"Tape Recorder Man"

[SharetheLight]

I agree that perhaps we should all just agree to disagree on whether or not TRM had anything to do with these girls going missing. Or how many TRM's there were. We are here to try to figure this case out, because we care, and want to bring these girls home. We have limited information, and it's good to look at all possibilities.

I will throw out a possible explanation as to why PGTRM would say he'd NEVER been to Wheaton Plaza. Most likely he said this because Wheaton Plaza is in Montgomery County and he was talking to Montgomery County LE. He doesn't want any shadow cast over him in Montgomery County where two girls happen to go missing. If he admitted to trolling on 3/24 and had an airtight alibi on 3/25 whats not to say he wasn't working with someone else?? He doesn't want to be associated with this scene in any way shape or form. If he fesses up to part of the deed and denies the rest, he'll look believable, right? They won't look any further into his deeds and he is safe.
Why should he come forward at all? Most likely because a sketch was out that probably resembled him. I don't know, I didn't interview him, didn't see him. Just throwing out a possibility. All we have are possibilities.
I am leary of any sentence that contains the words always or never especially when someone is being questioned about a wrong doing. Whenever an extreme is thrown in I see a waving red flag.

 

[Richard]

I agree that perhaps we should all just agree to disagree on whether or not TRM had anything to do with these girls going missing. Or how many TRM's there were....Why should he come forward at all? Most likely because a sketch was out that probably resembled him. I don't know, I didn't interview him, didn't see him. Just throwing out a possibility. All we have are possibilities..... Whenever an extreme is thrown in I see a waving red flag.

You make some good points. The TRM is and will always be part of the case story in that two witnesses stated that they saw him talking to the two Lyon sisters on 25 March 1975, and that within an hour or two, they disappeared from the face of the earth. The two witnesses were questioned separately and the second boy basically confirmed "Jimmy's" statements.

Now, one boy might have seen a TRM the day before and been mistaken about the date, but would both boys be so mistaken? And it is known that neither Sheila or Kate Lyon were at the Plaza on 24 April. By their mother's statement, they were home all day, except for that night after supper when they played cards at their girl friends house. "Jimmy" knew the Lyon girls and his friend probably did as well. They could not have seen the girls on the 24th talking to the TRM and mistaken the date. It has not been established that either "Jimmy" or his friend were even at the Plaza on the 24th, and it has never been established that they were unreliable witnesses.

If I were the case officer, the first thing on my list of things to do in this case would be to review in depth the boys' statements taken on 28 March 1975 and next to locate both "Jimmy" and his friend and question them in again.

I see some basic flaws in the theories involving (or NOT involving) the second TRM - or a TRM who lies about ever being at Wheaton Plaza (or about ever doing his tape recorder thing in Montgomery county) but should be believed whole heartedly when he says that he wasn't there at the most significant time. It is like the guy who claims that his dog was well behaved, well trained and would never bite anyone and that the day the mailman got bit, he didn't even own a dog. As with any witness statement, you have to consider the believability of the witness. If he lies at one point, he might be lying on others as well. Your point about a red flag waving when he says that he was "Never" at Wheaton Plaza and when he "Never" did his TRM act in Montgomery County is well taken.

It is difficult to believe that the girls happened to meet a pervert with a tape recorder who had nothing to do with their abduction, and then within an hour meet another completely different pervert who does abduct them. It is also difficult to comprehend how there could be two separate Tape Recorder Men. And it is hard to accept that the two boys were complete liars while the so called PG TRM should be believed in anything he says.

Nobody heard about a TRM until "Jimmy" and his parents came forward (fearfully) with the information. It was then verified by the other boy. (It would be interesting to know what they are doing today and what they could say about their statements and memories of 1975.)

Next, about 15 people came forward to state that they had seen this TRM or somebody who resembled him in looks and deeds at:

White Oak Mall in Mid February 1975

Wheaton Plaza on 29 Feb 1975, 1 March 1975, 24 March 1975, and 25 March 1975

Iverson Mall (PG county) on 22 March 1975

Marlow Heights Shopping Center (PG) on 22 March 1975

Bowie Shopping Center (PG) some time in March 1975

It is certainly possible that there were two TRM's and/or that one guy did all and came forward to confess to only being the "PG TRM". But again, what is the probability of that? The police never came forward to the press with the story, however. It was only when I spoke with them face to face a few years ago that they mentioned this PG TRM confessor.

