Sweden - Gay Marriage Now Legal In.....

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Nova;5426579 BTW said:
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to send the English language police after you.

Hoppy
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At the beginning of this month Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle vetoed a bill for same sex civil unions.

Quite a bit of unrest here because it wasn't popular with the residents of the state. The majority were in favor for this bill.

I noticed this law suit today. The ACLU is a part of the suit as well.

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12892124

So where are the posters who complained so bitterly that "activist" judges were ignoring the will of the people?!
 
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Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional

A federal judge in California on Wednesday overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage, saying the voter-approved rule violated the constitutional rights of gays and lesbians.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/04/california.same.sex.ruling/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1


BREAKING: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional

Chief Judge Vaughn Walker has ruled Prop 8 is unconstitutional on both Equal Protection and Due Process grounds.

CONCLUSION

Proposition 8 fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license. Indeed, the evidence shows Proposition 8 does nothing more than enshrine in the California Constitution the notion that opposite-sex couples are superior to same-sex couples. Because California has no interest in discriminating against gay men and lesbians, and because Proposition 8 prevents California from fulfilling its constitutional obligation to provide marriages on an equal basis,the court concludes that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional.

http://prop8trialtracker.com/
 
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It's a brilliant decision (and not just because I agree with the ruling).

I happen to have an appellate lawyer visiting at the moment and she explained carefully how the judge wrote the ruling to make it as difficult as possible to overturn. Doesn't mean it won't happen, of course. Our Supreme Court demonstrated in Bush v. Gore (however you feel about the outcome) that many of them are quite brazen when comes to ignoring facts, the law and legal precedent in order to achieve the political result they want.

I'm not optimistic this ruling will stand. So let's just celebrate that for one day, a federal court said there is simply no rational reason to treat gay people as second-class citizens, and made it very clear that same-sex marriage isn't a "special right," but exactly the same right already afforded to heterosexuals. :woohoo:
 
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It's a brilliant decision (and not just because I agree with the ruling).

I happen to have an appellate lawyer visiting at the moment and she explained carefully how the judge wrote the ruling to make it as difficult as possible to overturn. Doesn't mean it won't happen, of course. Our Supreme Court demonstrated in Bush v. Gore (however you feel about the outcome) that many of them are quite brazen when comes to ignoring facts, the law and legal precedent in order to achieve the political result they want.

I'm not optimistic this ruling will stand. So let's just celebrate that for one day, a federal court said there is simply no rational reason to treat gay people as second-class citizens, and made it very clear that same-sex marriage isn't a "special right," but exactly the same right already afforded to heterosexuals. :woohoo:

I'm pretty confident this decision will be upheld by the supreme court. The funny thing is that all of those who pushed for prop 8 may ultimately be responsible for legalizing gay marriage country wide. :loser:
 
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I'm pretty confident this decision will be upheld by the supreme court. The funny thing is that all of those who pushed for prop 8 may ultimately be responsible for legalizing gay marriage country wide. :loser:

From your mouth to God's ears, Dan!

I still haven't recovered from the experience of gay communities all over California celebrating Obama's historic election, only to find out a few minutes later that Prop 8 had passed. But despair is easy, hope takes work. I need to work on my attitude, so thank you for your example.
 
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It's been a great week for equality!!!


Mexico Gay Marriage: Court Upholds Capital's Same-Sex Marriage Law

The Mexican Supreme Court ruled Thursday that a fledgling law allowing same-sex marriages in Mexico City is constitutional, rejecting an appeal by federal prosecutors who argued that it violated the charter's guarantees to protect the family.

The justices have not yet determined the scope of their 8-2 ruling, however, saying they still need to decide whether it will impact states outside of the capital.

The court must also still rule on the constitutionality of a provision of the Mexico City law that allows same-sex couples to adopt children. It is expected to address that issue next Monday.

More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/05/mexico-gay-marriage-court_n_672363.html
 
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So where are the posters who complained so bitterly that "activist" judges were ignoring the will of the people?!

I haven't seen any kind of activism on the behalf of the people who were bitter about this veto from the gov. of Hawaii.

I have tried to find a local channel that isn't geared toward "sunshine and lollipops" coverage of news on the island because everything is geared towards the tourism industry here.

I have only been in this state for 2 months now. Still trying to find my way around this island.

I don't understand why she veto'ed it myself. Hope the civil suit is won. When I left EP (El Paso, TX) at the beginning of June they had just passed into city law that the significant partners (including same gender relationships) of city workers could be covered under the city workers health plan and benefits.

As laid back and as liberal and forward thinking as most Hawaiians "seem" to be (again, I've only been on island for 2 months) I was fairly stunned that it was veto'ed. JMHO.
 
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Thanks for posting that, Dan. I know it well and it is indeed hysterical.

For those who care, I believe the composer is the same man who wrote Hairspray.
 
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All Mexican states must recognize gay marriages

Mexico's Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that all 31 states must recognize same-sex marriages performed in the capital, though its decision does not force those states to begin marrying gay couples in their territory.

More: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5grJesfflOb0tjV_flyYRem81BVMwD9HGRI5G0

Oh, just like a real country that actually values the rule of law. DOMA is disgraceful. My husband and I are full citizens with equal rights in some parts of this country but not in others. That's not the country whose flag I used to salute.
 
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DOMA is indeed disgraceful. Holding a 'popular' vote on someone's elses rights is also disgraceful.
 
  • #215
Sorry no link yet, but

Gay Marriage Ban has been lifted in California. Marriages can begin on August 18th.

fran

PS, they still will MOST LIKELY appeal for an additional stay from the 9th Circuit.
 
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They can't figure out how to report on this. First they say he lifted it, then you read this and it says, well, yeah, it's lifted but on hold. :confused:

I honestly can't see the 9 Circuit ruling to continue the hold. This really is ridiculous. They're only delaying what will eventually be law.

