Supreme Court Nominee

[EuTuCroquet?]

I think there would have to be evidence that Kavanaugh was even at the alleged party and then the level of intoxication would somehow have to be determined after that. JMO

Witness testimony is evidence.

 

[human]

I started using Day Timers, and went to Franklin Covey, my calendars are like journals, and document my goals, thoughts, highs, lows, and I have a bookshelf of 35 years of journals. Perhaps it is compulsive, but I have found it to be amazingly deadly in my ability to be spot on where I was, what I did, who I spoke with...I was called into court, and brought my Franklin Covey planner out, and flipped from page to page of documentation and notes. I have pictures, letters, silly things...so, I don't find it crazy at all. Perhaps a bit OCD...

Yours sound more like journals. Did you see his calendar?

 

[BingoBongo]

I have a feeling there are candidates to be found who didn't assault people, as he is accused of doing. And if he is lying about his past, that is troubling to me. Telling the truth matters for a Supreme Court Justice. I do realize that we don't know for sure yet if he is lying or if he committed assaults. That is what is being investigated.

What if someone cheated through high school or on college entrance exams like the SAT? Would that matter? I think it would. What if someone plagiarized in school? I would want to know when deciding whether or not to hire a candidate. And I would pay close attention to how the candidate grew from any bad experience and how s/he reacted to allegations.

Character matters, and so far, I want more investigation into his character. Why rush? And what candidate would want a shadow over his/her selection? I would expect a candidate of integrity to see the process through....which, to his credit, he is doing. So, let's see it through.

jmo

What else can we come up with that he "might" have done?

There is no rush, but there also should be no feet dragging based on unsubstantiated facts.

This, IMO, is just another political ploy to stall what one party sees as a threat to their control.

Republicans have done it, Democrats have done it.

Enough already.

 

[Inthedetails]

Same here. Mine detail my career, my plans for my career, my everyday dilemmas and family activities. A diary of sorts. I would imagine many people keep this info. if for no other reason than maybe to share with their kids and grands, and to reminisce. I have no problem believing that he kept his.

FWIW, I burn my calendar every New Year's Eve. Out with the old, in with the new. I don't have many photographs or other memorabilia either. I live very lightly.

But, I don't think it's odd he still has his calendar from high school. Plus, I think he really loved high school and wanted to keep anything associated with those days.

jmo

 

[Fairy1]

I started using Day Timers, and went to Franklin Covey, my calendars are like journals, and document my goals, thoughts, highs, lows, and I have a bookshelf of 35 years of journals. Perhaps it is compulsive, but I have found it to be amazingly deadly in my ability to be spot on where I was, what I did, who I spoke with...I was called into court, and brought my Franklin Covey planner out, and flipped from page to page of documentation and notes. I have pictures, letters, silly things...so, I don't find it crazy at all. Perhaps a bit OFa

Good grief, proof that it happened! Not just claims, but proof! Did others see it, will they testify to that fact, did anyone take pictures of the event to show who was in attendance, did anyone make a diary entry, etc.

So far, all we have are people who say they may have seen something, not sure, can't recall exact dates, locations, etc. and very, very few people named who have actually backed up these claims...most, so far, have said the opposite.

As I understand it, some who did witness it are not being allowed to speak. Or have conveniently "forgotten" what they witnessed.

Back in the day, we didn't have surveillance cameras or cell phones everywhere. We would have to rely on human eyeballs.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

My thoughts are that sexual assault, especially in social settings, is so "accepted" (for lack of a better word), that the issue is essentially invisible to the investigators. I don't think the investigators are stupid or inept, just part of a culture that is slow to realize that sexual assault in social settings is a thing. It's like an invisible crime, especially since so many people experienced it in ways described by the accusers. Many people have experienced it either as victims or as perps but have learned to dismiss it not because it wasn't a serious thing, but just...because...that's what people do with this crime.

But once the assault issue is brought up, then yes, it needs attention. The allegations cannot be ignored simply because the investigation missed them previously, imo.

I don't think it's black and white that the FBI is either competent or not. But rather, something was missed and it needs to be addressed (and fix the reason it was missed!).

My thoughts at the moment, subject to change

jmo

Any investigation will fail to come up with bad past deeds if no one either tells investigators about actual events or there is no bad activities for anyone to reveal.

I don't have anyway to know which one is correct at this point because I haven't seen any corroborating evidence to support these allegations. JMO

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

All of the witnesses Ford has identified at the party, including Kavanaugh, Judge, and another classmate, Patrick Smyth, have denied knowledge of the alleged assault under penalty of felony in statements to the Judiciary Committee.

However, a woman, Leland Ingham Keyser, a former classmate of Ford's at the Holton-Arms all-girls school in Maryland, has since been identified by Ford as the fourth witness at the party. In a dramatic twist, Keyser emerged Saturday night to say she doesn’t know Kavanaugh or remember being at the party with him.

Kavanaugh accuser Christine Ford releases results of polygraph test, but key detail appears to contradict past statements

That's interesting that not one person remembers.

 

[Fairy1]

I started using Day Timers, and went to Franklin Covey, my calendars are like journals, and document my goals, thoughts, highs, lows, and I have a bookshelf of 35 years of journals. Perhaps it is compulsive, but I have found it to be amazingly deadly in my ability to be spot on where I was, what I did, who I spoke with...I was called into court, and brought my Franklin Covey planner out, and flipped from page to page of documentation and notes. I have pictures, letters, silly things...so, I don't find it crazy at all. Perhaps a bit OCD...

That's quite fascinating to me.

 

[Inthedetails]

What else can we come up with that he "might" have done?