I do not know how far they pursued it. I do not think that they ever went to all of the witnesses who reported seeing a TRM to show him the man's photo or listen to his voice or anything else. They obviously could not prove anything as far as his being at Wheaton Plaza on 25 March 1975. His appearance only served to muddy the waters and cause doubt in the minds of the investigators. There are so many questions about him. Who was he? Was he a "Known" pervert before or after he came forward? What record did/does he have? We know none of this, and we should have been told all by police back in 1975.

What we are left with - whether the TRM existed or not - whether there was one or two, or a whole bus load of them - The Lyon girls went missing that day and they have never been found.

 

[Motherof5]

You make some good points. The TRM is and will always be part of the case story in that two witnesses stated that they saw him talking to the two Lyon sisters on 25 March 1975, and that within an hour or two, they disappeared from the face of the earth. The two witnesses were questioned separately and the second boy basically confirmed "Jimmy's" statements.

Now, one boy might have seen a TRM the day before and been mistaken about the date, but would both boys be so mistaken? And it is known that neither Sheila or Kate Lyon were at the Plaza on 24 April. By their mother's statement, they were home all day, except for that night after supper when they played cards at their girl friends house. "Jimmy" knew the Lyon girls and his friend probably did as well. They could not have seen the girls on the 24th talking to the TRM and mistaken the date. It has not been established that either "Jimmy" or his friend were even at the Plaza on the 24th, and it has never been established that they were unreliable witnesses.

If I were the case officer, the first thing on my list of things to do in this case would be to review in depth the boys' statements taken on 28 March 1975 and next to locate both "Jimmy" and his friend and question them in again.

I see some basic flaws in the theories involving (or NOT involving) the second TRM - or a TRM who lies about ever being at Wheaton Plaza (or about ever doing his tape recorder thing in Montgomery county) but should be believed whole heartedly when he says that he wasn't there at the most significant time. It is like the guy who claims that his dog was well behaved, well trained and would never bite anyone and that the day the mailman got bit, he didn't even own a dog. As with any witness statement, you have to consider the believability of the witness. If he lies at one point, he might be lying on others as well. Your point about a red flag waving when he says that he was "Never" at Wheaton Plaza and when he "Never" did his TRM act in Montgomery County is well taken.

It is difficult to believe that the girls happened to meet a pervert with a tape recorder who had nothing to do with their abduction, and then within an hour meet another completely different pervert who does abduct them. It is also difficult to comprehend how there could be two separate Tape Recorder Men. And it is hard to accept that the two boys were complete liars while the so called PG TRM should be believed in anything he says.

Nobody heard about a TRM until "Jimmy" and his parents came forward (fearfully) with the information. It was then verified by the other boy. (It would be interesting to know what they are doing today and what they could say about their statements and memories of 1975.)

Next, about 15 people came forward to state that they had seen this TRM or somebody who resembled him in looks and deeds at:

White Oak Mall in Mid February 1975

Wheaton Plaza on 29 Feb 1975, 1 March 1975, 24 March 1975, and 25 March 1975

Iverson Mall (PG county) on 22 March 1975

Marlow Heights Shopping Center (PG) on 22 March 1975

Bowie Shopping Center (PG) some time in March 1975

It is certainly possible that there were two TRM's and/or that one guy did all and came forward to confess to only being the "PG TRM". But again, what is the probability of that? The police never came forward to the press with the story, however. It was only when I spoke with them face to face a few years ago that they mentioned this PG TRM confessor.

I do not know how far they pursued it. I do not think that they ever went to all of the witnesses who reported seeing a TRM to show him the man's photo or listen to his voice or anything else. They obviously could not prove anything as far as his being at Wheaton Plaza on 25 March 1975. His appearance only served to muddy the waters and cause doubt in the minds of the investigators. There are so many questions about him. Who was he? Was he a "Known" pervert before or after he came forward? What record did/does he have? We know none of this, and we should have been told all by police back in 1975.

What we are left with - whether the TRM existed or not - whether there was one or two, or a whole bus load of them - The Lyon girls went missing that day and they have never been found.

Ok, I just want to clear up a couple of things.I don't think Jimmy and his friend saw the girls talking to TRM on 3/24/75 and was just mistaken about the date.I think he saw only the PGTRM on 3/24/75 or before and then saw the girls at the mall on 3/25/75.I think he made up the TRM talking to the girls story or he would have told his parents that he saw this right away,but he didn't.He waited 3 days.Don't you think maybe TRM went away because he(PGTRM) came forward to LE about his activities and after that there is no way he could go out and do what he had been doing? My theory is simple,there is only one TRM and that is the PGTRM.Jimmy was seeking attention and he got it.The girls were taken by someone else.Now that I've given you my theory and I definately know yours,can we just move on? We are not going to agree nor will we be helping this case if we keep going back and forth about TRM.Can we just respect each other's different views and move forward?

