Supreme Court Nominee

[sorrell skye]

That’s potentially accessory to a felony, which could be a felony in and of itself. Holy moly. How the worm turns.

ETA: Granted, obviously, there’s probably a statute of limitations for rape and sexual assault, but these are hearing we’re talking about at this point, not criminal charges or a criminal trial.

If Mark Judge indeed was one of a "train" of rapists who raped a drunk girl, he was not only an accessory to a felony, but also a perpetrator of a felony, according to the criminal code of the state of Maryland where the alleged crimes occurred.

If this sexual assault was perpetrated in the state of Maryland (as is alleged), there is no statute of limitations for felony sexual assault. This needs to be investigated by the local Maryland authorities. The alleged victim(s) need to file a criminal complaint with the relevant jurisdictions, so that these allegations can be properly investigated.

I posted the Maryland statute & linked it in a post upthread.

If the current statutes (wherein there is no statutory limitation on sexual assault and rape) were in effect at the time of the alleged sexual assaults/rapes, the local authorities can investigate and potentially prosecute, but the victims/survivors must first file a criminal complaint.

 

[Inthedetails]

Who cares about a court of law.


Brett Kavanaugh believes it is a defense as it applies to his SC nominee hearing.



That is what this thread is about the hearings it has nothing to do with charges being pressed, an arrest or going to court- that's off topic.

The hearing is not a court of law. He is not standing trial. He is being investigated and interviewed and reviewed for a job position - one of the highest jobs in our country.

WS is not a court of law either. We examine and present information, without our discussions being shot down as not holding up in court.


jmo

 

[Boodles]

You’re missing the point. There needs to be an investigation. You should not assume the alleged victims are the liars. But it seems the powers that be don’t want to hear witnesses or investigate these allegations. That in itself tells you something. This stinks and is very smoky- and I suspect there’s FIRE. I watched his hearing and the guy was squirrely and evasive. I didn’t like him then, and I want to hear more about these allegations via a proper process before the GOP rams him onto the SCOTUS for life.

 

[Elley Mae]

I have a difficult time believing any person would continue to go to – according to the affidavit – ten parties over a two-year period where women were routinely gang raped and not report it.

— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) September 26, 2018

Republicans stand by Kavanaugh, fire back at Avenatti as new allegations jolt court bid


Yeah What about that!

Why did she continue to see this and not report it.?

 

[sds71]

The onetime girlfriend of Mark Judge, who is alleged by Christine Blasey Ford to have been present while Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in the 1980s, has emerged as a pivotal if hidden figure in this whole affair — and now she’s prepared to speak to the FBI and the Judiciary Committee about what she knows, according to a letter from her lawyer.
Opinion | Mark Judge’s former girlfriend is ready to talk to FBI and Judiciary Committee, her lawyer says

 

[Inthedetails]

I have a difficult time believing any person would continue to go to – according to the affidavit – ten parties over a two-year period where women were routinely gang raped and not report it.

— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) September 26, 2018

Republicans stand by Kavanaugh, fire back at Avenatti as new allegations jolt court bid


Yeah What about that!

Why did she continue to see this and not report it.?

I'm of the same age group as Kavanaugh, though I don't think that particularly matters. I recall parties where the same things as the accusers described happened. I wasn't a big partier, but I did attend some, knowing the risks. Why do females go? Plenty of reasons - hope that the assaults won't happen; hope that if it does happen, it won't happen to them; parties are otherwise fun; desire to be with friends; not wanting to be left out; not being mature enough to consider "hey, I don't have to go to this dumb party!"

The way I remember parties like this, not everyone was preying on everyone else. There was lots of fun - dancing, joking, flirting, making out, etc. The predators were usually known and you'd try to avoid them. But they were also in the popular crowd (at least in my memory) so you couldn't shun them either without being shunned yourself.

It's not as if females said, "Hey, I'm going to go to the rape party on Friday."

And if my crowd is like her crowd, it never occurred to us to report anything as a crime. That is something to change, and I hope change does happen.

