Supreme Court Rules against Death for Child Rape

  • #61
If they are not going to execute child rapists, they should not execute anyone. I mean, they can execute someone for growing a field of hemp. Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless a person turns the hemp into rope and hangs a bunch of people, how is that worse than the rape of a child? The argument that only the rapist who murders a child should be executed only gives justice to the people who loved the child. The child who is raped has had every beautiful dream of what it means to grow up destroyed. Where is the justice for the victim herself? Would I rather be alive than dead? Well, sure. But how did the Supreme Court twist this conversation from the question of whether the child rapist is alive or dead into the question of whether the child victim is alive or dead?

Also, I don't buy into the idea that kids would rather protect their rapist than sentence him, even if it is a family member (as it usually is). Men rape women and little kids because they know they can get away with it. And they usually do. They need to get actual life in prison without parole. As it is, they get a slap on the wrist and probation, and they are free to rape and destroy as many young lives as they can. The moral of this story, kids, is: You're gonna have to kill your rapist yourself, because the justice system will not step in to protect kids against men who sexually assault children.
 
  • #62
If they are not going to execute child rapists, they should not execute anyone.I mean, they can execute someone for growing a field of hemp. Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless a person turns the hemp into rope and hangs a bunch of people, how is that worse than the rape of a child? The argument that only the rapist who murders a child should be executed only gives justice to the people who loved the child. The child who is raped has had every beautiful dream of what it means to grow up destroyed. Where is the justice for the victim herself? Would I rather be alive than dead? Well, sure. But how did the Supreme Court twist this conversation from the question of whether the child rapist is alive or dead into the question of whether the child victim is alive or dead?

Also, I don't buy into the idea that kids would rather protect their rapist than sentence him, even if it is a family member (as it usually is). Men rape women and little kids because they know they can get away with it. And they usually do. They need to get actual life in prison without parole. As it is, they get a slap on the wrist and probation, and they are free to rape and destroy as many young lives as they can. The moral of this story, kids, is: You're gonna have to kill your rapist yourself, because the justice system will not step in to protect kids against men who sexually assault children.

:waitasec:where? when?
 
  • #63
well if we follow that line of thought, then if that same man walked up in a grocery store and hit your child, wouldnt you not only stop him in the moment but prosecute him later? That would be cold and dispassionate and considered justice, but it would still be a good thing.

Im a hard hearted Hannah - I would probably kill the man in both instances.
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Good morning, Glow!

Well - I wouldn't prosecute him - the State would on behalf of its people if he broke its laws. I am okay with organizational attempts to administer justice down here. I just think the penalities should stop short of killing someone in cold blood.
 
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  • #66
:waitasec:where? when?
My understanding is that, although no one has been executed for a non-homicide crime since 1963, the Court has explicitly not thrown out the death penalty for 'drug kingpen' type non-homicide crimes which were given Federal Death Penalty status in 1994. I will try to research it a bit further and dig up some links over the weekend. The death penalty is definitely not my area of expertise. It just seems to me that if it is constitutional to execute for non-homicide crimes, child rape certainly trumps drug dealers. Even though I do recognize the damage drug dealers can cause, I believe they can be rehabilitated. Child rapists...not so much. JMO.
 
  • #67
well if we follow that line of thought, then if that same man walked up in a grocery store and hit your child, wouldnt you not only stop him in the moment but prosecute him later? That would be cold and dispassionate and considered justice, but it would still be a good thing.

Im a hard hearted Hannah - I would probably kill the man in both instances.
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I am with you Glow:blowkiss:
 
  • #68
Pixies, can you explain the bolded statement. I am not sure what you are actually trying to say here:confused:
I've not read the whole thread, so this might have been answered, but what she is saying is a fear that more children will be murdered if the child rapist faces the death penalty, because the perv will be more inclined to kill the victim so she can't testify and be a witness. There is nothing to lose since he would be facing death in either case.

Personally I would like to see the elimination of the DP especially in California where it is rarely carried out. It costs more to put someone on death row than it does to put them in prison for life. Not only is housing them more expensive, but all the legal wrangling with multiple appeals etc. just isn't worth it. Put them all in the general population and let them take care of each other Dahmer style.
 