 

[SharetheLight]

I question the validity of "jimmy" and friend's statement because I've questioned everyone's statement. I can't take "jimmy" and friend's statement as an absolute because I haven't taken anyone's statement as an absolute.

IF I take "jimmy's" statement as fact and I take the two witness who saw the girls on Drumm Ave around 2:30 as fact then I am left with the scenerio that the girls ran into two perverts that day within 2 hours of each other-not likely.
Or that the girls encountered some TRM at the mall and this TRM waited for them to exit, knew which direction they would head, and which streets they would walk, and then drove there in time to intercept them-also unlikely.

Really the only thing I am certain of is the girls left for the mall, arrived at the mall, and never returned home.
That is it.

I don't consider "jimmy" to be more belivable than the witnesses from Drumm Ave., nor do I consider the Drumm Ave. witnesses more believable than "jimmy". Why would either witness intentionally misrepresent facts? Unfortunately eyewitness testimony is the least reliable testimony. When all of these witnesses saw the Lyon sisters on 3/25 it was just a regular day. There was nothing spectacular going on, no reason to remember certain facts. The human mind is just that, human and fallible.

I'd tend to believe whatever witness came forward first, on 3/25, or 3/26. They would have the most clear recollection of what happened. After that, testimony could only get muddied up. I can only imagine the conversations that went on after the girls were discovered missing, all the calls that were made, when was the last time anyone saw them, what did people remember about them. What did people remember about the Plaza. What did people remember about the route home. Anyone who knew these girls probably were racking their brains trying to remember something, anything. While possibly confusing facts after hearing others recollections; unintentionally of course.
Like the kid who gave a statement that he saw them at 7:30 pm, I tend to discount this because if I take the parents statements to be true, by that time the parents were out retracing the route to the mall looking for the girls. Do I think he intentionally mislead LE? No, I think he just confused things in a desperate effort to try to help.

No one had any reason to mislead LE except someone who was up to no good, but mistakes can be made with recollections.
I too would love to pour over "jimmy" and friend's interview with LE. I'd also like to hear their recollections 34 yrs. later. I'd also love to go over all the witnesses statements who saw the girls that day between 11:30am and 3:30pm. I wish we had someone posting here that was at Wheaton Plaza on 3/25 during those hours, or even someone who was familiar with the girls in 1975. I wish there was more info available. There HAS to be more information and I'd like to see how it relates to what we already know, which as I stated before isn't much.

Until I can deem either the two separte sightings on Drumm as not credible, or "jimmy" and friend's statement as not credible I'll continue to consider theories that involve both. Together and apart from one another.

 

[SharetheLight]

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Nobody heard about a TRM until "Jimmy" and his parents came forward (fearfully) with the information. It was then verified by the other boy. (It would be interesting to know what they are doing today and what they could say about their statements and memories of 1975.)

Next, about 15 people came forward to state that they had seen this TRM or somebody who resembled him in looks and deeds at:

White Oak Mall in Mid February 1975

Wheaton Plaza on 29 Feb 1975, 1 March 1975, 24 March 1975, and 25 March 1975

Iverson Mall (PG county) on 22 March 1975

Marlow Heights Shopping Center (PG) on 22 March 1975

Bowie Shopping Center (PG) some time in March 1975

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I've snipped the above to highlight the section regarding my question.

What is the source for these other TRM sightings? Were they listed in an article? I remember an article stating 15 people came forward recognizing the sketch, once it was released. And the sketch was altered only slightly due to others recollections.
I am interested in the dates of the sightings. Can anyone point me to the source that lists these dates.

 

[joellegirl]

This doesn't help much, but buried somewhere in this forum there was a poster that was either at Wheaton Plaza that day or right around that day and claimed she/he had pictures of the Easter decorations etc.but that poster never came back, and I think there was a poster or two who remembered the girls at school and the bus stop, and I think there even a cousin posting here at one point. I am not sure of any of this, but I have been posting on this case for approx five years (I started the original thread when it was on the cold case forum), and these are posts I vaguely remember. Anyone else remember?

