Supreme Court Nominee

[sorrell skye]

Question: Why, after all these years, did Kavanaugh still possess a calendar from his high school years in 1982?

Seriously? Who, besides a sentimental teen girl, keeps a calendar (a de facto diary, as it were) of events all these years later?

IMO, he kept it all these years later because it was a treasured memento of his disgusting conquests.

 

[Fairy1]

So, if I accuse you of something I cannot prove (so far) and try to hold you accountable for that thing (whatever it is), and you lose your job, your credibility, your reputation as a result...you're not a victim?

Wow.

What it is, in this case, is sexual assault. Wonder what proof those who've already made up their minds will require?

Wow.

 

[Fairy1]

Question: Why, after all these years, did Kavanaugh still possess a calendar from his high school years in 1982?

Seriously? Who, besides a sentimental teen girl, keeps a calendar (a de facto diary, as it were) of events all these years later?

IMO, he kept it all these years later because it was a treasured memento of his disgusting conquests.

Thank you! I was in the same age group at this time and not only did I not keep a calendar, but I certainly wouldn't have lugged it around with me for the last 35 - 40 years. And I doubt anyone on the face of the earth would pencil in "sexual assault." GMAFB.

 

[Fairy1]

It's an anology, a comparison of concepts. No one is making a side-by-side comparison (but I think you already know that). It's the concept that he brought up the virginity for the same reason one might say not only did they not burn someone with a cigarette, but they're not even smokers.

I don't believe an analogy is needed here. We all know what Dr. Ford says happened and Kavanaugh's virginity is not relevant, whatsoever. IMO, he was not only grasping at straws, but attempting to muddy the waters. Dr. Ford has never claimed he raped her. Perhaps we should just deal with the facts here.

 

[Inthedetails]

And it could be said that his accusers are also "victims of privilege", and what they can make up to further their belief system, they will.

How's that sound?

I don't know about accuser #1 (Ford), but #2 (Rodriguez) was not from a privileged background.

I don't think #3 was either, but the first two are my focus at the moment anyway.

I'm not even sure what your comment means, but just thought I'd point out that at least one accuser didn't share the privileged status as her classmate in college who she says displayed his penis in her face.

jmo

 

[BingoBongo]

Thank you! I was in the same age group at this time and not only did I not keep a calendar, but I certainly wouldn't have lugged it around with me for the last 35 - 40 years. And I doubt anyone on the face of the earth would pencil in "sexual assault." GMAFB.

So, you can believe a person who doesn't recall dates, times, locations or number of people present...but you can't believe that someone might have their data planners from the 80's?

It's called memorabilia, and I have mine. I also have my yearbooks, birthday cards, and old vinyls.

 

[BingoBongo]

I don't believe an analogy is needed here. We all know what Dr. Ford says happened and Kavanaugh's virginity is not relevant, whatsoever. IMO, he was not only grasping at straws, but attempting to muddy the waters. Dr. Ford has never claimed he raped her. Perhaps we should just deal with the facts here.

These are the facts. If someone asked me if I did a particular thing (washed my car Saturday, groomed the dog, clogged up the sink with asparagus...pick one) I might say, "no, as a matter of fact, my car was in the shop Saturday, I don't have a dog, and I hate asparagus."

The concept is the same.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The FBI HAS investigated Kavanaugh, SIX times! The Feds have no jurisdiction in this matter, if charges are to come, it's has to be via the State of Maryland.

I soooo wish people would separate their feelings about Trump from what is going on with these accusations. Trump has NOTHING to do with Kavanaughs past, or the current accusations.

I guess the idea is to have the agency who can't do a proper background investigation of a Federal Judge after several attempts should now do an investigation into these unsubstantiated claims made by Dr Ford. JMO

 

[simba16]

The FBI would do an investigation on a judge--you are wrong. It wouldn't be a criminal investigation done by Maryland unless accuser wanted to file charges. New issues come up on officials so FBI must reopen investigation.

Now there are multiple allegations. Also evidence of perjury.

Who nominated Kavanaugh? Gee I thought it was Trump so he obviously has something to do with it...

 

[Fairy1]

These are the facts. If someone asked me if I did a particular thing (washed my car Saturday, groomed the dog, clogged up the sink with asparagus...pick one) I might say, "no, as a matter of fact, my car was in the shop Saturday, I don't have a dog, and I hate asparagus."

The concept is the same.

And will you have been drunk whilst you were doing whatever you WERE doing?

 

[BingoBongo]

What it is, in this case, is sexual assault. Wonder what proof those who've already made up their minds will require?

Wow.

Good grief, proof that it happened! Not just claims, but proof! Did others see it, will they testify to that fact, did anyone take pictures of the event to show who was in attendance, did anyone make a diary entry, etc.

So far, all we have are people who say they may have seen something, not sure, can't recall exact dates, locations, etc. and very, very few people named who have actually backed up these claims...most, so far, have said the opposite.

