Suspicious behavior of Haleigh Cummings father

[MADJGNLAW]

FWIW and my own experience - this hand is not injured from punching. Between his pinky and ring finger - there is injury - that does NOT come from punching. I'll give ya the knuckles but even that - the scrapes on the knuckles aren't on the "peaks" but off to the sides- not indicitive of punching.

His hand is sure "beat up" but IMO it is not from punching a wall or car or whatever it was we were told he punched. KWIM?

I agree the injuries on his hand don't look as if he punched something. The pinky is swollen and the skin is raw between his fingers. It seems as if he was holding on to something and it slipped out of his hand. Maybe a rope? Maybe he was doing car repairs and got cut from that.
IMO, they are not injuries from punching something. But that is JMO...I could be wrong, as I am at times. LOL :angel:

The crab trap theory that is being talked about is very plausible. What if he was lowering the trap and the rope/trap slipped out of his hand? :sick: Sick to think about it, but it to is a plausible theory. Which takes me back to the interview he did with Art Harris (I think),and talked about his favorite fishing place and there was talk about an area that would be a great area to get rid of a body due to the gators.



I was looking for the article about Ron's favorite fishing place and could not find it. I did find a response from Art Harris on his site though.

"Snip" http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/26/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-grandmother/
Here is what it says:
136: Art Harris Says:
March 28th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Sources also tell me weeks ago police searched the wooded area where Cobra was tromping around with Haleigh’s grandmother, used tracking dogs that stopped at the water’s edge of a nearby lake, where divers a;sp searched and found nothing. Same lake Ronald and Cobra visited together when the father was talking (I was shooting that day) — this time about a favorite fishing hole he said he’d visited with a relative who has been interviewed by police and once remarked what a great place it would be to get rid of a body. Gators galore. At least that was Ronald’s story.

 

[tehcloser]

GGMS in the early days was talking about knowing "the river" because she had been a blue crab fisher............I don't have link right off hand, it would be a video. Maybe someone else recalls.

 

[TxLady2]

Yes, they did.

~snip~
Investigators searched house-to-house and dive teams probed the St. Johns River.
~end snip~

More at link

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/local/0211095_Police_missing_girl_abducted

Pics here that show the searches (no divers though-but I know I have seen pics of them diving in the river searching for her-I just don't feel like digging right now!)

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/021009missinggirl/indexGallery.htm

This article also states this:

~snip~
According to investigators, Haleigh was last seen on Monday night around 10 p.m. in her mobile home on Green Lane. Haleigh, her younger brother and her father's 17-year-old girlfriend, Mistie Croslin, went to bed in the same room. Deputies say Croslin told them that the little girl got up to go to the bathroom around 3:30 a.m., about the same time Haleigh's father, Ronald, got home from work. When they went back into the bedroom they discovered Haleigh was gone.
~end snip~

BBM-This is the first story I recall hearing about how the abduction occured.
I am thinking WTH? How can someone come into your home when you are awake and take a child and you don't see them? Then the stories started changing and well, you know the rest.

FWIW, I think it could be just misreporting by various reporters. When a story like this breaks, you can't always rely on the first reports, because invariably no two of them are alike, esp. in the first day or two, because they're scrambling to get the story in and not too concerned with the truth at that point.

 

[lil momma]

GGMS in the early days was talking about knowing "the river" because she had been a blue crab fisher............I don't have link right off hand, it would be a video. Maybe someone else recalls.

I recall GGM stating this, i also recall lots of discussion about why she would even mention that. I do believe that she also stated something to the effect that she knows it so well, even in the dark. (not exact wording)

 

[Kimster]

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but some appear to be theories. I also haven't had a chance to read the article, so please don't throw tomatoes at me for saying this but if the theories are not addressed in the article, take them to the theories thread.

If they are in the article, please ignore this reminder. :crazy:

 

[Maryann123]

Art Harris Says:
February 14th, 2010 at 3:06 am
Sandy–One story we broke was that he punched the wall or the door, and his injured knuckles were immediately noticed by LE, and tested. Blood was also found on the wall he punched with indentations that matched his hand.
art
http://www.artharris.com/2010/02/10/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dad-undercover/#more-3904

He may have punched the door/wall but the injuries don't match what you would expect from punching a wall or door. I still think it could have come from Misty scratching him, or from hiding a body in the brush. I believe he was attacking Misty and Haleigh tried to protect Misty. I don't think Ronald killed her on purpose, but none the less, I think he did!

My name is actually Sandy, and I am the one that sent that question to Art Harris.

