Switzerland - 40 dead and 116 injured in fire in bar in Crans-Montana, Swiss ski resort, 1 January 2026

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"Crans-Montana fire:

criticism grows over missing autopsies.


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Criticism has been mounting over why autopsies were not conducted immediately for some victims of the deadly fire in the Le Constellation bar in Crans-Montana.

A lawyer who represents several victims’ families believes
autopsies are essential as relatives would like to know how exactly their loved ones died:
'I said this myself to the Office of the Attorney General of canton Valais on the phone at the beginning of the proceedings.
The exact cause of death must be determined.
Did someone suffocate in the crush?
Or was the person simply burned?'

Whether a person died from fire, smoke, or falling debris,
all of this can only be determined through forensic medical examinations.

The lack of an autopsy can later influence the criminal proceedings.
But it’s also important for the relatives.

'They simply want to know what happened'.”

:(

 
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  • #602
If the owners had simply put a loud, audible alarm on the emergency exit doors, they wouldn’t have needed to keep them locked/chained. Such a simple fix.
 
  • #603

"Crans-Montana fire:

criticism grows over missing autopsies.


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Criticism has been mounting over why autopsies were not conducted immediately for some victims of the deadly fire in the Le Constellation bar in Crans-Montana.

A lawyer who represents several victims’ families believes
autopsies are essential as relatives would like to know how exactly their loved ones died:
'I said this myself to the Office of the Attorney General of canton Valais on the phone at the beginning of the proceedings.
The exact cause of death must be determined.
Did someone suffocate in the crush?
Or was the person simply burned?'

Whether a person died from fire, smoke, or falling debris,
all of this can only be determined through forensic medical examinations.

The lack of an autopsy can later influence the criminal proceedings.
But it’s also important for the relatives.

'They simply want to know what happened'.”

:(


Also, toxicology for the Swiss investigators.

As in were people overserved and very drunk, too.
 
  • #604
I've seen that sometimes people stuck them in cakes, but why would you? Who wants to eat icing that tastes like metal and gunpowder?

I have used the stick kind (shaped into a number) of sparkler on a cake in a park before. It's really fun for a child's birthday party and actually did not get onto the cake in a noticable way. But now I will think twice before buying using one in food again.

Very different from the large ones used indoors in this tragic case, though.


It is very sad how she was allegedly treated while working there. I wonder what else may come out from her colleagues.
 
  • #605
I have used the stick kind (shaped into a number) of sparkler on a cake in a park before. It's really fun for a child's birthday party and actually did not get onto the cake in a noticable way. But now I will think twice before buying using one in food again.

Very different from the large ones used indoors in this tragic case, though.



It is very sad how she was allegedly treated while working there. I wonder what else may come out from her colleagues.

It looks like sparklers sold in the US on numerous wedding sites regularly come in 3 sizes:

10" Burn time 40 seconds
20" Burn time 2 minutes
36" Burn time 3.5 minutes

These are all made with wire and promoted as "smoke free".

A long sparkler with a long burn time would have no trouble lighting a lot of things on fire.
 
  • #606
More about fires associated with highly flammable materials.

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This is about a cruise ship fire in 2006 that changed how cruise ship balconies are built, across the industry, and why smoking on balconies is strictly prohibited. The cause of this fire was never specifically traced, but the accepted explanation is that a passenger on a balcony higher than Deck 10 flicked a still burning cigarette off their balcony in windy conditions and it landed on a balcony on Deck 10 below, which had some flammable material like towels, or a book on it. The winds were brisk that night and it presumes the cigarette smoldered for a bit whipped by wind, and when the flames erupted, it was enough to set the plastic side panels, decking, balcony floor and chairs all on fire. It was fortunately noticed about 3 am when someone saw an orange glow on their balcony and pulled a Fire Alarm.

The external surface of the vessel in this area showed extensive damage to multiple balconies. However, the worst experience for the adjacent passengers was the very toxic smoke that barreled into the hallways on the upper floors, despite the Captain slowing down the ship and turning off the ventilation system to stop wind flow.

One person died in this fire, from complications of smoke inhalation. No person reported burns and the fire was extinguished within an hour by the well-organized crew.

A total of 297 cabins were damaged: heat damage to the ship side, melted balcony structures, glass balcony doors that shattered in the heat, and dense smoke damage in the affected cabins and hallways.

