Take the poll: Is Karen Read Guilty

[susane7]

Guilty

 

[mzmarymac]

Guilty

Respectfully, how do you square this with the fact that the science says it didn't happen. No broken bones, his body would have looked like a pretzel. Add to that all the shenanigans of destroying phones, late night butt dials, drunken 1:30 am visits to the police station, reversed video of sallyport, unrelated police officer testifying the taillight was only cracked a little on the side, videos showing the light working on the tail light at 5 am? Help me understand. Please.

 

[patrod6622]

Then what happened to the guy? Elaborate cover up scheme involving tens of local people?

I believe she is guilty for a couple of main reasons one being that in order for a cover up to happen Proctor would have to have way too much control over everyone involved i dont believe he has that kind of power and two if he was "beat up" then why is their only wounds on his right side anyone that has been or has seen a "fight" knows that that is impossible no defense wounds not signs of a fight did he just stand there and let himself get "beat up"? by the "dog" the conspiracy theory just doesnt make sense

 

[10ofRods]

I don’t think second degree and manslaughter should be together in the same vote. I think she is guilty of manslaughter not second degree murder.

Isn't that how it was presented to the jury in the last trial? And aren't those the actual charges for which she is being tried again? Like the jurors, I guess we need to decide.

I don't feel qualified as a juror in this one, though.

 

[susane7]

DBM

 

[susane7]

Respectfully, how do you square this with the fact that the science says it didn't happen. No broken bones, his body would have looked like a pretzel. Add to that all the shenanigans of destroying phones, late night butt dials, drunken 1:30 am visits to the police station, reversed video of sallyport, unrelated police officer testifying the taillight was only cracked a little on the side, videos showing the light working on the tail light at 5 am? Help me understand. Please.

Sorry and respectfully but I have no patience do discuss this case but I will answer just to your post. It's the most toxic case I ever saw in my life. It's my opinion about the totality of evidence. I wouldn't and I don't want to change your mind and your won't change mine. I don't care about butt dials from drunk people. Sometimes I make butt dials and I have never murdered anyone and most of what you said is barely a thing in this second trial, Barros changed his testimony on cross, the videos show the same damage in her tailight IMO, etc.

What I see is the totality of the evidence: Karen put her car in reverse and he stopped moved at the same time and her tailight broke. She didn't broke the tailight in John's car, the defense didn't even tried to explain how she broke her tailight. They are pieces of tailight embebedd in his clothing. There's was no time to planted that. Same with his shoe. Then her admissions, her thinking he was hit by a vehicle (a snow plow), her changing stories, her in the morning knowing exactly where he was, etc. There are no other explanation IMO.

 

[callmehenry]

Sorry and respectfully but I have no patience do discuss this case but I will answer just to your post. It's the most toxic case I ever saw in my life. It's my opinion about the totality of evidence. I wouldn't and I don't want to change your mind and your won't change mine. I don't care about butt dials from drunk people. Sometimes I make butt dials and I have never murdered anyone and most of what you said is barely a thing in this second trial, Barros changed his testimony on cross, the videos show the same damage in her tailight IMO, etc.

What I see is the totality of the evidence: Karen put her car in reverse and he stopped moved at the same time and her tailight broke. She didn't broke the tailight in John's car, the defense didn't even tried to explain how she broke her tailight. They are pieces of tailight embebedd in his clothing. There's was no time to planted that. Same with his shoe. Then her admissions, her thinking he was hit by a vehicle (a snow plow), her changing stories, her in the morning knowing exactly where he was, etc. There are no other explanation IMO.

Just chiming in with my thoughts: you say you have no patience to discuss the case but that’s what websleuths is all about - discussing the cases and sharing our thoughts and opinions. Sometimes it takes a village of like-minded folks to gather enough tiny crumbs to form the bigger picture and when we all bounce our ideas off of each other then sometimes the picture is much easier to see. Oh, and for what it’s worth, I totally think Karen is innocent and there was some shady stuff going on in that house that evening that caused John to end up on the front lawn

 

[susane7]

Just chiming in with my thoughts: you say you have no patience to discuss the case but that’s what websleuths is all about - discussing the cases and sharing our thoughts and opinions. Sometimes it takes a village of like-minded folks to gather enough tiny crumbs to form the bigger picture and when we all bounce our ideas off of each other then sometimes the picture is much easier to see.

I know and I discussed recently here just another toxic case and full of conspiracies from the defense (Delphi) IMO but for this case in particular I have no patience . It's even more toxic. I don't discuss this in the daily threads. I think the case is boring because it's very simple for me. I posted guilty in a poll thread and I don't expected to be questioned about my opinion because some of others guilty posts weren't so I was hopeful lol but nothing against mzmaryma question.