SURPRISE HEARING Friday 18th August

[guardangel]

I'm pretty sure that in the 48 Hours show they ask Terry Hobbs about his other wife's death. I had not heard of him having his teeth pulled before.

Thanks Steely!

 

[guardangel]

The link to PARADISE LOST

The entire film can be watched here. It's also on Netflex and at MTV.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/paradise-lost/


Steely and JB,
Here is the link to the 48 Hours.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/48_hours/video/?pid=GHCKwnODNlsjn06OFXGzVYxpKsTxy2eR



There is one more 48 hours about the WM3 that I saved somewhere on my computer. Looking for it now.

 

[JBean]

The link to PARADISE LOST

The entire film can be watched here. It's also on Netflex and at MTV.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/paradise-lost/


Steely and JB,
Here is the link to the 48 Hours.
http://www.cbs.com/primetime/48_hours/video/?pid=GHCKwnODNlsjn06OFXGzVYxpKsTxy2eR



There is one more 48 hours about the WM3 that I saved somewhere on my computer. Looking for it now.

Just need to know if it says he had his teeth pulled knowing that LE wanted the impressions.

 

[guardangel]

Just need to know if it says he had his teeth pulled knowing that LE wanted the impressions.

He sure does. Laughs about it too.
I watched Part 1 again Saturday. I will try to watch Part 2 Sunday. I have a big rally to attend later this morning but will try to find specific quotes and approx. tape time for you when I get back.

Much hinky stuff went on that many chose to ignore. Thankfully comments were caught on the P Lost tapes. Teeth pulled. A wife mysteriously dies. A knife similar to one thought used found in a murdered child's home.

There's lots more.

I highly recommend the 48 hour show linked above.

 

[Steely Dan]

I was wrong. It was Byers who had a wife who died. This site makes a strong case for Hobbs being one of the killers it also compares him to Byers. It has a lot more information than I've excerpted here;

http://www.jivepuppi.com/Terry_Hobbs.html

...Hobbs vs. The Dixie Chicks

Like fellow country singer Cheryl Crow, Natalie Maines Pasdar, a member of the popular band, The Dixie Chicks, could lay claim to the verse, "I was born in the South / sometimes I have a big mouth / when I see something that I don't like."

A vocal supporter of the West Memphis 3, during a rally in Little Rock, Pasdar reiterated some of the recent findings presented by the lawyers and reasons why Terry Hobbs should be considered a suspect. Months later, on November 25, 2008 Terry Hobbs, declaring he had been defamed and publicly accused of murder, filed suit against Pasdar. For Terry Hobbs, it was a disaster.

Allegations became sworn depositions and Terry Hobbs was required to defend his past behavior, his criminal record and his actions the night the children went missing. Under scrutiny, Hobbs stories became inconsistent and incoherent.

Close associates and several members of Pamela Hobbs family gave sworn depositions with devastating accusations.

* Jo Lynn McAughey, Stevie's aunt, stated that Terry Hobbs repeated sexually molested his daughter, Amanda. She stated that he used cocaine, crystal meth and marijuana. She stated she was at the Hobbs house on May 6, 1993 and saw "Terry wash clothes, bed linens and curtains at an odd hour. [snip] ...he was not just washing the dirty laundry, but he was also taking clothes out of the dresser drawers and washing those, too." She stated she found Stevie's prized pocketknife, one he always kept with him, among Terry Hobbs belongings. Pam declared she was surprised that the knife was not found on his body. Jo Lynn said that Terry Hobbs had told her that his experience as a butcher gave him the skill to make the cut on Chris Byers' genitals. She stated she discovered Terry had a large cache of knives. In response, Terry Hobbs admitted to the drug use, gave contradictory stories about Stevie's knife, denied washing items on May 6th, denied discussing the murders with Jo Lynn and denied the molestation charges.
* Judy Sadler, Stevie's aunt, stated Stevie told her Terry Hobbs locked Stevie in the closet and beat him. She said he forced Stevie and his sister Amanda to watch , and threatened to kill members of the Hicks family if Stevie told. She said Terry forced Stevie to sexually molest his sister and he made Stevie watch him masturbate. Terry Hobbs denied these accusations.
* Sheila Hicks, Stevie's aunt, stated that Terry Hobbs whipped Stevie Branch leaving welts. She stated he forced Stevie to play "dead cockroach," lying on his back with his arms and legs raised and, when his limbs grew tired and he tried to lower them, Terry would "whoop" him. She also stated that Stevie talked about fights that Terry and Pam had and Stevie saw Terry strangling Pam. Finally, she stated in 1997 that she saw Terry Hobbs simulating sex with his then nine year old daughter, Amanda.
* Marie Hicks, Stevie's grandmother, claimed that Terry Hobbs was physically and sexually abusive, used drugs and was alcoholic. She said that when Amanda Hobbs was young, she confided in her that Terry Hobbs stuck his finger in her "booty." Terry Hobbs denied all of this.
* Amanda Hobbs, Terry's daughter, gave a devastating plea regarding her father's abuse. Terry denied the abuse and said he couldn't remember if he ever discussed this subject with her.
* Sharon Nelson, Hobbs girlfriend, said that Hobbs claimed that he found the bodies before the police but left them there, undiscovered. Hobbs denied this.
* David Jacoby, Hobbs friend, said that he only searched with Terry Hobbs briefly before dark. He also stated that when Terry Hobbs came to his house, he saw the three victims in the street behind him. Hobbs denied ever having seen the victims that evening and described repeated trips searching with Jacoby.
* Mildred French, an elderly neighbor of his during the 1980s, said that she was sexually attacked by Terry Hobbs. She also stated that he claimed to have killed her cat. Charges were filed. Without actually denying the attack, Terry dismissed this as being ancient history. He admitted to being sentenced to counselling at the time. He denied saying he killed her cat....

