Susan G. Komen charity pulls grants

[tiredblondy]

I knew this was coming, you can't say you're stopping contributions to one group because of investigations (political or not) then give Penn State 7.5 MILLION to their medical center for research.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/komen-foundation-gave-75-million-grant-penn-state


Like Planned Parenthood, Penn State is currently the subject of a federal government investigation, and like the Planned Parenthood grant, the Penn State grant appears to violate a new internal rule at Komen that bans grants to organizations that are under investigation by federal, state, or local governments. But so far, only the Planned Parenthood grants appear to have been cancelled.

Bumping up

 

[tiredblondy]

No but they are not penalizing any other recipient for the reason they are stating that funds were pulled from PP. That is what the outcry is about and my concern. There's a lot of info here...I think the below statement speaks for itself.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/02/komen-foundation-gave-75-million-grant-penn-state

Komen's founder, Nancy Brinker, is a former Bush administration official who has given almost $200,000 to Republican officials over the years, and Karen Handel, Komen's top lobbyist, is a pro-life Republican who was elected secretary of state in Georgia. Komen officials have insisted that Brinker and Handel's right-leaning politics weren't a factor in the decision to cut off funding, but Goldberg reported that the new grant standards were written as a pretext for denying funds to Planned Parenthood, and that the decision was "driven" by Handel.

Brinker, appearing on MSNBC Thursday afternoon, denied the decision had anything to do with politics. "I'm troubled that it's been labeled as political. This is not a political decision," Brinker said.


If it's not political then they are going to have to pull funds from any organization that is being investigated as the memo stated below

An internal Komen memo written by President Elizabeth Thompson and obtained by Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic states that if "an applicant or its affiliates" is under investigation "for financial or administrative improprieties by local, state or federal authorities," then "the applicant will be ineligible to receive a grant." Penn State, the Pennsylvania university that the Hershey center is affiliated with, is currently under investigation by the federal government over the sexual assault scandal involving former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, who has been indicted on multiple counts of sexual abuse of children. In 2008, the Komen foundation awarded a five-year, $7.5 million grant to the Hershey center to study treatments that could reduce the risk of breast cancer. BB & Underlined by me

It's a quandry to say the least. My concern is that it certainly seems political to me.

Bumping up

 

[RoseRed]

I'm cautiously encouraged that they have capitulated, however, personally, until they clean house at the topmost positions of their organization and cease the politically motivated decision making and choose breast cancer advocacy over pandering to right wing causes, no more donations from me. Permanent damage has been done.

A lot of people will no longer donate to Komen because of relenting to bully tactics and giving in to the big bullies on PP's behave. I would never knowingly support PP in any way. Up until this happened I did not know about the PP grant.

PP can never do enough good to overcome the evil they do by murdering helpless innocent babies. My opinion only of course! :furious:

 

[tiredblondy]

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/nati...es-restores-funding-planned-parenthood/48270/

New criteria-

Our original desire was to fulfill our fiduciary duty to our donors by not funding grant applications made by organizations under investigation. We will amend the criteria to make clear that disqualifying investigations must be criminal and conclusive in nature and not political. That is what is right and fair.

For me the following is what it was about.

The Hershey Medical Facility may not get a 7 million grant renewed for research because it is affiliated with Penn State. You cannot say one day " if an applicant or its affiliates" is under investigation "for financial or administrative improprieties by local, state or federal authorities," then "the applicant will be ineligible to receive a grant." and then only apply it to one organization when there are others actively under investigation like Penn State.


Now they have changed it to...

Our original desire was to fulfill our fiduciary duty to our donors by not funding grant applications made by organizations under investigation. We will amend the criteria to make clear that disqualifying investigations must be criminal and conclusive in nature and not political. That is what is right and fair.

They themselves added "not political" and right and fair. For me it was the unfairness of it. You have to have criteria. Now we all know Penn State is in trouble I hope there will be a way for Hershey Medical not to lose it's funding.

I don't believe they "caved" I think someone finally took an objective look and realized that it wasn't fair or right and was political. Yes the contracts have already been signed for the Hershey Medical center but only for a certain time.

When the lady was asked about Penn State yesterday it was obvious they hadn't thought of that and that 7 mil would not be renewed for the Hershey Med Center's research after their time ran out.

Also it's obvious that any investigations into PP were not criminal and conclusive in nature and not political or they could not reactivate the funding.

I think that settles EVERYTHING on both sides.

 

[tiredblondy]

I don't think I will ever get over the number of people who assume that, if abortion were outlawed, somehow we'd be a nation "favored by God," and that abortions would cease. If abortions were outlawed, what would happen is this: the wealthy would still be able to -and would - obtain them - family connections, being "in the know," being able to afford safe facilities, being able to fly to whatever country they needed, were that the only way; the not-so-rich, those not in the know, the lower-middle, the poor? Back to the back alleys, back to the coat hanger, back to endangering a woman's life based on the belief a zygote is a human being and thus uniquely protected by law. Back to women not having the right of reproductive freedom, back to the dictates of male legislatures controlling a woman's life. Never again, I say, NEVER AGAIN, must we go back.

