Susan Atkins wants out of jail to die...

[michelle]

Actually, after the State Supreme Court struck down Capital Punishment in 1972, she got 7 years to life with the possibility of parole.

I am of the minority opinion that she should be given a compassionate release. She has been in the hospital since March 17, almost 4 months. By the time the hearing is held, if she lives that long, she will have been in the hospital for 5 months. And, according to her husband, she likely will remain hospitalized even if she is given a release. She is very ill.

With the exception of Manson, Tex Watson, and possibly Squeaky because she is certified mentally ill, I believe all the others should be paroled.

That's just my opinion.

She has been denied parole 11 times. I think there is a reason to that. She needs to stay put, for God sakes she slit a pregnant womans throat as she begged for the life of her child.

 

[shana]

I'm surprised at Bugliosi's stance on this.

As was I. In discussing this whole matter last night via fone w/ an old friend who was staying with me at the time of the murders (close by us in many ways), I concluded that Bugliosi's age possibly compounded by his religion contributed to his change of heart. I've always admired and respected Bug and I still do, but I think he's wrong in this instance.

URLs for info on-case & more:

http://www.mansonfamilytoday.info/manson.htm

http://www.tatefamilylegacy.com/

http://www.susanatkins.org/

 

[shana]

With the exception of Manson, Tex Watson, and possibly Squeaky because she is certified mentally ill, I believe all the others should be paroled.

That's just my opinion.

After watching a few of Leslie's parole hearings, I wanted her paroled...primarily on the basis that if there is any merit in prison rehabilitation as a reason to release, she had met the test. At the same time, I could not get out of my mind the number of times she stabbed Rosemary LaBianca and the way she called-out for Tex to help her do the job. As for him, he was able to marry in prison and spawn children. I don't have to be a member of a victim family to say that very fact turns my stomach.

To this day, the case stirs-up a lot of gut feelings, most especially in those of us who were adults at the time the crimes occurred (ok, I was 7, heh).

As a postscript, I would venture to guess that of the many who *have* been let-out to die at home, none were so notorious as this individual. I would think she and her loved ones would have other matters to attend to at this time aside from more appeals. I don't like the precedent which could be set by granting her a compassionate release.

I'm not devoid of compassion...she will be well-cared for in her present setting.

jmo

 

[XcomSquaddie]

The only reason these women are still in jail is because this is "Manson".
With the exception of the one who tried to kill the President, the others should have been released long ago.

"Sharon was the last to die," Susan said with a laugh as she described how Sharon was begging her, " Please don't kill me. Please don't kill me. I don't want to die. I want to live. I want to have my baby. I want to have my baby."

Susan said she just looked at Sharon straight in the eye and said, "Look, , I don't care about you. I don't care if you're going to have a baby. You had better be ready. You're going to die and I don't feel anything about it...In a few minutes I killed her."

Susan said she saw that there was Sharon's blood on her hand and she tasted it. "Wow, what a trip! To taste death, and yet give life."

Flabbergasted, Virginia asked Susan if it didn't bother her to kill a pregnant woman.

"I thought you understood. I loved her, and in order for me to kill her I was killing part of myself when I killed her," Susan explained. She had wanted to cut out Sharon's baby but there wasn't enough time. She had also wanted to take out all the victims' eyes and squash them against the walls and cut off and mutilate all of their fingers, but they didn't have the chance.

They're in jail because they are sick, twisted, sociopathic killers. They should have been choking on gas decades ago.

The fact they are all still alive is more compassion then they deserve.

 

[deanws]

They're in jail because they are sick, twisted, sociopathic killers. They should have been choking on gas decades ago.

The fact they are all still alive is more compassion then they deserve.

Agreed.

 

[PSUfan]

The only reason these women are still in jail is because this is "Manson".
With the exception of the one who tried to kill the President, the others should have been released long ago.

I thought some were given the death penalty... and the only reason they are still in jail is because the death penalty was voided.

 

[philamena]

How many years has she served?
How many times has she been denied early release?
She is dying...what could it hurt to allow her to die at home?
She doesn't want out to drink, do drugs, have sex and kill again.
She simply wants to die at home.

 

[PSUfan]

How many years has she served?
How many times has she been denied early release?
She is dying...what could it hurt to allow her to die at home?
She doesn't want out to drink, do drugs, have sex and kill again.
She simply wants to die at home.

"I don't want to seem like a heartless creature, but in all my years, I never considered this could happen," said Debra Tate, the actress' sister and only surviving relative. "This is a serial killer, and what kind of mercy did she show her victims? When you torture someone, you have no compassion. How do you ask others to give it to you? It is her duty, in order to pay for her crimes, to die in prison."

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_atkins13.33ba0cf.html

I really hope the court listens to the wishes of the relatives of the victims.

 

[philamena]

She's been in prison since 1971.
That's 31 years. She asked for a

"compassionate release" from prison because she has less than six months to live,

IMO she's served enough time.