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...On December 1, 2009 a judge granted a summary judgment in favor of Pasdar and the case was dismissed. The judge ruled that Hobbs should pay Pasdar $17,590.27 for legal expenses. The amount of the settlement wasn't revealed publicly for several months, at which time, Terry Hobbs responded, "I don't give a damn what that judge says, I’m not paying the Dixie Chicks a thing." [Jonesboro Sun, April 21, 2010]...

 

[Melanie]

BBM

Echols was on Death Row and so abuse by other inmates would be impossible.

I read that DE was more afraid of the guards than any prisoner he met in his life @ prison.

Echols claims he’s been repeatedly raped after family visitations and forced to perform sex acts with guards.

“I’ve never met a murderer, drug dealer or rapist in jail that scared me,” Echols said. “The guards scare the hell out of me.”

Arkansas Department of Correction officials deny the accusations.

“He made the allegation awhile back, which was investigated thoroughly

Source: http://wm3org.typepad.com/blog/2010/07/echols-talks-about-his-life-experiences-on-death-row-2.html

MOO

Mel

 

[Steely Dan]

Can you link to that as a fact? or is this your opinion?

The site I mentioned before; http://www.jivepuppi.com/Terry_Hobbs.html

Says that both Byers and Hobbs had their teeth pulled in the mid 90's. It also mentions that Terry Hobbs shot his brother in law.

 

[claudicici]

I will never forget when Hobb's got his teeth pulled knowing that LE wanted to take impressions of his teeth to compare to the bitemarks on the bodies.
Next his 2nd wife mysteriously died?!?!

that was Byers who's wife (Chris mother) mysteriously died.
Both men (Byers and Hobbs) got their teeth pulled after the murders.

 

[guardangel]

The site I mentioned before; http://www.jivepuppi.com/Terry_Hobbs.html

Says that both Byers and Hobbs had their teeth pulled in the mid 90's. It also mentions that Terry Hobbs shot his brother in law.

That IS CORRECT!

 

[claudicici]

that was Byers who's wife (Chris mother) mysteriously died.
Both men (Byers and Hobbs) got their teeth pulled after the murders.

....oh and it was Hobbs who shot his Brother in Law

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Psychiatrist report Jan 20, 1993
Damien Echols

'he has had three psychiatric hospitalizations. Each has been associated with anger, thoughts of killing others and killing himself'.


http://callahan.8k.com/images/500/051.jpg

 

[claudicici]

I think it's also very alarming that AH not only talks about abuse by her father TH but also his friend DJ.The same guy who's DNA was found at the crime scene.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Psychiatrist report Jan 20, 1993
Damien Echols

'he has had three psychiatric hospitalizations. Each has been associated with anger, thoughts of killing others and killing himself'.


http://callahan.8k.com/images/500/051.jpg

Thankfully, in the US, a person cannot be convicted based only on thoughts....at least not usually.

ETA: Your link also says "He's alert and cooperative, he seems friendly." I see how none of this is evidence that he killed these boys.

 

[UdbCrzy2]

Thankfully, in the US, a person cannot be convicted based only on thoughts....at least not usually.

ETA: Your link also says "He's alert and cooperative, he seems friendly." I see how none of this is evidence that he killed these boys.

'thoughts of killing others'

and he's a convicted multiple child murderer?


at least I give links to the things I'm talking about and I don't think others here are doing that and I don't mean you HRCODEPINK.
If they make a claim to a statement and don't provide a link it's difficult to verify the source other than a rumor. Let's say this, it just looks made up to me.

The angel poster refers a link to full length movies for you to watch, which I won't do. Isn't there a printed document that the defense has submitted on that one?

 

[HRCODEPINK]

'thoughts of killing others'

and he's a convicted multiple child murderer?

How are his thoughts evidence of this crime?

ETA: That paper that you are citing as "evidence" of this crime was written before the boys had died.

I can cite papers where many people flat out accuse Terry Hobbs of violent and sexual actions in sworn statements, but I don't see that as evidence that he is guilty. I support my belief of guilty with DNA and statements that are contradicted by people who lived in the neighborhood. The same evidence that caused the AR Supreme Court to unanimously remand the case for a new hearing on the merits of the evidence.

 

[guardangel]

'thoughts of killing others'

and he's a convicted multiple child murderer?