I attended high school and college in a big city, and I think that made the party scene safer. There were plenty of other things to do than go to the cool-kid party. I didn't feel like I would be without friends when I dropped out of the party circuit, and I was right.

But in a tight-knit environment like the elite prep school/ivy league crowd, I think there is more pressure to be part of what the crowd is doing, even if it means there is a risk you will get shoved into a room.

jmo

 

[Boodles]

The onetime girlfriend of Mark Judge, who is alleged by Christine Blasey Ford to have been present while Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in the 1980s, has emerged as a pivotal if hidden figure in this whole affair — and now she’s prepared to speak to the FBI and the Judiciary Committee about what she knows, according to a letter from her lawyer.
Opinion | Mark Judge’s former girlfriend is ready to talk to FBI and Judiciary Committee, her lawyer says

They don’t want to bother with witnesses, though. Isn’t that interesting?

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Not sure I understand the legal significance of this. It doesn't matter how many women, or men, stand in support of any of the accusers. What matters is if anyone WITNESSED the event, or, has other valid means of verifying the accusers statements.

It does matter how many women support the accusers. It may be irrelevant to the proceedings (but even that’s yet tbt, actually, because many can speak to the atmosphere of the school, their own experiences, etc.), but it’s ALSO important that these alleged victims aren’t just berated and attacked into silence.

Because, as we’re all witnessing, that’s what happens far too often.

MOO and all that, of course.

And of course witnesses matter. Maybe I missed it, but I’m not seeing anyone contradicting that.

 

[simba16]

Trump calls Avenatti a con artist too. What part of the Stormy Daniels story was false? Attorney Michael Cohen pled guilty in court to campaign finance violation related to Stormy affair.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I have a difficult time believing any person would continue to go to – according to the affidavit – ten parties over a two-year period where women were routinely gang raped and not report it.

— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) September 26, 2018

Republicans stand by Kavanaugh, fire back at Avenatti as new allegations jolt court bid


Yeah What about that!

Why did she continue to see this and not report it.?

What about what, exactly? More victim-blaming? Outrageous.

Who said she witnessed it repeatedly and never reported it or told anyone? Or is that just what Graham said?

Did I miss something? Can ya drop the link/source in here, to help clarify the record? Or screen shot that part of the affidavit and post it here?

One of my college friends was drugged and gang raped in college. After that, we watched out for each other. She reported it to the school and (shocker) she was advised to change schools. The university did NOTHING.

Women back then (and now, but it’s changing) KNOW THIS.

Reminder ... THIS IS A VICTIM FRIENDLY FORUM. Okthxbai

 

[simba16]

I had background investigation done for a government job. Believe me they missed stuff, lol.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Trump calls Avenatti a con artist too. What part of the Stormy Daniels story was false? Attorney Michael Cohen pled guilty in court to campaign finance violation related to Stormy affair.

It’s an age-old con. Deflect the blame onto the victim. Impugn their character. Imply the perpetrator’s action was welcomed by the victim. Shame them into silence.

Ugh.

 

[simba16]

Trump's first wife Ivana accused Trump of rape although (financial incentives?) she dropped claim. His attorney, Michael Cohen, later said it was impossible for a husband to rape his wife.

 

[Jennifer17]

It’s an age-old con. Deflect the blame onto the victim. Impugn their character. Imply the perpetrator’s action was welcomed by the victim. Shame them into silence.

Ugh.

And it was easy to impugn the victim of rape thirty and forty years ago.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I had background investigation done for a government job. Believe me they missed stuff, lol.

I’ve been interviewed as part of an FBI background check for a former work colleague who was entering the government sector. High-level security clearance.

The interview was relatively superficial, considering. Met the investigator at a coffee shop, she showed me her badge, and asked me about 15 questions. I was the applicant’s former boss. I was asked for no corroborating documentation as to anything I answered. The entire process took about 10 minutes. I didn’t even have time to order a cup of coffee.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Opinion | Mark Judge’s former girlfriend is ready to talk to FBI and Judiciary Committee, her lawyer says

The onetime girlfriend of Mark Judge, who is alleged by Christine Blasey Ford to have been present while Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in the 1980s, has emerged as a pivotal if hidden figure in this whole affair — and now she’s prepared to speak to the FBI and the Judiciary Committee about what she knows, according to a letter from her lawyer that I’ve obtained.