 

[BingoBongo]

And will you have been drunk whilst you were doing whatever you WERE doing?

Not pertinent to me, nor to Kavanaugh. Unless you have PROOF that he was drunk, you're barking up trees.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Not pertinent to me, nor to Kavanaugh. Unless you have PROOF that he was drunk, you're barking up trees.

I think there would have to be evidence that Kavanaugh was even at the alleged party and then the level of intoxication would somehow have to be determined after that. JMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

So, if I accuse you of something I cannot prove ... and you lose your job, your credibility, your reputation as a result...you're not a victim?

Wow.

sbm

Doing my best to steer this back to the thread topic, I’ll address the core issue of what you’re asking:

Kavanaugh can’t be fired from a job he doesn’t have.

For starters.

 

[mickey2942]

So, you can believe a person who doesn't recall dates, times, locations or number of people present...but you can't believe that someone might have their data planners from the 80's?

It's called memorabilia, and I have mine. I also have my yearbooks, birthday cards, and old vinyls.

I started using Day Timers, and went to Franklin Covey, my calendars are like journals, and document my goals, thoughts, highs, lows, and I have a bookshelf of 35 years of journals. Perhaps it is compulsive, but I have found it to be amazingly deadly in my ability to be spot on where I was, what I did, who I spoke with...I was called into court, and brought my Franklin Covey planner out, and flipped from page to page of documentation and notes. I have pictures, letters, silly things...so, I don't find it crazy at all. Perhaps a bit OCD...

 

[BingoBongo]

The FBI would do an investigation on a judge--you are wrong. It wouldn't be a criminal investigation done by Maryland unless accuser wanted to file charges. New issues come up on officials so FBI must reopen investigation.

Now there are multiple allegations. Also evidence of perjury.

Who nominated Kavanaugh? Gee I thought it was Trump so he obviously has something to do with it...

Unless a Federal Crime was committed, the FBI will not be involved, and have already stated such.

The FBI gets involved in PRE appointee investigations to assess any potential threats to national security, they would ONLY be involved again is if a follow-up investigation were requested by the White House *as a matter of national security*. This does not qualify as national security.

Since there are no allegations of a federal crime, the the bureau will not open a criminal investigation, according to the DOJ.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but it is wrong.

 

[Inthedetails]

I guess the idea is to have the agency who can't do a proper background investigation of a Federal Judge after several attempts should now do an investigation into these unsubstantiated claims made by Dr Ford. JMO

My thoughts are that sexual assault, especially in social settings, is so "accepted" (for lack of a better word), that the issue is essentially invisible to the investigators. I don't think the investigators are stupid or inept, just part of a culture that is slow to realize that sexual assault in social settings is a thing. It's like an invisible crime, especially since so many people experienced it in ways described by the accusers. Many people have experienced it either as victims or as perps but have learned to dismiss it not because it wasn't a serious thing, but just...because...that's what people do with this crime.

But once the assault issue is brought up, then yes, it needs attention. The allegations cannot be ignored simply because the investigation missed them previously, imo.

I don't think it's black and white that the FBI is either competent or not. But rather, something was missed and it needs to be addressed (and fix the reason it was missed!).

My thoughts at the moment, subject to change

jmo

 

[BingoBongo]

I started using Day Timers, and went to Franklin Covey, my calendars are like journals, and document my goals, thoughts, highs, lows, and I have a bookshelf of 35 years of journals. Perhaps it is compulsive, but I have found it to be amazingly deadly in my ability to be spot on where I was, what I did, who I spoke with...I was called into court, and brought my Franklin Covey planner out, and flipped from page to page of documentation and notes. I have pictures, letters, silly things...so, I don't find it crazy at all. Perhaps a bit OCD...

Same here. Mine detail my career, my plans for my career, my everyday dilemmas and family activities. A diary of sorts. I would imagine many people keep this info. if for no other reason than maybe to share with their kids and grands, and to reminisce. I have no problem believing that he kept his.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

sbm

Doing my best to steer this back to the thread topic, I’ll address the core issue of what you’re asking:

Kavanaugh can’t be fired from a job he doesn’t have.

For starters.

A thought the whole idea with these allegations is to prevent him from getting a new job on the Supreme Court.

 

[BingoBongo]

Kavanaugh's claim in regards to the gang rape is that he never did any such thing and he's never known about any such thing. If that claim is true then I don't know how he could possibly report it.

Thank you! Critical thinking is good!

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Thank you! I was in the same age group at this time and not only did I not keep a calendar, but I certainly wouldn't have lugged it around with me for the last 35 - 40 years. And I doubt anyone on the face of the earth would pencil in "sexual assault." GMAFB.

Maybe he’s carried it in his briefcase since highschool.

Hahaaaa! If nothing else, it’s a hilarious visual.