Susan Atkins wants out of jail to die...

[believe09]

Actually I read today that the it is just a form request; the release takes more than 6 months to process, so she is not expected to live long enough to have it happen....

 

[deanws]

As part of that post, I inicated that I did not think she posed any further danger to society. If I believed she was still a danger to others, I would not want her to be out and in a position to do more harm. I do believe prison is an appropriate place for people who could hurt others.

I don't believe she will harm anyone else, but I still think she needs to finish paying her debt to society...and that means to complete her sentence....which is life "without" parole.

 

[southcitymom]

Actually I read today that the it is just a form request; the release takes more than 6 months to process, so she is not expected to live long enough to have it happen....

Yes, it does seem like that could be the result. Sounds like it has to go through a number of channels. It also sounds like only a small percentage of such requests are granted.

 

[southcitymom]

I don't believe she will harm anyone else, but I still think she needs to finish paying her debt to society...and that means to complete her sentence....which is life "without" parole.

Hey you! Yes, I understand that lots of people perecive prison as the appropriate place to pay such a debt.

 

[wenchie]

I don't believe she will harm anyone else, but I still think she needs to finish paying her debt to society...and that means to complete her sentence....which is life "without" parole.

I believe it was Life with the possibility of parole - else she wouldn't have been granted parole hearings all these years.

 

[southcitymom]

Imagine that.

The family of Sharon Tate has repeatedly shown up at parole hearings to express their desire that Susan complete her full sentence, so I was not suprised that they have the same feelings regarding this request.

There are also families that have an "opposite" approach in such situations.

Neither way is right or wrong. How people grieve the losses and injustices they suffer most intimately is very personal.

 

[southcitymom]

I believe it was Life with the possibility of parole - else she wouldn't have been granted parole hearings all these years.

Is the possibility of parole always an option when a life sentence is handed down in CA? I do not know. Some part of me thinks there is no real life without parole, but I could be wrong.

 

[wenchie]

Is the possibility of parole always an option when a life sentence is handed down in CA? I do not know. Some part of me thinks there is no real life without parole, but I could be wrong.

As far as I know, there is Life Without Possibility Of Parole, but perhaps not at the time of the original sentencing for this group. All death sentences that were reduced to LWPP at that time.

 

[southcitymom]

I know we should treat others how we want to be treated but I have not sypmathy for them. Have a good night!:blowkiss: OH The Happening looks great!

A little off topic, but I just wanted to give fair warning that this was the worst movie I have seen in about 5 years and I go to a movie every Friday night. I was just dumbfounded, flabbergasted, speechless at its awfulness - as was everyone I spoke to in our packed to the rafters theatre. So very very bad. Go see anything but this movie.....

 

[southcitymom]

As far as I know, there is Life Without Possibility Of Parole, but perhaps not at the time of the original sentencing for this group. All death sentences that were reduced to LWPP at that time.

I will take your word for it, wenchie! I do not know much about how all that works in CA!

 

[wenchie]

From what I've heard - every prisoner who was on Death Row at the time the death penalty was overturned (1971?) has since been parole, except for the Manson crowd.

Not saying that I agee with that, it's just that in this country, the notoriety of the crime seems to bear more weight than the actual crime.

 

[southcitymom]

From what I've heard - every prisoner who was on Death Row at the time the death penalty was overturned (1971?) has since been parole, except for the Manson crowd.

Not saying that I agee with that, it's just that in this country, the notoriety of the crime seems to bear more weight than the actual crime.

Very interesting! I do agree with your last statement.

 

[csds703]

The family of Sharon Tate has repeatedly shown up at parole hearings to express their desire that Susan complete her full sentence, so I was not suprised that they have the same feelings regarding this request.

There are also families that have an "opposite" approach in such situations.

Neither way is right or wrong. How people grieve the losses and injustices they suffer most intimately is very personal.

((SCM))

I truly love your heart.

Now that I said that, I don't agree with you about this case.
This was a brutal murder, where the victim was traumatized and terrorized. I believe that to set her free would ultimately be victimizing her family again.
If I were Sharon's family, the only comfort I would have is that Susan's life as she knew it was over. To set her free, would be minimizing her crime.

 

[deanws]

I believe it was Life with the possibility of parole - else she wouldn't have been granted parole hearings all these years.

Yep!:bang: You are correct. :blowkiss:

 

[deanws]

From what I've heard - every prisoner who was on Death Row at the time the death penalty was overturned (1971?) has since been parole, except for the Manson crowd.

Not saying that I agee with that, it's just that in this country, the notoriety of the crime seems to bear more weight than the actual crime.