 

[PSUfan]

She's been in prison since 1971.
That's 31 years. She asked for a


IMO she's served enough time.

I hope the court, or whoever is in charge, honors the victims families opinions though, and not the general public.

 

[philamena]

I hope the court, or whoever is in charge, honors the victims families opinions though, and not the general public.

I have no doubt the court will honor the victims families. The general public's opinion means nothing when the court considers release of an inmate.
That being said, I can voice my opinion here.

 

[concernedperson]

How many years has she served?
How many times has she been denied early release?
She is dying...what could it hurt to allow her to die at home?
She doesn't want out to drink, do drugs, have sex and kill again.
She simply wants to die at home.

I am not a mean person at all. But, I do think the victim's families should have a right to say how this affects them and their pain. It has been a lifetime of pain for them. If Susan has truly repented then it is up to Our Lord to accept her forgiveness and welcome her to heaven, if that is what He chooses.

Never any reason to re-victimize family of the murdered.

 

[PSUfan]

I have no doubt the court will honor the victims families. The general public's opinion means nothing when the court considers release of an inmate.
That being said, I can voice my opinion here.

I enjoy the exchange of opinions, and do not take any of it personally, and hope you do not either.. I don't mean it that way.

In this case, I agree with the victims family. From Sharon Tates sister, "It is her duty, in order to pay for her crimes, to die in prison."

SHAME on Atkins for putting the families on the spot, and opening these wounds with the victims families.

 

[Jean]

Quote from philamena's post:

She's been in prison since 1971. That's 31 years. She asked for a "compassionate release" from prison because she has less than six months to live, IMO she's served enough time."

philamena, If she had murdered your mother, sister or daughter, would you still feel she had "served enough time"?

Quote from shana's post:

"I would venture to guess that of the many who *have* been let-out to die at home, none were so notorious as this individual. I would think she and her loved ones would have other matters to attend to at this time aside from more appeals. I don't like the precedent which could be set by granting her a compassionate release.

I'm not devoid of compassion...she will be well-cared for in her present setting."


Good post, shana. I don't even want to think about the precedent which would be set if they let this monster out.

 

[Rag Doll 02]

So, in a few years if Charles Manson contracts some horrible disease, do we consider letting him out too ?? After all, he is just a little guy-- and an old one too, who could he hurt ?? And what about Richard Ramirez, Randy Kraft, David Westerfield. Alejandro Avila, Scott Peterson, Gary Ridgeway, and so many other people who have commited unspeakable EVIL acts. Well, when you are spending your life in prison, chances are you are going to get sick there, and die in there. Its part of the consequence for the choices these killers made. Didnt one of the Hillside Stranglers die a while back in prison from some health ailment ?? Well, thats the way the ball bounces..

I also dont like the precedent this could set. When you do life in prison, you die in prison. I will express my compassion by praying for these peoples souls. I'm sorry if I sound cold, but thats the way I feel

 

[Glow]

The more I read about her the LESS impressed I am



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hJbh3P9MzPikM2kD6Yv4HYjFtjKgD919OI1O1

She said the killings were done under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs.

"I was stoned, man, stoned on acid," she testified.

She expressed no remorse until years later when, at her parole hearings, she apologized. But she also suggested she may have exaggerated her role during the trial and that she did not actually kill Tate. The claim was dismissed by prosecutors as self-serving.

At the end of her trial testimony, she said, "I feel no guilt for what I've done. It was right then and I still believe it was right."

A psychiatrist who examined her at the time said she was mentally ill. Jurors heard about her troubled childhood and the trauma of losing her mother at a young age to cancer.

She and the others were sentenced to death but their terms were commuted to life in prison when the U.S. Supreme Court briefly outlawed the death penalty in the 1970s.

 

[philamena]

I enjoy the exchange of opinions, and do not take any of it personally, and hope you do not either.. I don't mean it that way.

In this case, I agree with the victims family. From Sharon Tates sister, "It is her duty, in order to pay for her crimes, to die in prison."

SHAME on Atkins for putting the families on the spot, and opening these wounds with the victims families.

No, No, I love us discussing this. I sincerely mean that. Maybe it's my age, maybe it's my emotions today that make me feel this way. Don't get me wrong, I am glad Atkins served time. I do however feel a little compassion for her because she is dying.

She has no children, maybe no loved ones at all. I wish she could die at home with someone who cares about her.

 

[Rag Doll 02]

My childhood was less than perfect. I have had a rough life--some of it my own doing, some of it not. In my past there is alot of drug and alcohol abuse-- I have tried and abused just about everything out there-- and that included hallucinagens.

But I have never killed anyone. Not even a few I can think of that that might deserve it.

Being under the influence is no excuse for murder

 

[philamena]

SNIP
If Susan has truly repented then it is up to Our Lord to accept her forgiveness and welcome her to heaven, if that is what He chooses.
Never any reason to re-victimize family of the murdered.

Absolutely

 

[Glow]

Really good post Rag Doll :blowkiss: