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[dottierainbow]

I do not think looking at the family was wrong. I believe having blinders on and stating there is. Also I think it's very unprofessional by speaking to people that have nothing to do with the case to create an atmosphere of THE Ramseys had to have done it when the grand jury didn't see it that way. I think this is a good read of Steve Thomas disposition.
http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/09212001Depo-SteveThomas.htm
Amy

 

[Paradox]

Several minutes into the CourtTV piece the camera pans across an aphgan with a heart, flower, pineapple pattern on it.

 

[Wudge]

Steve Thomas suspected the parents from the beginning because the evidence indicated them. FBI even told police as they left after JonBenet had been found dead instead of kidnapped, "Look at the parents." CASKU, after examining evidence, backed up the belief that the parents appeared to be the ones to focus on. Steve Thomas's PDI theory is a lot more plausible than the intruder theory Smit conjured up.

What information did Thomas leak, and to whom? My recollection is that he was upset about leaks seeming to come from the DA's office that were compromising the investigation.

This was Steve Thomas' first homicide case. His experience level certainly did not qualify him to manage the case. Moreover, as evidence by his losing a libel lawsuit that the Ramseys brought against him, Steve Thomas was not even smart enough to write a theory book and stay within the law (some detective).

A person who has zero experience and also lack rudimentary smarts isn't going to sought for their "expert" opinion.

I don't recall Steve Thomas leaving the BPD for much of a job either.

It is beyond me, why people who hold the Ramseys to be involved, think to reference Steve Thomas as a credible or reliable person whose rank amateur opinion should be valued.

I don't know what he is qualified to do in life, but he sure was not qualified to manage this case.

 

[narlacat]

<<I don't recall Steve Thomas leaving the BPD for much of a job either.>>

He probably just wanted a less stressful job.
The stress of the JBR case took it's toll on his health.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I hold Steve Thomas in high regard, in case that hasn't been clear already, and it isn't because I consider him to be some brilliant expert or seasoned policeman. It's because I believe he was one of the few if not perhaps the only person involved in that investigation that consistently sought for justice for JonBenet. You may disagree, but I consider him in some fashion to be her hero. He perservered for the truth and justice for her harder than her own parents did, and he wouldn't have been focused on them if the evidence didn't keep pointing right back to them. Patsy Ramsey herself even said that she believed that Steve Thomas meant to and was trying as hard as he could to serve justice to JonBenet - she just insisted he had the wrong person.

I think the theory he put forward corresponds with the evidence. I think the fact that his theory that RDI was backed up by CASKU shows he's on it. You don't have to be a veteran detective of forty years to see through that laughable diversion and inconsistent amnesia-laden stories the Ramseys put forth.

 

[txsvicki]

Whoever murdered JonBenet would have a fantastic sharp memory and know the family in order to remember snippets of movies, books, ways that Patsy speaks, bonus amount, etc. It all seems very premeditated and bizarre. I am going to check out the Prime of Miss Jean Brodie at the library because I have read so much about that book and this case and how they might connect. I can see how John might think that it was an inside job but it's even easier to see how the detectives thought that the family was involved even not very experienced with murders.

 

[Paradox]

I hold Steve Thomas in high regard, in case that hasn't been clear already, and it isn't because I consider him to be some brilliant expert or seasoned policeman. It's because I believe he was one of the few if not perhaps the only person involved in that investigation that consistently sought for justice for JonBenet. You may disagree, but I consider him in some fashion to be her hero. He perservered for the truth and justice for her harder than her own parents did, and he wouldn't have been focused on them if the evidence didn't keep pointing right back to them. Patsy Ramsey herself even said that she believed that Steve Thomas meant to and was trying as hard as he could to serve justice to JonBenet - she just insisted he had the wrong person.

I think the theory he put forward corresponds with the evidence. I think the fact that his theory that RDI was backed up by CASKU shows he's on it. You don't have to be a veteran detective of forty years to see through that laughable diversion and inconsistent amnesia-laden stories the Ramseys put forth.

Well said. And good spelling as well!

 

[Paradox]

Whoever murdered JonBenet would have a fantastic sharp memory and know the family in order to remember snippets of movies, books, ways that Patsy speaks, bonus amount, etc. It all seems very premeditated and bizarre. I am going to check out the Prime of Miss Jean Brodie at the library because I have read so much about that book and this case and how they might connect. I can see how John might think that it was an inside job but it's even easier to see how the detectives thought that the family was involved even not very experienced with murders.

Please keep me posted on your Prime investigations.

I think the crime was an inside job too: inside Patsy's head.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Well said. And good spelling as well!

Thank you! I'm ruthless about spelling. =)

 

[Brefie]

I hold Steve Thomas in high regard, in case that hasn't been clear already, and it isn't because I consider him to be some brilliant expert or seasoned policeman. It's because I believe he was one of the few if not perhaps the only person involved in that investigation that consistently sought for justice for JonBenet. You may disagree, but I consider him in some fashion to be her hero. He perservered for the truth and justice for her harder than her own parents did, and he wouldn't have been focused on them if the evidence didn't keep pointing right back to them. Patsy Ramsey herself even said that she believed that Steve Thomas meant to and was trying as hard as he could to serve justice to JonBenet - she just insisted he had the wrong person.