I think it is great that this case is getting so much attention here on Websleuths lately. There have been times when nothing was being posted, and it is good to see all these new ideas/thoughts floating around. Even though TRM seems the most likely perp, it has been 34 years and we still have no answers with that route. All these new angles are refreshing, and the answer may lie in these new ideas. Or they may not, but it is good to keep our brains going with this!

I'm still curious about the Easter Bunny. I wonder how Sheila wound up sitting on or near his lap/arm..was the person in the bunny suit a pervert and saw Sheila, asked her over, liked the sisters and made some sinister plans when the shift was over and had something to do with their disappearance? I think I read they interviewed the people behind the bunny suits but I still wonder. Who was it again who saw the girls by the bunny?

 

[SharetheLight]

yes, yes, I remember the poster who said they were at the plaza that day on a college assignment taking pictures. I wish they'd post again.
I have the same recollections as far as past posters. I wish they'd come back so we could ask some more questions.

The whole Easter bunny thing was weird to me and set off my alarms. The article said she (sheila) was sitting on his arm while he talked with other children. that is just weird. Why is she sitting on his arm?? And where was Kate. There is no mention of Kate and the Easter bunny.
Maybe the girls knew whoever was in the bunny suit and they were just saying hey, what's up. This, in my opinion, does not let the bunny off the hook but rather would warrant a closer look at the bunny.
jollegirl, thanks for giving this case a forum of its own, so all this can be discussed.

 

[Motherof5]

This doesn't help much, but buried somewhere in this forum there was a poster that was either at Wheaton Plaza that day or right around that day and claimed she/he had pictures of the Easter decorations etc.but that poster never came back, and I think there was a poster or two who remembered the girls at school and the bus stop, and I think there even a cousin posting here at one point. I am not sure of any of this, but I have been posting on this case for approx five years (I started the original thread when it was on the cold case forum), and these are posts I vaguely remember. Anyone else remember?

I think it is great that this case is getting so much attention here on Websleuths lately. There have been times when nothing was being posted, and it is good to see all these new ideas/thoughts floating around. Even though TRM seems the most likely perp, it has been 34 years and we still have no answers with that route. All these new angles are refreshing, and the answer may lie in these new ideas. Or they may not, but it is good to keep our brains going with this!

I'm still curious about the Easter Bunny. I wonder how Sheila wound up sitting on or near his lap/arm..was the person in the bunny suit a pervert and saw Sheila, asked her over, liked the sisters and made some sinister plans when the shift was over and had something to do with their disappearance? I think I read they interviewed the people behind the bunny suits but I still wonder. Who was it again who saw the girls by the bunny?

Nice to see you hear again!! Ok,I think the poster that took the pictures at the mall that day was DC Nationals Fan or something like that.There was someone here that said they were related to the Lyons and wanted to know how to contact them and Thrasher sent them a PM and I don't think they came back. I think it was a kid at the mall that saw Sheila on/near the easter bunny's arm.If I'm wrong, please somebody jump in here.

 

[joellegirl]

yes, yes, I remember the poster who said they were at the plaza that day on a college assignment taking pictures. I wish they'd post again.
I have the same recollections as far as past posters. I wish they'd come back so we could ask some more questions.

The whole Easter bunny thing was weird to me and set off my alarms. The article said she (sheila) was sitting on his arm while he talked with other children. that is just weird. Why is she sitting on his arm?? And where was Kate. There is no mention of Kate and the Easter bunny.
Maybe the girls knew whoever was in the bunny suit and they were just saying hey, what's up. This, in my opinion, does not let the bunny off the hook but rather would warrant a closer look at the bunny.
jollegirl, thanks for giving this case a forum of its own, so all this can be discussed.

Oh, I didn't start this separate forum, just the orginal thread on the case on the Cold Case Forum back in 2004...

This is one of a few cases that haunt me. I even have visited Wheaton Plaza (well, Westfield now) and drove past the house the Lyons lived in, and drove along the streets mentioned. We were visiting friends who live in Maryland in 2005. I didn't really get any new ideas from seeing the area in person, just that it had more trees than I imagined, and there were lots of houses, it was/is a very populated area.

Glad you remember those threads too! I also wish someone who saw them that day, better yet spoke with them.. would post here!

 

[SharetheLight]

Oh, I didn't start this separate forum, just the orginal thread on the case on the Cold Case Forum back in 2004...

