Susan G. Komen charity pulls grants

[Montjoy]

AP article: Komen drops plan to cut Planned Parenthood grants

While I applaud their change of heart, this makes it clear that their earlier decision had nothing to do with accusations of misuse of funds against PP.

 

[Emma Peel]

Shifting stories bring more woe to Susan G. Komen for the Cure (Daily Kos)

That was the problem. I was so surprised by this. It made me think Nancy Brinker must be out of touch with a misguided exec committee. Given today's news, perhaps that, in fact, was the problem.

Succession planning & transition is difficult in any business...

 

[Kimberlyd125]

While I applaud their change of heart, this makes it clear that their earlier decision had nothing to do with accusations of misuse of funds against PP.

No it proves that big bullies who call for boycotting a legit charity can MAKE that charity keep giving grants to those they don't think deserve them.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I wonder how much damage this has done to SGK an how many women will not be getting cancer screens because the liberal media caused a stink over a $700,000 grant being pulled from a corrupt agency.

Way to go!!!

 

[Emma Peel]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...nding-policy/2012/02/03/gIQAVRa3mQ_story.html

The statement left some ambiguity, however, because it did not mention a second reason Komen has given for ending Planned Parenthood’s funding: that the group did not provide direct mammogram services but instead referred patients to other providers.

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Komen founder Nancy Brinker said the organization wants to support groups that directly provide breast health services, such as mammograms. She noted that Planned Parenthood was providing only mammogram referrals.

Yeah, clear that up, please. B/C planned parenthood clients won't go the clinic that gives free mammograms if the PP clinic appt that makes those referrals don't happen. It seems to me, for the women it services for women's health care, the PP gyn appointment has to happen, has to be funded, for the discussion/education about breast health and the free mammogram referral to happen. :waitasec:

 

[Emma Peel]

I wonder how much damage this has done to SGK an how many women will not be getting cancer screens because the liberal media caused a stink over a $700,000 grant being pulled from a corrupt agency.

Way to go!!!

Excuse me?
Who's fault is it? :lol:
Seriously, that's funny. And yet, so sad to think anyone would think that Komen itself does not bear the responsibility for this huge mis-step & backlash.

And if <some> conservatives decide not to give funds to Komen over a $700,000 annual grant provided to PP, and some women don't get cancer screens because <some> conservatives boycott Komen and their war against cancer -- well, IMO, THAT loss of funding is on those donors.

Responsibility where it belongs, please. :cow:

I agree it will be interesting to see if Komen can recover from this.

Personally, I hope they change things up under all this intense scrutiny, and become an even stronger, more focused and apolitical institution in this fight against cancer .

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Excuse me?
Who's fault is it? :lol:
Seriously, that's funny. And yet, so sad to think anyone would think that Komen itself does not bear the responsibility for this huge mis-step & backlash.

I agree it will be interesting to see if Komen can recover from this.

Personally, I hope they change things up under all this intense scrutiny, and become an even stronger, more focused and apolitical institution in this fight against cancer .

A charity should be able to pull a grant for any reason.

Who's fault is it?
1) liberal media
2) uninformed people who think PP is some sort of saving grace and overlook the corruption

 

[Kimberlyd125]

A charity should be able to pull a grant for any reason.

Who's fault is it?
1) liberal media
2) uninformed people who think PP is some sort of saving grace and overlook the corruption

And...

3) people who don't understand that if SGK does not receive donations, over 700,000 women who need mammograms will not get them each year. All because of a $700,000 grant being pulled.
Simple math. It makes NO SENSE!

 

[Emma Peel]

A charity should be able to pull a grant for any reason.

Who's fault is it?
1) liberal media
2) uninformed people who think PP is some sort of saving grace and overlook the corruption

Are you calling me uninformed people? LOL.

Okay so ... Komen can turn away PP's grant applications next year and provide a real explanation of why.

No harm, no foul. But I guess we'll just have to wait to see what Komen really believes is the problem with providing grants to PP...

 

[Emma Peel]

And...

3) people who don't understand that if SGK does not receive donations, over 700,000 women who need mammograms will not get them each year. All because of a $700,000 grant being pulled.
Simple math. It makes NO SENSE!

