Supreme Court Nominee

[Inthedetails]

Today's affidavit information is similar to what the ex-girlfriend of Judge (Kavanaugh's) friend has related:

"In fact, Rasor alleges that Judge admitted to engaging in an arguably far more disturbing act, saying he 'ashamedly' told her of an incident in which he and other boys took turns 'having sex with a drunk woman.'"

Who is Elizabeth Rasor? Mark Judge's ex-girlfriend recalls Kavanaugh's teenage years at Georgetown Prep

 

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Today's affidavit information is similar to what the ex-girlfriend of Judge (Kavanaugh's) friend has related:

"In fact, Rasor alleges that Judge admitted to engaging in an arguably far more disturbing act, saying he 'ashamedly' told her of an incident in which he and other boys took turns 'having sex with a drunk woman.'"

Who is Elizabeth Rasor? Mark Judge's ex-girlfriend recalls Kavanaugh's teenage years at Georgetown Prep

That’s potentially accessory to a felony, which could be a felony in and of itself. Holy moly. How the worm turns.

ETA: Granted, obviously, there’s probably a statute of limitations for rape and sexual assault, but these are hearing we’re talking about at this point, not criminal charges or a criminal trial.

 

[BingoBongo]

Apologies if already shared.

At least 600 Yale alumnae stand with new Kavanaugh accuser Deborah Ramirez in open letter



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Not sure I understand the legal significance of this. It doesn't matter how many women, or men, stand in support of any of the accusers. What matters is if anyone WITNESSED the event, or, has other valid means of verifying the accusers statements.

 

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Sorry if this was posted already and I missed it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.com/news/2018/09/james-roche/amp/

James Roche told the New Yorker that he has no trouble at all believing that Ramirez is telling the truth. He has not yet responded to a request for comment from Heavy.

Roche was Kavanaugh’s roommate when they were both in their freshman year at Yale. Roche told the New Yorker that he never saw Kavanaugh do anything sexually inappropriate — but he also said that Kavanaugh was “frequently, incoherently drunk.”​

Not saying that it's true, but "frequently, incoherently drunk" is not the same as assault.

 

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Kavanaugh’s Yearbook Page Is ‘Horrible, Hurtful’ to a Woman It Named

Judge Kavanaugh, a member of the football team and the captain of the basketball team, played a prominent role in Georgetown Prep’s firmament in the early 1980s. The school’s culture was one of heavy drinking and at times insensitivity.

The 1983 yearbook, for example, includes multiple apparent references to the Ku Klux Klan (but not on Judge Kavanaugh’s page). His page, in addition to the “Alumnius” entry, mentions his role as “treasurer” of the “Keg City Club.”

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Some of Judge Kavanaugh’s high school peers said there was a widespread culture at the time of objectifying women.

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Bill Barbot, who was a freshman at Georgetown Prep when Judge Kavanaugh was a senior, said Judge Kavanaugh and his clique were part of the school’s “fratty” culture. “There was a lot of talk and presumably a lot of action about sexual conquest with girls,” Mr. Barbot said.​

Have you seen Ford's yearbook? Just as bad, maybe worse. So, how do either of these yearbooks make accusations fact?

 

[BingoBongo]

I'm concerned that the candidate for sitting on the Supreme Court says that a virgin can't commit sexual assault.

Holding a classmate down against her will and attempting to strip her while covering her mouth is not assault because the perp's penis has never been in a vagina?

I must be missing something because that makes no sense.

jmo

"I'm concerned that the candidate for sitting on the Supreme Court says that a virgin can't commit sexual assault."

Where did he say that?

 

[Inthedetails]

Not sure I understand the legal significance of this. It doesn't matter how many women, or men, stand in support of any of the accusers. What matters is if anyone WITNESSED the event, or, has other valid means of verifying the accusers statements.

The open letter shows support that the woman is telling a believable story. The character of a person speaking out is often questioned and stories are often scoffed at, and this group is standing up to say they support the accuser.

But, yes, to say the people signing the open letter are not witnesses to the acts is the truth. But it's also not the point of the open letter. It's not intended to be proof.

jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

“Saving the Supreme Court from Trump’s clutches has always involved a very complicated two-step: first, block Kavanaugh, then fight like hell to win back the Senate,” said Brian Fallon, a 2016 campaign adviser to Hillary Clinton who helped start a group called Demand Justice to fight conservative judicial nominations. “If Kavanaugh drops out, we’re halfway there. If Democrats are able to win back the Senate, we’d have a path to blocking Trump from picking any of the archconservatives on his shortlist.”

The Democratic Dream: Defeat Kavanaugh, Win the Senate and Stop Trump Supreme Court Picks


This is all it’s about. Jmo

 

[Inthedetails]

"I'm concerned that the candidate for sitting on the Supreme Court says that a virgin can't commit sexual assault."

Where did he say that?

Kavanaugh said this week that he could not have committed the assaults because he was a virgin at the time. It has been widely reported. I'll look for a link for verification, but it was discussed yesterday here on the thread.

 

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Elizabeth Rasor, Mark Judge’s Ex-Girlfriend, Contradicts Judge’s Claim | Heavy.com

Elizabeth Rasor, Mark Judge’s ex-girlfriend of three years, told the New Yorker that Judge’s claim of “no horseplay” with women at Georgetown Prep was inaccurate. Judge allegedly told her a far more disturbing story.

Rasor spoke out about Judge’s comment regarding Georgetown Prep after Christine Blasey Ford came forward and accused Judge Brett Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her at a drunken party in high school. Ford claimed Judge was in the room at the time of the assault, and accused Judge of encouraging Kavanaugh to continue the assault, telling him to “go for it” as he tried to remove her clothing.