Judge’s college girlfriend, Elizabeth Rasor, is represented by lawyer Roberta Kaplan, who sent a letter to the Judiciary Committee today. The letter, which was provided to me by a senior Senate Democratic aide on the committee, says that Rasor “would welcome the opportunity” to speak to “agents of the FBI as part of a reopened background investigation” into Kavanaugh’s conduct.​

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Excellent post. Thank you!

Jumping off what you said, other women victim-blame, too, and convince themselves it won’t happen to them. For all sorts of reasons, as we’re seeing in this case (and elsewhere).

The cognitive dissonance is dangerous, unfortunate and sad, really. I’m so glad the culture is starting to change, even if it can’t change fast enough.

I'm of the same age group as Kavanaugh, though I don't think that particularly matters. I recall parties where the same things as the accusers described happened. I wasn't a big partier, but I did attend some, knowing the risks. Why do females go? Plenty of reasons - hope that the assaults won't happen; hope that if it does happen, it won't happen to them; parties are otherwise fun; desire to be with friends; not wanting to be left out; not being mature enough to consider "hey, I don't have to go to this dumb party!"

The way I remember parties like this, not everyone was preying on everyone else. There was lots of fun - dancing, joking, flirting, making out, etc. The predators were usually known and you'd try to avoid them. But they were also in the popular crowd (at least in my memory) so you couldn't shun them either without being shunned yourself.

It's not as if females said, "Hey, I'm going to go to the rape party on Friday."

And if my crowd is like her crowd, it never occurred to us to report anything as a crime. That is something to change, and I hope change does happen.

I attended high school and college in a big city, and I think that made the party scene safer. There was plenty of other things to do than go to the cool-kid party. I didn't feel like I would be without friends when I dropped out of the party circuit, and I was right.

But in a tight-knit environment like the elite prep school/ivy league crowd, I think there is more pressure to be part of what the crowd is doing, even if it means there is a risk you will get shoved into a room.

jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

What about what, exactly? More victim-blaming? Outrageous.

Who said she witnessed it repeatedly and never reported it or told anyone? Or is that just what Graham said?

Did I miss something? Can ya drop the link/source in here, to help clarify the record? Or screen shot that part of the affidavit and post it here?

One of my college friends was drugged and gang raped in college. After that, we watched out for each other. She reported it to the school and (shocker) she was advised to change schools. The university did NOTHING.

Women back then (and now, but it’s changing) KNOW THIS.

Reminder ... THIS IS A VICTIM FRIENDLY FORUM. Okthxbai

I’m of the opinion that Kavanaugh is the victim.

Waiting for testimony.

 

[Inthedetails]

I’ve been interviewed as part of an FBI background check for a former work colleague who was entering the government sector. High-level security clearance.

The interview was relatively superficial, considering. Met the investigator at a coffee shop, she showed me her badge, and asked me about 15 questions. I was the applicant’s former boss. I was asked for no corroborating documentation as to anything I answered. The entire process took about 10 minutes. I didn’t even have time to order a cup of coffee.

Regarding this case, my hunch is the frat boy/elite school crowd is supportive when "one of them" is elevated to a position like this. They protect their own, and if you don't, you're out. And they might not consider any of the party assaults as problematic...so why mention what their friends did to girls? Doesn't matter to them, so it's never even brought up, except perhaps as a wink and smirk when talking about drinking.

jmopinion

 

[kimlynn]

I have a difficult time believing any person would continue to go to – according to the affidavit – ten parties over a two-year period where women were routinely gang raped and not report it.

— Lindsey Graham (@LindseyGrahamSC) September 26, 2018

Republicans stand by Kavanaugh, fire back at Avenatti as new allegations jolt court bid


Yeah What about that!

Why did she continue to see this and not report it.?

How many of those parties did Kavanaugh attend and didn't report it?
Maybe Lindsey should include him in the chiding or is that only the victims he is going after. IMO