Why the heck wouldn't people donate to Komen?
On the wishful thinking that PP is corrupt?

Or on the belief that Komen has become politicized and that that is not proper?

Maybe both?

That's not simple math. That's political capital that you're mathing there. IMO.

 

[Gardenlady]

The liberal media! :floorlaugh:
Right up there with other popular scapegoats like:

Feminazis
Radical gay agenda
Socialists
Secret Muslims (aka probable terrorists)

Gimme a break.

 

[wfgodot]

Lazy media reports Komen Foundation decision as 'reversal.' It isn't. (Daily Kos)

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Yes, it really is unclear. The Komen Foundation needs to state unequivocally that it will continue its long practice of working with Planned Parenthood; otherwise, this looks like nothing more than an attempt to try to change the narrative and the non-stop negative headlines about the foundation's politicizing of breast cancer prevention.
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[daisy7]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...nding-policy/2012/02/03/gIQAVRa3mQ_story.html



Yeah, clear that up, please. B/C planned parenthood clients won't go the clinic that gives free mammograms if the PP clinic appt that makes those referrals don't happen. It seems to me, for the women it services for women's health care, the PP gyn appointment has to happen, has to be funded, for the discussion/education about breast health and the free mammogram referral to happen. :waitasec:

Yeah, I want to know the reason for leaving out the second "supposed" reason for withdrawing funding. First the excuse was the investigation, then cuz PP doesn't directly provide and now the announcement that they will not consider the investigation for future grantees, but no mention of the direct service.

This flip flopping definitely does not make them look any better (to me). I am curious how this will impact them in the long term -- I don't expect it will be in a positive way.

 

[daisy7]

A charity should be able to pull a grant for any reason.

Who's fault is it?
1) liberal media
2) uninformed people who think PP is some sort of saving grace and overlook the corruption

As one who has worked in the nonprofit and grants world for many years, NO --a foundation CANNOT pull a grant for any reason. The majority of grants (especially one of this size) have a contract which both parties sign. Unless the grantee has violated the contract (which it doesn't seem that PP could have done as they are currently under a contract).

Liberal media and uninformed people?? I'll just say that I'm glad the "informed people" are in the minority in this matter.

 

[wfgodot]

The Susan G. Komen pink pistol: Perfect for shooting yourself in the foot! (Daily Kos)

Komen said no to Planned Parenthood but yes to guns (seattlepi.com)

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Why the heck wouldn't people donate to Komen?
On the wishful thinking that PP is corrupt?

Or on the belief that Komen has become politicized and that that is not proper?

Maybe both?

That's not simple math. That's political capital that you're mathing there. IMO.

Wishful thinking? Its very well documented.
I provided several links yesterday.

They have been audited several times and have had to pay the gov back a lot of money for over billing.

Google Planned Parenthood fraud.
The info is there.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Are you calling me uninformed people? LOL.

Okay so ... Komen can turn away PP's grant applications next year and provide a real explanation of why.

No harm, no foul. But I guess we'll just have to wait to see what Komen really believes is the problem with providing grants to PP...

Well I don't know.
How much have you looked into the corruption at PP?

There reason should not matter. They raised the money.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

As one who has worked in the nonprofit and grants world for many years, NO --a foundation CANNOT pull a grant for any reason. The majority of grants (especially one of this size) have a contract which both parties sign. Unless the grantee has violated the contract (which it doesn't seem that PP could have done as they are currently under a contract).

Liberal media and uninformed people?? I'll just say that I'm glad the "informed people" are in the minority in this matter.

I said "should be able to"
:smile:

Do you not care that your tax dollars (over $1 million a day) go to PP but they continue to overcharge and use wrong codes.

 

[ziggy]

Gee for a foundation claiming they don't bow to political pressure they sure folded like cheap lawn chairs.

Those senators should be ashamed of themselves. They are putting political pressure on a private charitable organization.

If you sign on with PP, you better be in it for life...they seem to be like the mob.

 

[animlzrule]

I'm cautiously encouraged that they have capitulated, however, personally, until they clean house at the topmost positions of their organization and cease the politically motivated decision making and choose breast cancer advocacy over pandering to right wing causes, no more donations from me. Permanent damage has been done.