This is one of a few cases that haunt me. I even have visited Wheaton Plaza (well, Westfield now) and drove past the house the Lyons lived in, and drove along the streets mentioned. We were visiting friends who live in Maryland in 2005. I didn't really get any new ideas from seeing the area in person, just that it had more trees than I imagined, and there were lots of houses, it was/is a very populated area.

Glad you remember those threads too! I also wish someone who saw them that day, better yet spoke with them.. would post here!

Oops, sorry, I stand corrected, thank you for bringing this case to WS and starting the thread.
The Wheaton/Kensington area is very populated and houses are very close to one another. And it's an older neighborhood so the trees are bigger.

 

[Motherof5]

I've snipped the above to highlight the section regarding my question.

What is the source for these other TRM sightings? Were they listed in an article? I remember an article stating 15 people came forward recognizing the sketch, once it was released. And the sketch was altered only slightly due to others recollections.
I am interested in the dates of the sightings. Can anyone point me to the source that lists these dates.

The Washington Post article mentions the 3/24/75 sighting at Wheaton Plaza,as far as the others go,you'd have to ask Richard about his sources.I assume they came from his conversation with LE,but he can answer that.

 

[Richard]

I've snipped the above to highlight the section regarding my question.

What is the source for these other TRM sightings? Were they listed in an article? I remember an article stating 15 people came forward recognizing the sketch, once it was released. And the sketch was altered only slightly due to others recollections.
I am interested in the dates of the sightings. Can anyone point me to the source that lists these dates.

I got the dates from several sources, and based the quoted post on my notes.

News articles in both the Washington Post and the Washington Star reported on the TRM subject beginning in the later editions of 31 March 1975. Their initial story was based on Montgomery County Police press briefings given that day. The centerpiece for these briefing was the composite sketch of the TRM. (Initially, a Lieutenant Caswell was the official press contact, but other police officers were widely quoted throughout the period.)

In the few days that followed; 1, 2, 3 April 1975 many phone calls came into police headquarters, and in subsequent MCP press briefings, information was provided to the news media about people who had called in to say that they thought they had seen the unknown TRM suspect at various other malls and shopping centers. Yet others thought they recognized the sketch as this person or that. All such leads were pursued, but no positive identification was made.

Early news paper reports stated that at least 15 witnesses had claimed to have seen an unknown TRM at various shopping centers in Montgomery and Prince Georges Counties, but that police would not name the shopping centers. Later, the names of the shopping centers were mentioned in other stories.

One report stated that three separate employees (no other identification) of Wheaton Plaza stated that they had seen a TRM on Monday, 24 March 1975. No further details were ever given.

Another report stated that on Saturday, 22 March 1975, a man resembling the TRM had approached seven young girls at Iverson Mall and Marlow Heights shopping center asking them to record a message for his answering machine. Some stories stated the mothers of some of these girls had called, and some stories were that some of these were sales girls working at the malls. One girl was interviewed by a Washington Post reporter. She was not identified by name, but it was stated that she was 16 years old.

Police did not reveal to the press the names of any TRM witnesses. It is likely that the sales girl was located by the reporter in some other way.

"Jimmy" and his parents agreed to be interviewed on Television and by the Washington Star newspaper on a one-time basis and with the understanding that his real name not be used. So the Star article of 3 April 1975 is about as close as we can get to an eyewitness statement without going directly into police files. All other newspapers which reported the story had to quote the Star as their source.

Police stated very specifically that ALL mall sightings which were called in after the sketch was released had occurred prior to "Jimmy's" sighting on 25 March 1975. However, based on all of the interviews they did, the sketch was changed very slightly and re-released. Both of those sketches can be seen on the Doenetwork.

Earlier sightings in Mid February and on 29 February were reported by JEB (on this website) who had reported them to police back in 1975 and at other times during the course of their investigation.

The sighting at Wheaton Plaza on 1 March 1975 was made by a witness who observed a strange man with a tape recorder approaching little girls in the open area outside stores for about a half an hour in late morning or early afternoon. He felt the behavior was odd, but did not go to police with the information.

Hope this is of some help. If there is a specific article that you need, I will try to locate it for you.

 

[Motherof5]

Quote by Richard,snipped by me.

Yet others thought they recognized the sketch as this person or that. All such leads were pursued, but no positive identification was made.


Do you mean that some people thought they recognized the sketch as someone that they knew?

 

[Richard]

Quote by Richard,snipped by me.

Yet others thought they recognized the sketch as this person or that. All such leads were pursued, but no positive identification was made.


Do you mean that some people thought they recognized the sketch as someone that they knew?