No, I don't think it is the notoriety. I believe it was the cruel and gruesome way it was committed.

 

[michelle]

A little off topic, but I just wanted to give fair warning that this was the worst movie I have seen in about 5 years and I go to a movie every Friday night. I was just dumbfounded, flabbergasted, speechless at its awfulness - as was everyone I spoke to in our packed to the rafters theatre. So very very bad. Go see anything but this movie.....

I was just getting ready to PM you and ask you about this. I cant believe that! I wanted to see it so bad. DH and I were talking about it last night. Glad you told me that! Man, bummer!

 

[wenchie]

I just read somewhere else that her request to be let out of prison to die has been granted.

 

[Glow]

Just trying to look at this as if I were Susan. She participated in these murders at the age of 21 and while on drugs. The fact that she was on drugs definitely plays a role here as we all know drugs allow a human to "bypass" normal human emotions. In this case the drugs may have played a role in why Susan could slit a pregnant womans throat while she begged for her babys life. Susan may very well feel a sense of detachment from who she was when she did that. I get that.

What I DONT get is the fact that since all of this...since imprisonment and since being off drugs and since finding God...why hasnt she made any statement of remorse? I havent read her book, is it in there? I dont "see" it in her art work. I dont "see" it in her eyes in her photo. Again going back to if it were me? I would be a different person off drugs. I would be so full of remorse and horror at my actions the state would have a hard time keeping me from not taking my own life. Everyday I would think about what I had done. I believe that what we "think" constantly eventually ends up carved on our face. The inner us gets displayed on the outer us. By the age of 56, with daily feelings of remorse and sorrow for my actions, I think I would probably look like one ravaged woman who never got over it. Losing my leg would be a good thing to me. I would feel like karma was addressing a wrong that I couldn't even begin to pay for. Brain cancer? I would say great! Bring it on! I deserve it! Now I finally can pay. It would give me peace to know that I could somehow suffer in ANY way, because after all, I deserved to. I would think that everything that was happening to me was a consequence of my choices and actions and I would welcome it as such.

I have been with people who are dying. They achieve a plane of consciousness and grace that the rest of us cant seem to tap in to. A place where the things we think are so important become trivial concerns and what formerly seemed trivial becomes paramount. This process occurs whether one is in a hospital bed or in a home. Susan, if shes got anything worthwhile in herself can achieve that right where she is. She has the gift of time while dying to do so. Sharon Tate did not get that time. Regardlesss, I hope Susan finds that place in her heart and thoughts in the months she has remaining.

 

[michelle]

Just trying to look at this as if I were Susan. She participated in these murders at the age of 21 and while on drugs. The fact that she was on drugs definitely plays a role here as we all know drugs allow a human to "bypass" normal human emotions. In this case the drugs may have played a role in why Susan could slit a pregnant womans throat while she begged for her babys life. Susan may very well feel a sense of detachment from who she was when she did that. I get that.

What I DONT get is the fact that since all of this...since imprisonment and since being off drugs and since finding God...why hasnt she made any statement of remorse? I havent read her book, is it in there? I dont "see" it in her art work. I dont "see" it in her eyes in her photo. Again going back to if it were me? I would be a different person off drugs. I would be so full of remorse and horror at my actions the state would have a hard time keeping me from not taking my own life. Everyday I would think about what I had done. I believe that what we "think" constantly eventually ends up carved on our face. The inner us gets displayed on the outer us. By the age of 56, with daily feelings of remorse and sorrow for my actions, I think I would probably look like one ravaged woman who never got over it. Losing my leg would be a good thing to me. I would feel like karma was addressing a wrong that I couldn't even begin to pay for. Brain cancer? I would say great! Bring it on! I deserve it! Now I finally can pay. It would give me peace to know that I could somehow suffer in ANY way, because after all, I deserved to. I would think that everything that was happening to me was a consequence of my choices and actions and I would welcome it as such.

I have been with people who are dying. They achieve a plane of consciousness and grace that the rest of us cant seem to tap in to. A place where the things we think are so important become trivial concerns and what formerly seemed trivial becomes paramount. This process occurs whether one is in a hospital bed or in a home. Susan, if shes got anything worthwhile in herself can achieve that right where she is. She has the gift of time while dying to do so. Sharon Tate did not get that time. Regardlesss, I hope Susan finds that place in her heart and thoughts in the months she has remaining.

Thats what I dont understand either. I would be begging and pleading for forgiveness.

 

[wenchie]

No, I don't think it is the notoriety. I believe it was the cruel and gruesome way it was committed.

I think it's the notoriety that has kept - and will keep - Leslie from ever getting paroled. She wasn't even at the Tate house.