After this, the cruise line removed ALL flammable materials from their balcony designs, and installed sprinklers on the balconies. Almost every other cruise line followed suit because of what they all learned about this accident.

The point is that burning items can enflame flammable items and if they are largely plastic, can cause extremely damaging heat and smoke, just like we saw at Le Constellation.

 
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Yaël Hayat, one of three lawyers for the owners, "reports her client Jessica had left the burning building with cash from the register were a lie, telling BFMTV: "In no way did she leave the scene in a hurry; she stayed there to help and support the injured..."

Patrick Michod, representing Jacques Moretti, said... his client obtained the material from a "major construction retailer" which did not disclose that it was flammable.
"He did not want to install a highly flammable foam. He wanted to install acoustic foam..."

Source:
 
  • #610
People don't have to be reckless for a fire to start in a house. This foam burns extremely quickly and produces unusually toxic smoke. So why would it be acceptable to sell for use in private homes?

I believe it should not be for sale for use as a building material anywhere.

Agree.
 
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People don't have to be reckless for a fire to start in a house. This foam burns extremely quickly and produces unusually toxic smoke. So why would it be acceptable to sell for use in private homes?

I believe it should not be for sale for use as a building material anywhere.
I thought there had been some more info about the ceiling foam but I can't find it now. I don't know where the bought it, but it should not be for a ceiling in a public bar. I associate this stuff with a recording studio or as padding for sensitive equipment. Did they just buy a bunch of it and stick on the ceiling?
But also, the city was supposed to be inspecting and admitted they had not.
 
  • #614
I thought there had been some more info about the ceiling foam but I can't find it now. I don't know where the bought it, but it should not be for a ceiling in a public bar. I associate this stuff with a recording studio or as padding for sensitive equipment. Did they just buy a bunch of it and stick on the ceiling?
But also, the city was supposed to be inspecting and admitted they had not.
i remember reading on SRF that he bought it at hornbach, that’s a big hardware store! they sell all kinds of things you need when you’re renovating your home.
 
  • #615
He's not a professional contractor. He did a DIY to save money, and don't forget they also allegedly DIY'd the staircase to make it narrower. So, I think he is responsible.

Was their DIY work to code? Would an inspection have required significant changes? Who knows. It would be interesting to know.
 
  • #616
It is interesting that the owners are untouched by deadly fire
only customers are dead, horribly burnt.
On ships the captain leaves the last.
Taking care of all staff and passengers
helping to the end.

JMO
 
  • #617
It is interesting that the owners are untouched by deadly fire
only customers are dead, horribly burnt.
On ships the captain leaves the last.
Taking care of all staff and passengers
helping to the end.

JMO
Keep in mind that the Captain of the Costa Concordia was one of the first off of the ship.
 
  • #618
Keep in mind that the Captain of the Costa Concordia was one of the first off of the ship.

He is in prison.
He is the exception to the rule.

JMO
 
  • #619
Thanks for linking this, @Dotta !

Also wanted to add that the article and other Daily Mail articles mentioned that the owner made the waitress wear that helmet (promotional stunt ?) and it would have impeded the waitress' vision as to how high she was holding the sparklers.

Not that sparklers should have ever been used in that venue in the first place, especially a basement with the only exits blocked.
Smh.


The waitress blamed for starting the New Year's fire at a Swiss ski resort bar was
made to wear a promotional crash helmet, which prevented her from seeing sparklers, a witness has claimed.


Cyane Panine, 24, was filmed wearing the crash helmet from Dom Perignon, the Champagne brand, as she was lifted onto the shoulders of Mateo Lesguer, 23, the in-house DJ.

This was 'at the request' of the bar manager, Jessica Moretti, 40, the witness states
in an official report compiled by the Swiss authorities.

The Dom Perignon 'motorcycle crash helmet' covered Cyane's face completely with a black visor, meaning she could hardly see anything as she carried champagne bottles plugged with sparklers.
Rbm.
Pbm.

Re. the red bolded : "Made to wear" and "At the Request" are two entirely different statements.

Re. the purple bolded : Hmmm... Was the owner's lawyer influencing the Swiss authorities ?
Imo.
 
  • #620
Gross, to imply an employee should have or could have gone against her boss's request.
(Aimed at the lawyers/owners, not anyone here.)
 

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