Yes, exactly. I do not have specifics on all such tips to police, but a number did come it to them saying that the sketch looks like someone they knew. I stress that these were different persons' opinions and none matched.

There was one incident where a woman thought he might be a man she had been dating but broke up with because she thought he had been showing inappropriate attention to her young daughter.

Newspapers at the time of the PG county TRM sighting reports stated that three men in Prince Georges county were being questioned.

Police checked out all such tips and developed no suspects.

 

[SharetheLight]

Yes, exactly. I do not have specifics on all such tips to police, but a number did come it to them saying that the sketch looks like someone they knew. I stress that these were different persons' opinions and *none matched*.
There was one incident where a woman thought he might be a man she had been dating but broke up with because she thought he had been showing inappropriate attention to her young daughter.

Newspapers at the time of the PG county TRM sighting reports stated that three men in Prince Georges county were being questioned.

Police checked out all such tips and developed no suspects.

bolded and starred by me for reference.

Looking for clarification.

When it states none matched, none matched according to whom?
Did LE question all the look a likes and they had an alibi? or Did someone make some sort of subjective determination based on looks alone?

If the latter if true, I find that troubling. Simply because the sketch itself is subjective based on "jimmy"'s memory of a person he looked at for maybe a minute AND he gave the description for the sketch days after he actually saw the guy. So based on looks alone, no one should be eliminated. IMO

 

[Richard]

...Looking for clarification.

When it states none matched, none matched according to whom?
Did LE question all the look a likes and they had an alibi? or Did someone make some sort of subjective determination based on looks alone?

If the latter if true, I find that troubling. Simply because the sketch itself is subjective based on "jimmy"'s memory of a person he looked at for maybe a minute AND he gave the description for the sketch days after he actually saw the guy. So based on looks alone, no one should be eliminated. IMO

You make an excellent point. The purpose of any sketch is to try to get people to call police with tips. Any and all tips are considered.

Generally, when you look at comparisons of suspect sketches with photos of persons later proven to have been the guilty, there is a wide range of similarity or difference. Some sketches look almost as if they were made from life, while others look nothing like the person.

No one can say for certain in the Lyon case, because no person has ever been identified positively as having been the TRM seen at Wheaton Plaza on 25 March 1975. But based on statements from persons who claim to have seen a TRM on other occasions, the consensus was that it was a pretty good sketch of the unknown man.

To clarify what I said in my previous post, several different people called in tips with what they thought might be possible identifications for the unknown TRM in the sketch. Each person had a different thought or suspicion based on his or her own experiences and acquaintences.

When I said that none matched, I meant that Caller number 1 thought it might be one person, and caller number 2 thought sombody else, etc. No two individual callers identified the TRM sketch as being the same person.

Police DID check out each tip but did not develop/identify any suspects based on any of the calls.

 

[DD Byrd]

I've been thinking of ways TRM could get these two girls in his car. If they spoke to him and his recorder and then when about their business and saw him again some time later he would be a 'known' entity. Could he have told them he needed their parent's permission to use the tape and volunteered a ride home for that permission?

Also, is it possible to question 'Jimmy' now as an adult?

 

[SharetheLight]

I've been thinking of ways TRM could get these two girls in his car. If they spoke to him and his recorder and then when about their business and saw him again some time later he would be a 'known' entity. Could he have told them he needed their parent's permission to use the tape and volunteered a ride home for that permission?

Also, is it possible to question 'Jimmy' now as an adult?

Some good thoughts here. what do you think "jimmy" could tell us as an adult?
What would be the benefit of questioning him now?

 

[DD Byrd]

He could say, "I totally lied, I never saw them and just wanted to be 'famous', OR he could be adamant that he saw them at a certain time, OR he could say something completly unexpected.....like he did see them, they were all together with the Easter Bunny in the tunnels of the mall smoking cigarettes and he never said anything because he didn't want to get in trouble for smoking. Whatever he says, it could answer at least some timeline issues.

 

[SharetheLight]

He could say, "I totally lied, I never saw them and just wanted to be 'famous', OR he could be adamant that he saw them at a certain time, OR he could say something completly unexpected.....like he did see them, they were all together with the Easter Bunny in the tunnels of the mall smoking cigarettes and he never said anything because he didn't want to get in trouble for smoking. Whatever he says, it could answer at least some timeline issues.

Some good thoughts. As an adult he would be willing to reveal something he may have thought would get them/him in trouble as a child.