So far it's just been sexual assault.

jmo

 

[BingoBongo]

Yep, Jennifer, and there are STILL folks who - in this day & age - believe that a girl/woman's sexual history is legal fodder to be used to burn her at the stake, because How-Dare-a-Lowly-Woman, when it has been 'ordained' that a woman must be Silent and Submissive.

Hell No!!!

And, IMO, good ol' boys are still willing to lie for another good ol' boy.

And their appear to be those who believe that every accusation is valid prior to investigation. Also, those that believe in guilt by association.

 

[Inthedetails]

I don't have anyway to know which one is correct at this point because I haven't seen any corroborating evidence to support these allegations. JMO

Snipped and bolded by me.

So...they need to be investigated?

jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Witness testimony is evidence.

Very week evidence if it's not from someone who actually witnessed Dr Ford and Kavanaugh at the party or was told about the alleged assault at the time it happened and not decades later. JMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

I can't speak for any of the victim/survivors in this matter. They can speak for themselves when/if they are all given the opportunity.

For myself, I will offer this: As a completely naïve young teenager in the early 70s, our family moved from a sheltered suburb to a big city. When I was 14, 15 years old, I desperately wanted to 'fit in' with the 'popular' crowd at my new school, so I attended parties where shady s**t was going on.

Teen peer pressure is a very real, compelling force. Teen peer pressure can, IMO, cause someone to ignore any number of red flags. Besides which, I must challenge anyone who declares that a young teen is sophisticated enough and emotionally/psychologically developed enough to not only fully recognize red flags (even when those red flags might be fully unfurled to an informed adult in this age of #metoo), but to also possess the psychological maturity to know that what they had witnessed might be a potential crime that must be reported.

After all, the prevailing mythos has been: If a girl/woman gets sexually assaulted/raped, it's because "she was asking for it". Ergo, if a young teen naively believes that she isn't "asking for it", then she's assured (in her own innocent mind) that she will not be sexually assaulted and/or raped, even while attending a party where other girls are being sexually assaulted/raped.

This is the very foundation of what is known as '-shaming' - the shaming of sexual assault/rape survivors and the labeling of them as '' or otherwise not credible.

I'm a survivor of a brutal gang-rape sexual assault. As a young teen, I naively believed that I could attend parties where other girls were sexually assaulted and raped. At the time, as an ignorant, naïve young teen in the early 70s, I mistakenly believed the patriarchal mythos that only "" were sexually assaulted/raped.

I learned then and have known since that the mythos was and is a lie, promoted by those with the most to lose.

And, no, I didn't tell my parents that I was gang-raped. I didn't even tell my younger sister (with whom I was close). I didn't report it to the police. I didn't tell anyone, until recently, when I finally - after all these long years - disclosed it to my therapist and my long-time life partner. And now, here on this forum.

Why didn't I tell someone all those years ago when I was a young teen?

Because I felt such a soul-shattering sense of shame that I was incapable of uttering the words "I was gang-raped by I don't know how many", let alone describe the despicable, filthy acts that I had been forced to endure.

Because I told myself that it was my fault (for being at the party).

I'm sick and tired of sexual assault/rape victims being blamed for not reporting.

Anyone who doesn't 'get it' needs to get with the damn program.

I’m so sorry this happened to you, @sorrell skye. It’s awful. I appreciate your courage in sharing your experience. You’re right that the people who don’t “get it” are often the same people who blame victims.

 

[Inthedetails]

All of the witnesses Ford has identified at the party, including Kavanaugh, Judge, and another classmate, Patrick Smyth, have denied knowledge of the alleged assault under penalty of felony in statements to the Judiciary Committee.

However, a woman, Leland Ingham Keyser, a former classmate of Ford's at the Holton-Arms all-girls school in Maryland, has since been identified by Ford as the fourth witness at the party. In a dramatic twist, Keyser emerged Saturday night to say she doesn’t know Kavanaugh or remember being at the party with him.

Kavanaugh accuser Christine Ford releases results of polygraph test, but key detail appears to contradict past statements

That's interesting that not one person remembers.

Didn't she get pulled into a room by herself by the two boys? I don't find it unbelievable that others might not remember that as it wasn't a traumatic event for them, only to her. I also think it probably didn't last long - if I understand correctly, she got away. I'm not expecting the "boys" to confess at this point. I don't know what else she can do - either tell her account or be silent.

jmo

 

[BingoBongo]

As I understand it, some who did witness it are not being allowed to speak. Or have conveniently "forgotten" what they witnessed.

Back in the day, we didn't have surveillance cameras or cell phones everywhere. We would have to rely on human eyeballs.

Who said anything about "surveillance cameras or cell phones". I had a Polaroid Instant and TONS of pictures of high school events.

I don't, for one minute, believe that no one took pix at any of these alleged parties.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Snipped and bolded by me.

So...they need to be investigated?

jmo

In all honesty I don't think an investigation will force someone to come forward and corroborate the Ford story at this point. Anyone willing to do so would have done it by now.

Senator Feinstein should have pushed for an investigation a long time ago. Why didn't she?

JMO

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

What else can we come up with that he "might" have done?

At age 6, he “might” have eaten entire box of Wheaties in one sitting before realizing there was no prize at the bottom of the box.

 

[Inthedetails]

Senator Feinstein should have pushed for an investigation a long time ago. Why didn't she?

JMO

I don't know.

So since one wasn't done, one should never be done? Serious question, not snark.

jmo

 

[kimlynn]

Who said anything about "surveillance cameras or cell phones". I had a Polaroid Instant and TONS of pictures of high school events.

I don't, for one minute, believe that no one took pix at any of these alleged parties.

I wonder if Kavanaugh might have some old snapshots. He did keep his old scribblings. IMO

 

[BingoBongo]

So, if we're going to judge someone's words on their past, can we incl. this?

Ex-boyfriend filed restraining order against third Kavanaugh accuser