 

[LoveEndsWar]

I have been thinking about Rc and the way he responded in hindsight. And they say hindsight is 20/20. He talks about her in the past tense right away and often. One would expect him to assume the worst and hope for the best, right? Just compare him to the Klaas and Lundsford fathers, even the Smarts.. They were quick to take poly's give DNA and whatever else it would take to clear them first. Often times the family is the first one LE suspects. They don't complain even though it might be aggravating. They cooperate and stick it out without b****ing (for lack of a better word). They don't scream what they were doing and how LE has it all wrong. They don't hang up on 911. They franticly search for their child. They reach out to the press, instead of the other way around. They have a detailed description of what their child was wearing when they last seen them. They don't have any kind of celebration and up and leave town. They are questioned for hours and hours and go back for as many hours as LE wants. They plea to the abductor on the news. They appreciate that no stone is unturned, that LE is doing everything they can. They cooperate. They offer to take drug tests. And most of all they hope that their child is indeed alive. RC lack of hope is the most disturbing. It bothers me. Why doesn't RC state what Haleigh was wearing when he last seen her? Why doesn't he reveal that he had contact with ToC? Why does he work overtime when he can't reach MC? Why does he not provide the information the 911 dispatch is asking for? "F her date of birth". Really...? Why doesn't he demand the dumpster and landfills searched? Oh man. Oh man is all I can say. Only God can judge him. Rrrrriiiigghhhtttt. Why oh why does he coach MC on where the beds were and who was sleeping where..he wasn't there. Why does he jump so quick at-"How the F can you let my daughter get stole B"- without running around the trailer park and pond and river and railroad tracks and the entire neighborhood? Why.? His first thought is he is going to kill whoever has her and is more concerned with that then he is any of Haleighs vital information. He doesn't mention her Turners syndrome. He never explains exactly how the door was wide open. He insists that MC is telling all she knows and LE is "barking up the wrong tree". _How can he know that?_ He defends MC, hugs her and holds her instead of grill her. I now believe he knows and his actions make me believe that he is the key. He stops at the store for a beer, which isn't a big deal after a little overtime but when you don't know how your child is doing, a beer isn't your priority. He marries the last person who had his child 30 days after his child is missing during a major search even after she disappears for 3 days only to return and "lose" your child. He had alot BIGGER problem that statutory charges, and if that was his concern- he could have went to the justice of the peace. He was trying to make $$ of of his misfortune by selling his wedding shots. How utterly inappropiate! I believe the tattoo shop when he was bragging on his financial gain. He spent 400.00 on tattoos when he could have spent that on a private investigator. Even the Anthonys did that...even if it was for the wrong reasons. This is just my opinion based on the actions of RC. He was so sure the door had been locked, without considering it had been unlocked after he went to work. He doesn't explore that possibility, but claims that someone could pick it or pry it without any signs of forced entry. Its too suspicious. Afterall- he wasn't there.

He seemed more worried about having custody/hurting CS any way he could.(providing a false address for her to receive her court papers).
He seemed more worried about his alibi.
He seemed more worried about protecting MC/proposing to and marrying her/going out of town.
He seemed more worried about his guns.
He seemed more worried about threatening MC through TM.
He seemed more worried about going out of his way to instill fear in ToC (headless rat).
He seemed more worried about getting on the BIG networks saying nothing of value.
He seemed more worried about DB finding out anything. (telling MC DBs a snitch)
He seemed more worried about his passing his LDT.(and oh he said MC passed hers too).
He seemed more worried about what time he got to work and off work.
He seemed more worried about beer and peanuts.
He seemed more worried about the media asking questions he didn't feel like bothering with.
He seemed more worried about his drugs.(than keeping Jr safe).
He seemed more worried about his chain/dirty underwear/soapy armpits/a snitch in jail/and making racial slurs.
He seemed more worried about what everyone thought about him.(including NG & UCs).
He seemed more worried about divorcing MC and getting his name tattoed on her.
He seemed more worried about getting a criminal defense attorney.
He seemed more worried about ...well.. everything but Haleigh.Sadly.

 

[Maryann123]

I'm not really sure where to post this, and please forgive me if this has been addressed, but I question the sleeping arrangements of these people. Is this what we are supposed to believe was the normal setup? I noticed Haleigh's bed frame is still sitting in the other room, although her mattress is on the floor of the master bedroom. Maybe this isn't a big deal, but I find it strange that any sexually active parent would have children in the same room, much less the same bed as he and his partner. Since Haleigh has her own bed, how about Jr? I'm a little suspicious of this, and I wonder if that mattress was placed in the master for show, only. I don't know what difference it would make, but just sticks out to me.

 

[Donjeta]

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but some appear to be theories. I also haven't had a chance to read the article, so please don't throw tomatoes at me for saying this but if the theories are not addressed in the article, take them to the theories thread.

If they are in the article, please ignore this reminder. :crazy:

I think this thread branched out from the article almost right from the start and evolved into a thread about any suspicious activity by RC. Is that not OK?

 

[debs]

I'm not really sure where to post this, and please forgive me if this has been addressed, but I question the sleeping arrangements of these people. Is this what we are supposed to believe was the normal setup? I noticed Haleigh's bed frame is still sitting in the other room, although her mattress is on the floor of the master bedroom. Maybe this isn't a big deal, but I find it strange that any sexually active parent would have children in the same room, much less the same bed as he and his partner. Since Haleigh has her own bed, how about Jr? I'm a little suspicious of this, and I wonder if that mattress was placed in the master for show, only. I don't know what difference it would make, but just sticks out to me.