AMEN Wfgodot, Someone was telling a story on one of the forums yesterday that the planned parenthood person had talked this 15 yr old girls pimp into bringing her in for an abortion(not) and they were able to arrest him and take the girl,hide her, She had her baby and both were put into foster care. The young mother had finished high school, was going to college and working part time while staying with the family, who cared for her baby while she was in school and at work.

I was also reading an article that said PP gives many poor women their exams and if something is found and the woman/child is referred for a mammogram the SK funds can be used to pay for it.

I'm not trying to sway anyone's opinion, I'm just trying to share info others may not know.

 

[wfgodot]

Here's my post again - deleted it to work on it and maybe make it better. Guess it says what I feel and that's good enough:

I don't think I will ever get over the number of people who assume that, if abortion were outlawed, somehow we'd be a nation "favored by God," and that abortions would cease. If abortions were outlawed, what would happen is this: the wealthy would still be able to -and would - obtain them - family connections, being "in the know," being able to afford safe facilities, being able to fly to whatever country they needed, were that the only way; the not-so-rich, those not in the know, the lower-middle, the poor? Back to the back alleys, back to the coat hanger, back to endangering a woman's life based on the belief a zygote is a human being and thus uniquely protected by law. Back to women not having the right of reproductive freedom, back to the dictates of male legislatures controlling a woman's life. Never again, I say, NEVER AGAIN, must we go back.

 

[tiredblondy]

I'm cautiously encouraged that they have capitulated, however, personally, until they clean house at the topmost positions of their organization and cease the politically motivated decision making and choose breast cancer advocacy over pandering to right wing causes, no more donations from me. Permanent damage has been done.

I think they resigned, didn't they?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I'm cautiously encouraged that they have capitulated, however, personally, until they clean house at the topmost positions of their organization and cease the politically motivated decision making and choose breast cancer advocacy over pandering to right wing causes, no more donations from me. Permanent damage has been done.

For real???

PP is running a national ad campaign in support of BO.
Is that not political?
Very publicly political.

But he's a Dem so that's ok?

Pa-lease.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Again, this has nothing to do with abortions.

It's about breast health.

 

[animlzrule]

For real???

PP is running a national ad campaign in support of BO.
Is that not political?
Very publicly political.

But he's a Dem so that's ok?
Pa-lease.

BBM No, it's ok because he's on the right side of women's health issues and national healthcare. It's an embarassment that the US doesn't provide health care to all of it's citizens. It's indefensible to not support it. PP is in the business of assisting women in their health care needs regardless of ability to pay or social status. Of course they are supporting his administration. Who are they going to support, Newt??? Mitt???? Puh-leeze.

 

[tiredblondy]

[Quote Kimberly125
Again, this has nothing to do with abortions.

It's about breast health. End Quote]

Sorry, that IS the bottom line- but for me it was not right and fair as only PP was addressed and not other institutions that fit their previous stated criteria.

Statement from Susan G. Komen Board of Directors and Founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker;
exerpt
Our original desire was to fulfill our fiduciary duty to our donors by not funding grant applications made by organizations under investigation. We will amend the criteria to make clear that disqualifying investigations must be criminal and conclusive in nature and not political. That is what is right and fair. underlined by me

All of their statement can be read here...
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/nati...es-restores-funding-planned-parenthood/48270/

This was their new defining statement of criteria. They added the "not political" and the "right and fair".

Why would they have added that if it wasn't true? The initial criteria was carelessly pushed through by someone with an agenda which caused this whole ballyhoo. That was my concern. If I make donations I want them to be distributed rightly and fairly, not subject to someone's personal agenda. I don't know if I'm making myself clear or not. It is a fact that a lot of Komen money goes into lawsuits suing people for using "the cure". That's not where I want my money going and I don't want it going to pay for ads for Obama either. I want it to go to my neighbor down the road who gets all her woman check ups through PP and yes in her situation SK did pay for her mammogram.

 

[animlzrule]

I think they resigned, didn't they?

Not all of them, no. One of the main instigators of this blatantly political move is Karen Handel. She still holds her position. She is also now being conspicuously silent. They probably have her interviewing PR firms to try to spin them out of this mess. :furious:

 

[animlzrule]

Again, this has nothing to do with abortions.

It's about breast health.

Right, and SGK screwed up big time. They lost sight of their purpose, and are now suffering big consequences. As they should. But the bright side is that PP is now benefiting from SGK's slipperly political stunt. :woohoo: (We all know this has everything to do with abortions.)