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Rasor stressed to the New Yorker that Judge had told her a “very different” and disturbing story about the type of “rough-housing” he took part in. She claims that Judge had “ashamedly” told her of an incident that involved him and other boys “taking turns having sex with a drunk woman.” However, Judge allegedly told Rasor that he regarded the incident as completely consensual.

“She said that Judge did not name others involved in the incident, and she has no knowledge that Kavanaugh participated. But Rasor was disturbed by the story and noted that it undercut Judge’s protestations about the sexual innocence of Georgetown Prep,” the New Yorker reports.



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A copy of Ford's letter to Feinstein, linked from the Heavy story:

I am horrified that we are making claims against someone based on their past friends activities.

If that is what we base our legal system on, we are doomed.

 

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Dr. Ford's polygraph results

 

[BingoBongo]

Kavanaugh said this week that he could not have committed the assaults because he was a virgin at the time. It has been widely reported. I'll look for a link for verification, but it was discussed yesterday here on the thread.

If you are referring to the interview he and his wife gave to Fox with Martha MacCallum, that's not at all what he said.

 

[Inthedetails]

"I'm concerned that the candidate for sitting on the Supreme Court says that a virgin can't commit sexual assault."

Where did he say that?

Bolded by me.

He isn't accused of having sexual intercourse with the victims, but of sexually assaulting them. In response to the accusations, he seems to be saying that because he was a virgin, he couldn't have sexually assaulted anyone. Or, does he think that if the non-consensual encounter isn't actual rape with intercourse that it's okay? Hard to tell from his comments. But surely he realizes virgins can commit sexual assault?

"Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh says he was a virgin in high school as he defends himself against accusations of sexual assault.

Christine Blasey Ford asserts that Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed at a Maryland house party in the early 1980s and tried to take her clothes off. Ford says she escaped when Kavanaugh’s friend jumped on top of them and they tumbled.

Kavanaugh denies the accusation. In an interview airing Monday on Fox News, Kavanaugh says he did not have “anything close to sexual intercourse in high school or for many years thereafter.”

The interview gets even more personal when he is asked how much later he was still a virgin after high school. He responds, “Many years after, I’ll leave it at that. Many years after.”

The Latest: Kavanaugh: I’ve never sexually assaulted anyone

 

[Inthedetails]

I am horrified that we are making claims against someone based on their past friends activities.

If that is what we base our legal system on, we are doomed.

No, I think what is happening is people are doubting the accusors' stories that these activities could have happened, and people with information are standing up to say - yes, they did happen and here's what I know.

It's not a court of law. I don't think ex-gf's account could be admitted in court (I'm not a lawyer)? But during a hearing and investigation, I think it's important that people come forward if they have pertinent information. The people reading the accounts and the investigators can then determine if the accounts are believable or not.

Or, the people with information could stay silent about what they know and then people will say, "Why didn't you say anything?!"

 

[BingoBongo]

Bolded by me.

He isn't accused of having sexual intercourse with the victims, but of sexually assaulting them. In response to the accusations, he seems to be saying that because he was a virgin, he couldn't have sexually assaulted anyone. Or, does he think that if the non-consensual encounter isn't actual rape with intercourse that it's okay? Hard to tell from his comments. But surely he realizes virgins can commit sexual assault?

"Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh says he was a virgin in high school as he defends himself against accusations of sexual assault.

Christine Blasey Ford asserts that Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed at a Maryland house party in the early 1980s and tried to take her clothes off. Ford says she escaped when Kavanaugh’s friend jumped on top of them and they tumbled.

Kavanaugh denies the accusation. In an interview airing Monday on Fox News, Kavanaugh says he did not have “anything close to sexual intercourse in high school or for many years thereafter.”

The interview gets even more personal when he is asked how much later he was still a virgin after high school. He responds, “Many years after, I’ll leave it at that. Many years after.”

The Latest: Kavanaugh: I’ve never sexually assaulted anyone

Here is the actual transcript of the interview. No where does he say, or even imply, that a virgin could not commit sexual assault. He says, repeatedly that HE did not commit sexual assault, and points out that he was a virgin until many years after high school. Your claim would be shot down in court very, very quickly.

Brett Kavanaugh: Full transcript of Fox interview

 

[BingoBongo]

It may not be a court of law, but the legal ramifications remain the same.

 

[Elley Mae]

No, I think what is happening is people are doubting the accusors' stories that these activities could have happened, and people with information are standing up to say - yes, they did happen and here's what I know.

It's not a court of law. I don't think ex-gf's account could be admitted in court (I'm not a lawyer)? But during a hearing and investigation, I think it's important that people come forward if they have pertinent information. The people reading the accounts and the investigators can then determine if the accounts are believable or not.

Or, the people with information could stay silent about what they know and then people will say, "Why didn't you say anything?!"

I just have to say that iirc no one has backed up Ford’s account, only hearsay.
The second one had no one to back her story up.
I have not heard of anyone backing up the 3rd ones story.

Only thing I have read is that there were parties. I haven’t seen that the 3 knew each other from the parties/school.

All I have read is these girls went to alot of parties and the first one was 15.

Jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

I wonder when, who will surface next & what story have.

 

[simba16]

Fox interview shot down by his own Yale roommate, others. He did want to imply that since he was a virgin (he said otherwise to Steve Kantrowitz during freshman year at Yale) he couldn't have committed sexual assault which is not true.