Sleeping in the bed with them
Sleeping at the foot of the bed on a mattress
Sleeping on a mattress 4 inches away
Sleeping on a mattress 4 feet away

It shouldn't be a buffet.

 

[Beatrice]

I'm not really sure where to post this, and please forgive me if this has been addressed, but I question the sleeping arrangements of these people. Is this what we are supposed to believe was the normal setup? I noticed Haleigh's bed frame is still sitting in the other room, although her mattress is on the floor of the master bedroom. Maybe this isn't a big deal, but I find it strange that any sexually active parent would have children in the same room, much less the same bed as he and his partner. Since Haleigh has her own bed, how about Jr? I'm a little suspicious of this, and I wonder if that mattress was placed in the master for show, only. I don't know what difference it would make, but just sticks out to me.

I agree....What is a new couple doing with 2 children in their bed?

Haleigh's room had the frame for the mattress.

I'll assume there was another bedroom for Junior.

 

[LoveEndsWar]

I agree....What is a new couple doing with 2 children in their bed?

Haleigh's room had the frame for the mattress.

I'll assume there was another bedroom for Junior.

The kids probably slept on the couch regularly and woke up and went in the parents room. But who knows? The bed frame propped up was out of place, even if they moved the matress why prop the frame up, seems like a hazard. If DCF required the kids have seperate rooms which they did and should have, shouldn't those rooms be equipped with working beds? Isn't that what they required and why they had to move in the first place? And yeah I agree why not show Jrs room?

 

[Lexington]

I agree....What is a new couple doing with 2 children in their bed?

Haleigh's room had the frame for the mattress.

I'll assume there was another bedroom for Junior.

I remember that in the tour of the house given by TN to one of the NG staff, TN pointed out a room with a closed door and stated that this was Jr.'s room. The door was never opened. We were shown Hayleigh's room, but not Jr.'s. I'll bet Jr. didn't have a bed in his room and always slept with R and M. I'll bet Haleigh always slept with R and M also. They all just kind of crashed on the big bed, the children probably sleeping in their clothes. So sad.

 

[balaney]

I remember that in the tour of the house given by TN to one of the NG staff, TN pointed out a room with a closed door and stated that this was Jr.'s room. The door was never opened. We were shown Hayleigh's room, but not Jr.'s. I'll bet Jr. didn't have a bed in his room and always slept with R and M. I'll bet Haleigh always slept with R and M also. They all just kind of crashed on the big bed, the children probably sleeping in their clothes. So sad.

I agree - Jr probably did not have a bed.
I believe the children watched movies until they fell asleep and slept wherever they were when they crashed - on the couch, the floor, wherever.

 

[dodie20]

The kids probably slept on the couch regularly and woke up and went in the parents room. But who knows? The bed frame propped up was out of place, even if they moved the matress why prop the frame up, seems like a hazard. If DCF required the kids have seperate rooms which they did and should have, shouldn't those rooms be equipped with working beds? Isn't that what they required and why they had to move in the first place? And yeah I agree why not show Jrs room?

Yeah, Ron was thumbing his nose @ DCF & getting away with it. Even after the sleeping arrangements were made public, & that matress was shown on the floor, Ron got to keep custody of Jr. Why have rules if they aren't gonna be inforced?

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I agree - Jr probably did not have a bed.
I believe the children watched movies until they fell asleep and slept wherever they were when they crashed - on the couch, the floor, wherever.

I think you are exactly right, sleeping arrangements, meals, child care all come in second in a pill heads house.

 

[TxLady2]

I've always wondered if that mattress on the floor was put there after the fact, for some unknown reason, like both of them in the same room as Misty simply because Ron wasn't there at bedtime, and she wanted them close to her. So wasn't it a little crowded once he got home?
My youngest slept in a crib in our room until he was about a year and a half... until he learned to stand up and flip the light switch at 3:00 in the morning, which he then found hilarious!

 

[Kimster]

I think this thread branched out from the article almost right from the start and evolved into a thread about any suspicious activity by RC. Is that not OK?

Yes. Please make sure it is all about either the article or his suspicious behavior and all will be groovy.

 

[Kimster]

The sleeping arrangements have me baffled. :waitasec: Can someone tie that in for me in regards to this thread? Thanks so much!

 

[Concerned Papa]

The sleeping arrangements have me baffled. :waitasec: Can someone tie that in for me in regards to this thread? Thanks so much!

I didn't see what comment prompted your question, but I'll take a swing at this one Miz Kimster!

Suspicious behavior of Haleigh Cummings' father is the thread right?

As to the sleeping arrangements and their relevancy to this thread, on February 11th on the NG show RC said MC, Jr., and Haleigh were all sleeping in the same bed:

GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?

CUMMINGS: Yes.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/11/ng.01.html

Two days later he's changed the story in an interview with GVS:

CUMMINGS: I know where the beds were at. They are about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492185,00.html

Seems like suspicious behavior to me.