He's not a murderer. Remember the Alford plea was agreed upon to save his life.

I highly doubt the 3 men would be free if a judge or anyone on the DT thought they were guilty.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

Jason Baldwin soaks in first morning of freedom

http://wm3org.typepad.com/blog/2011/08/jason-baldwin-soaks-in-first-morning-of-freedom-wm3.html

 

[UdbCrzy2]

He's not a murderer. Remember the Alford plea was agreed upon to save his life.

I highly doubt the 3 men would be free if a judge or anyone on the DT thought they were guilty.

When they plead guilty with that, they could maintain their innocence, however, they acknowledge that the state had sufficient evidence that they could be found guilty."


"We can still bring up new evidence. We can still continue the investigations we've been doing. We can still try to clear our names. The only difference now is that we can do it on the outside instead of having to sit in prison and do it.

http://www.kait8.com/story/15300169/west-memphis-3-echols-baldwin-misskelley-speak


I thought he wanted to prove his innocence. That's what he told why he took the plea deal. Click on that link above and read it.

 

[HRCODEPINK]

When they plead guilty with that, they could maintain their innocence, however, they acknowledge that the state had sufficient evidence that they could be found guilty."


"We can still bring up new evidence. We can still continue the investigations we've been doing. We can still try to clear our names. The only difference now is that we can do it on the outside instead of having to sit in prison and do it.

http://www.kait8.com/story/15300169/west-memphis-3-echols-baldwin-misskelley-speak


I thought he wanted to prove his innocence. That's what he told why he took the plea deal. Click on that link above and read it.

The reason for the Alford plea has been explained to you repeatedly. I think an expectation for them to be able to prove their innocence in 36 hours is a little unrealistic. If they do, what will you say then? Just curious.

 

[Compassionate Reader]

There seems to be some major confusion here. As a long-time follower of this case, I would like to introduce you to some of the cast of characters.

John Mark Byers: adoptive father of Chris Byers, one of the victims

Mark is a very interesting character. At first, he was a staunch believer in the guilt of the WM3 and proclaimed this fact loudly and often. In about 2007, he changed his mind. Now he is one of the staunchest supporters of the innocence of the WM3. He had his teeth removed as a result of gum disease brought on by medication he took for a brain tumor. He has had a checkered past, but in recent years, he has remarried and turned his life around. He has also passed a polygraph (for what it's worth) which exonerates him in these murders. Here is an interview with him before Friday's hearing:

http://www.wmctv.com/category/195967/video-landing-page?clipId=6169294&autostart=true

Melissa Byers: mother of Chris Byers, one of the victims

At the time of the murders, Melissa was married to John Mark Byers. She was devastated by the murder of her son, as was Mark. She believed that the WM3 were guilty until the day she died (March 29, 1996) of undetermined causes: http://wm3.wikia.com/wiki/Melissa_Byers

Terry Wayne Hobbs: step father of Stevie Branch, one of the victims

Terry usually avoids the spotlight. In fact, right after the murders, the WMPD were never able to find him at home for an interview. Mr. Hobbs has lost some teeth and wears partial dentures, a spare set of which were found in a lock box in his home. About two weeks after the murders, Terry left his wife for a while because she couldn't "just get over" her son's death. He also quit his job because his coworkers showed him too much sympathy. Shortly after mtDNA that was a 97.5% match to Mr. Hobbs was identified from a hair found under the ligature of victim Michael Moore, Mr. Hobbs was finally interviewed by the WMPD:

http://www.wm3blackboard.com/forum/index.php?board=23.0 .

Later, Mr. Hobbs brought a civil suit for defamation of character against Natalie Maines Pasdar and the Dixie Chicks. The suit was thrown out of court and Terry ordered to pay court costs (which he has adamantly refused to do). The lawyers for Ms. Pasdar and the Dixie Chicks did what the WMPD couldn't or wouldn't; they investigated Mr. Hobbs. He was deposed as a result of this. The interview lasted for several hours over two days:

http://www.wm3blackboard.com/forum/index.php?board=52.0

Pam Hicks Hobbs: mother of Stevie Branch, one of the victims

Pam's family suspected Terry early on, but Pam (who ended up staying with Terry some years after the murder) was convinced that the WM3 were guilty. As time wore on, she, too, became convinced of their innocence. Although she can't yet bring herself to believe Terry is the killer, she now believes the WM3 to be innocent. Pam's family led police to several items in Terry's possession which had been Stevie's, including a pocket knife that his grandfather (Pam's father) had given him that Pam says Stevie always carried. A few years after the murders, but not before her husband shot her brother in the gut (a wound which eventually led to his death), Pam finally divorced Terry. Here is an interview with Pam the day before the hearing that released the WM3:

http://www.wreg.com/videobeta/566cbfe9-e2d4-4bf0-8f28-f100fd5b14d8/News/Pam-Hobbs-On-WM3-Release

There are, of course, many other players in this drama. These, however, are the ones about whom much misinformation is being posted. I merely wanted to set the record straight. I mean no disrespect. I simply want to inform.