 

[tiredblondy]

Right, and SGK screwed up big time. They lost sight of their purpose, and are now suffering big consequences. As they should. But the bright side is that PP is now benefiting from SGK's slipperly political stunt. :woohoo:

Also so much has been identified that they do which has been enlightening to many.

 

[Emma Peel]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanad...arenthood-what-susan-g-komen-should-do-now/2/

Interesting PR strategy input. I would not be surprised if we see someone's resignation soon. From the Board, if not from exec offices.

Komen needs to take a hard look at its internal workings and figure out where its strategy went wrong, and, preferably, fire a high level executive or board member who had responsibility for the botched strategy, says Levick. That way, Komen can be honest when it tells supporters and sponsors that changes have been made in the organizati

Komen needs to make both apologies and internal changes, including bringing on new, politically progressive board members and staff, to counter recent steps taken by conservative board members and executives.

Though Komen could reap some publicity benefits if it handles its post-crisis strategy well, it will be a long road forward, agree Levick, Miller and Diermeier. “Richard Nixon taught us that nothing is irrevocable,” notes Levick. “He also taught us that it’s damn hard to get the stink off.”

 

[Emma Peel]

Again, this has nothing to do with abortions.

It's about breast health.

what?

I thought it was about corruption, the investigation of PP, and the investigation of PP is about abortions.

Why insist it's got nothing to do with abortions, when we all know the investigation has EVERYTHING to do with abortions?

This article should be of interest:

http://www.ocala.com/article/201202...ainment02?Title=Stearns-defends-investigation

Stearns told Fox News that Planned Parenthood had received $487 million in federal, state and local funding last year and had faced allegations of overbilling and fraud.

According to news accounts, Planned Parenthood was sued by one of its former executives in Los Angeles for reportedly overbilling California taxpayers by $180 million for purchases of birth control.

In October 2010, Planned Parenthood in Washington state paid $345,000 to settle a Medicaid fraud accusation involving overbilling for abortions conducted between 2004 and 2007.

Within that context, Stearns said, it was appropriate for the Komen charity to pull its funding because it was “not quite clear” what the Planned Parenthood's affiliates did with it.

 

[animlzrule]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanad...arenthood-what-susan-g-komen-should-do-now/2/

Interesting PR strategy input. I would not be surprised if we see someone's resignation soon. From the Board, if not from exec offices.

I just now replied to an email from my local SGK organization--oddly, a THANK YOU ("for your voice, concern and support") this week. My reply said much the same thing as your link above Emma. They have clearly lost their way and have lost the public's trust in their mission. They need to clean house, OR, come clean about what kind of organization they really intend to run and be honest about their political agenda. That way, people won't be in the dark about their motivations and insidious conservative leanings. Getting rid of Karen Handel would be a good start.

 

[animlzrule]

A little truth amidst all of the anti-PP rhetoric:

Planned Obsolescence
How to drive Planned Parenthood out of the abortion business.The answer is: Give it to Planned Parenthood.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...parenthood_out_of_the_abortion_business_.html

 

[Emma Peel]

A little truth amidst all of the anti-PP rhetoric:

Planned Obsolescence
How to drive Planned Parenthood out of the abortion business.The answer is: Give it to Planned Parenthood.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...parenthood_out_of_the_abortion_business_.html

Thanks.
Yes, it's pretty logical.
IMO, This issue (abortion) is far less of an issue because of the work of PP.

just a clip from this factual, but lil' bit sassy article.

Apparently, the evil morons at Planned Parenthood haven’t figured this out. They’re trying to flood the world with contraceptives. If they succeed, they’re going to shrink global demand for abortions. They’re killing their own abortion business.

Why not help them?

If you want to drive Planned Parenthood out of the abortion business, don’t send them less money. Send them more. Help Planned Parenthood become what it has wanted to be all along: The organization that helps women avoid unwanted pregnancies, so they don’t have to abort them.

 

[wfgodot]

Some people never cease to amaze me with their sheer audacity in disregarding fact:

In Komen Foundation debacle, conservatives see themselves as victims (Daily Kos)

Well, that didn't take long. For years there has been a coordinated campaign among the right to Planned Parenthood, to subject it to as many spurious new "requirements" and "investigations" as it possibly can, and to attack any group that associated itself with it, even in the most marginal ways. This included the Susan G. Komen Foundation, which gave Planned Parenthood money and was therefore deemed unclean.

But it took only about two days for those very same conservative figures to declare that the blistering public outrage against the Komen Foundation for caving in to those demands (mind you, there was precious little pressure involved with the "cave," as the shift appears to be mostly due to the group's own ideological stances) was itself "gangsterism" and the like. In other words, and as usual, it's conservatives who are the real victims here.
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Time after time, issue after issue, they try this same tactic; time after time some people fall for it. Amazing; amazing and depressing.

More at Daily Kos link above.