I think the theory he put forward corresponds with the evidence. I think the fact that his theory that RDI was backed up by CASKU shows he's on it. You don't have to be a veteran detective of forty years to see through that laughable diversion and inconsistent amnesia-laden stories the Ramseys put forth.

AMEN!

 

[Toltec]

NE pgs 335-6:

LS: Did she (JonBenet) ever go on her own to go down there and eat pineapple?

JR: I don't recall that she ever did. I don't know. I don't think so. Not that I remember, ever, at night. She was getting to the point where she was - she used to be not afraid of the dark or anything at all, and then she was growing up a little bit and getting afraid of the dark. If the intruder somehow - well, that just doesn't make sense.

I mean JonBenet was a smart, strong little girl. And if she had the opportunity to scream and to kick and fight, she would have done that. No question in my mind. So I don't buy that, you know, an intruder sat her down and fed her pineapple.

Wudge....there was absolutely no way Steve Thomas could have defended himself without telling all he knows about the case, so he chose to "not give away the store".

Does anyone recall the pineapple wallpaper Patsy used to decorate her Atlanta home after her daughter's murder??? She is unconciously confessing. Also when Pam Paugh was sent to the Ramsey home, one of Patsy's requests was that Pam bring the My Twinn Doll...the doll that JonBenet was not interested in?

 

[Wudge]

SNIP

Wudge....there was absolutely no way Steve Thomas could have defended himself without telling all he knows about the case, so he chose to "not give away the store".

SNIP

(snicker)

He tried to profit from JonBenet's death, and he was given the opportunity to defend his theory. However, he failed to do so and lost the libel suit that Ramsey's filed against him. That's how strong his alleged evidence was. Moreover, he looked like a fool debating the Ramseys on LKL.

If you are going to accuse people of commiting a heinous crime, you better have the evidence. He didn't have the evidence and wasn't smart enough to know better, some detective.

 

[Paradox]

You are probably unaware that he donated the profits from his book to charity.

He walked the walk.

Worms can't walk, can they?

 

[Nuisanceposter]

DA's office prevented Thomas from doing his job properly time after time, not issuing warrants, even giving him tasks they had to know were impossible (The 5 Year Plan). They should have been charged with obstruction of justice...there's no reason at all for a detective investigating a child's homicide to not be issued warrants for phone records and instead be told to go ask the Ramseys for them. Ask them! That's completely ludicrous.

I said this before, Wudge, and you didn't answer - name me one other child murder case in which the detectives were told to develop a report with the prime suspects and then politely request possibly incriminating records instead of being issued a warrant to obtain them. Use your superior skills of logic and reasoning to figure out why that's a completely unacceptable and ridiculous expectation. And that's just one thing.

And I drew opposite opinion from LKL featuring Steve Thomas vs J and P Ramsey. I thought Thomas made them look like frauds with something to hide who depend on distraction and misdirection.

 

[Paradox]

Does anyone recall the pineapple wallpaper Patsy used to decorate her Atlanta home after her daughter's murder???

Yes, I do.

She is unconciously confessing.

I think she is unconsciously claiming.

 

[Paradox]

Sorry, WAS.

 

[narlacat]

Yep, past tense Paradox.

I didn't know about the wallpaper, you have got to be joking.

Though I know you aren't....

 

[Paradox]

No joke. (Hard for me.)

Cold, so cold.

 

[narlacat]

As cold as ice.

 

[Wudge]

DA's office prevented Thomas from doing his job properly time after time, not issuing warrants, even giving him tasks they had to know were impossible (The 5 Year Plan). They should have been charged with obstruction of justice...there's no reason at all for a detective investigating a child's homicide to not be issued warrants for phone records and instead be told to go ask the Ramseys for them. Ask them! That's completely ludicrous.

I said this before, Wudge, and you didn't answer - name me one other child murder case in which the detectives were told to develop a report with the prime suspects and then politely request possibly incriminating records instead of being issued a warrant to obtain them. Use your superior skills of logic and reasoning to figure out why that's a completely unacceptable and ridiculous expectation. And that's just one thing.

And I drew opposite opinion from LKL featuring Steve Thomas vs J and P Ramsey. I thought Thomas made them look like frauds with something to hide who depend on distraction and misdirection.

lol...The BPD tried to withhold Jon Benet's body from being buried. Linda Arndt (another BPD detective with tea-leaf reading expertise) goes on national TV and says she looked into the eyes of John Ramsey and "knew" he did it. And Steve Thomas had a clear agenda that Alex Hunter did not support and they constantly butted heads. So any such "rapport request" would have been an informal request to go fly a kite (hint Steve). (chuckle)

Face it, Steve Thomas didn't have the requisite experience; he was totally out of his league and not maze bright to boot. Though I am not saying that BPD had any star detectives whatsoever.

Notwithstanding that truth, Steve Thomas putting his totally unsupportable theory into book form was simply asinine, which evidences his IQ cycle capabilities.