  • #69
I'm sure that sick 🤬🤬🤬 is thanking his lucky stars that he wasn't in Texas :)
 
  • #70
Angry politicians vowed to keep writing laws that condemn child rapists to death, despite a Supreme Court decision saying such punishment is unconstitutional.
"Anybody in the country who cares about children should be outraged that we have a Supreme Court that would issue a decision like this," said Alabama Attorney General Troy King, a Republican. The justices, he said, are "creating a situation where the country is a less safe place to grow up."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371925,00.html

:clap::clap::clap:
 
  • #71
The ONLY argument that has me rethinking is the one based on the fear that molesters will kill the child after the molestation to avoid being identified IF sentencing carried the death penalty.

I wonder how likely that would be?
 
  • #72
The ONLY argument that has me rethinking is the one based on the fear that molesters will kill the child after the molestation to avoid being identified IF sentencing carried the death penalty.

I wonder how likely that would be?

I stated this earlier, but IIRC some amicus briefs were filed regarding that very issue and the Justices did talk about it in the opinion.

Another argument that my friend (who was molested by her grandfather as a child and is pro DP) mentioned is the weight of a family member's death on her hands. She would have found that unbearable. Also, it might make a child even less likely to tell the truth. I do not know how others might feel. One can definitely see some families getting furious at a rape victim if the rape led to a member's death.
 
  • #73
Angry politicians vowed to keep writing laws that condemn child rapists to death, despite a Supreme Court decision saying such punishment is unconstitutional.
"Anybody in the country who cares about children should be outraged that we have a Supreme Court that would issue a decision like this," said Alabama Attorney General Troy King, a Republican. The justices, he said, are "creating a situation where the country is a less safe place to grow up."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,371925,00.html

:clap::clap::clap:

I wish they would spend at least as much time and effort to make stricter sentences for people who molest children.
 
  • #74
This decision simply gives the rapist a choice; To kill or not to kill.
If the child had a choice, wouldn't it be nice?
 
  • #75
This decision simply gives the rapist a choice; To kill or not to kill.
If the child had a choice, wouldn't it be nice?

Yes it would!
 
  • #76
  • #77
Speaking as someone that was raped at the age of five, I think they made the right decision. I believe a child rapist should serve LWOP. True LWOP. That is, the rest of their lives.

I've been raped, molested, and had my childhood stolen in a myriad of ways. But none of it is insurmountable. Being raped doesn't define me. My parents caused me to suffer, and stole more than my childhood... should they also be put to death??

LWOP protects society from these people, and that's what it's all about, IMO.
 
  • #78
Speaking as someone that was raped at the age of five, I think they made the right decision. I believe a child rapist should serve LWOP. True LWOP. That is, the rest of their lives.

I've been raped, molested, and had my childhood stolen in a myriad of ways. But none of it is insurmountable. Being raped doesn't define me. My parents caused me to suffer, and stole more than my childhood... should they also be put to death??

LWOP protects society from these people, and that's what it's all about, IMO.

IrishMist-congratulations on your survival, and I am deeply sorry that the people who should have loved, cherished and protected you failed you.
 
  • #79
Speaking as someone that was raped at the age of five, I think they made the right decision. I believe a child rapist should serve LWOP. True LWOP. That is, the rest of their lives.

I've been raped, molested, and had my childhood stolen in a myriad of ways. But none of it is insurmountable. Being raped doesn't define me. My parents caused me to suffer, and stole more than my childhood... should they also be put to death??

LWOP protects society from these people, and that's what it's all about, IMO.


Wow, IrishMist,
(((hugs))) to you.
You've given a powerful testament about survivors of childhood abuse. If you think that LWOP is enough punishment, I'll agree with your wishes.
PS.
I hope you are surrounded by people who love you.
 
  • #80
IrishMist-congratulations on your survival, and I am deeply sorry that the people who should have loved, cherished and protected you failed you.

Wow, IrishMist,
(((hugs))) to you.
You've given a powerful testament about survivors of childhood abuse. If you think that LWOP is enough punishment, I'll agree with your wishes.
PS.
I hope you are surrounded by people who love you.

Thank you both.

And Phil? I am now. It took me a long time how to figure out how to get that, but, thank God, I have it now.

:)
 

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