCAD’s Building” and had more than 1,000 signatures by Friday morning.

“I don’t want any other female who has hopes and dreams to have to walk through the doors of that building. They shouldn’t have to be subjugated to that toxic feeling,” said recent graduate Sage Lucero, who started the petition, according to WJCL. .
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[Mica]

Tangentially related. I wonder if something similar will happen to anything with Kavanaugh's name on it?

Students demand Clarence Thomas’ name be stripped from building where he was altar boy

Students and alumni at the Savannah College of Art and Design in Georgia are petitioning the prestigious art school to strip Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’ name from an academic building.

The petition on Change.org is called “Take A Sexual Predator’s Name Off of SCAD’s Building” and had more than 1,000 signatures by Friday morning.

“I don’t want any other female who has hopes and dreams to have to walk through the doors of that building. They shouldn’t have to be subjugated to that toxic feeling,” said recent graduate Sage Lucero, who started the petition, according to WJCL. .
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Unhinged behavior, IMO.