Anyway, it's on hold until the 18th and if not appealed by then, it's a 'go!'

JMHO
fran



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/12/federal-judge-allow-gay-marriages-resume-week-california/

Federal Judge to Allow Gay Marriages to Resume Next Week in Calif. Unless Appeals Court Acts

A federal judge put gay marriages on hold for at least another six days in California, disappointing dozens of gay couples who lined up outside City Hall hoping to tie the knot Thursday.

Judge Vaughn Walker gave opponents of same-sex weddings until Aug. 18 at 5 p.m. to get a ruling from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on whether gay marriage should resume. Gay marriages could happen at that point or be put off indefinitely depending on how the court rules.

<<<<<<<<<<<<full article at link>>>>>>>>>>>>>
 
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DOMA is indeed disgraceful. Holding a 'popular' vote on someone's elses rights is also disgraceful.

Link

I get emails from the Human Rights Campaign and this was sent to me on the 11th.

At a rally on the radical right-wing National Organization for Marriage's summer tour, the Courage Campaign's "NOM Tour Tracker" caught one attendee holding this sign:


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The Solution to Gay Marriage

Yes, those are two nooses. It's sickening – but we're seeing even more of this type of hatred now, as right-wing groups use last week's Prop. 8 victory to further their cause.

And it's not just signs at rallies: the radical right is now using the court ruling to justify a national ban on same-sex couples marrying – even in states where they already can! It's a cynical ploy to turn out voters in support of rabidly anti-equality candidates, like the one in Minnesota with ties to a group that condoned executing gay people.

We're carrying out an aggressive plan to defeat them on the ground and on the airwaves –



:sick:
 
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They can't figure out how to report on this. First they say he lifted it, then you read this and it says, well, yeah, it's lifted but on hold. :confused:

I honestly can't see the 9 Circuit ruling to continue the hold. This really is ridiculous. They're only delaying what will eventually be law.

Anyway, it's on hold until the 18th and if not appealed by then, it's a 'go!'

JMHO
fran



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/12/federal-judge-allow-gay-marriages-resume-week-california/

Federal Judge to Allow Gay Marriages to Resume Next Week in Calif. Unless Appeals Court Acts

A federal judge put gay marriages on hold for at least another six days in California, disappointing dozens of gay couples who lined up outside City Hall hoping to tie the knot Thursday.

Judge Vaughn Walker gave opponents of same-sex weddings until Aug. 18 at 5 p.m. to get a ruling from the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on whether gay marriage should resume. Gay marriages could happen at that point or be put off indefinitely depending on how the court rules.

<<<<<<<<<<<<full article at link>>>>>>>>>>>>>

He may be taking his time so that when he issues the order there won't be some obscure loophole that wil nullify marriages made before the ruling by the SOTUS. JMO
 
  • #219
When the two nooses sign came up I decided to look up some bible versus. That Leviticus quote is old testament. This is my opinion only, but I don't understand why people don't realize that in Christianity the words of Christ are really all that matter. There are things in the old testament that Christ comes out and contradicts.

Such as;

An Eye for an Eye Matthew 5:38

38“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’g 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

I've often heard an eye for an eye quoted by Christians who don't realize they are contradicting Jesus' teachings. JMO

I found this site that's anti-gay marriage. It has passages up to reinforce their views;

This all comes from the "What Jesus Taught" section.

"And He answered and said to them, 'Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,'"
—Matthew 19:4 (NKJV)


That's a nice little snippet of Matthew 19 that's used to support their argument. Here's more of the passage for context and we find out it's actually about divorce.

Divorce

1When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"

4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"

8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

10The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

11Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[c]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."



How many anti-gay marriage people have ever been divorced? :waitasec: It'd be interesting to know.

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Continued from the same site of anti-gay bible versus.

"But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'"
—Mark 10:6 (NKJV)

Now let's see what the full passage says;

Mark 10 Divorce

1Jesus then left that place and went into the region of Judea and across the Jordan. Again crowds of people came to him, and as was his custom, he taught them.

2Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?"

3"What did Moses command you?" he replied.

4They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away."

5"It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied. 6"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.'[a] 7'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, 8and the two will become one flesh.'[c] So they are no longer two, but one. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

10When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11He answered, "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."


And once again we see Jesus is discussing divorce.

He cites Romans 1:26. Here's the passage.

"For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due."
—Romans 1:26-27 (NKJV)

Here's the surrounding context.

God's Wrath Against Mankind

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.


Romans one is about the teachings of Paul while on his journey. This is a new testament passage but it comes from Paul, who admittedly is speaking for Jesus.

The first bolded part is about lying. Anybody who lies or has lied has broken this edict.

The red part is pretty much an anti-gay passage that does come from the new testament. It's taught by one of Jesus' apostles so must have some validity.

Here's a passage from the website above against gay marriage.

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."
—1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)

Here's the surrounding context;

Lawsuits Among Believers

1If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints? 2Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life! 4Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church![a] 5I say this to shame you. Is it possible that there is nobody among you wise enough to judge a dispute between believers? 6But instead, one brother goes to law against another—and this in front of unbelievers!

7The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? 8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers.

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


Sexual Immorality

12"Everything is permissible for me"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"—but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 17But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

18Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.


Corinthians 1 -6 is interesting and very open to interpretation. Everything is ok but if you do some stuff you'll be damned to hell. Well, that's a personal choice. Should we intrude ourselves into everybody's lives to ensure they are Christians going to heaven? If so Adultery laws need to be more greatly enforced and have stiffer penalties and divorce itself should be illegalized.

Those are not notions that I believe could pass a popular vote if they were added to the DOM legislation. JMO
 

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