Tea

[narlacat]

Oh who cares Wudge

Steve Thomas was cute

And not half as stupid as you are making out.

 

[Paradox]

I.Q. Is genetic. Character is developed and earned. Steve 1, Wudge 0.

 

[Paradox]

Chuckle.

 

[Nehemiah]

No Jayelles, I'm right!

Page 5 Hardbound Steve Thomas book. "She blossomed as a beauty, loving everything about the pageants and making sure to tell her nother, who was leaving for London, to bring her back some hats."

I would not say Patsy went to England if she didn't.

Because I don't post often, I have more time to spend pouring over my books and am just as addicted to the case as the rest of you.

You also know me under a different hat.

Thank you. What hat did you use?

 

[Jayelles]

No Jayelles, I'm right!



Page 5 Hardbound Steve Thomas book. "She blossomed as a beauty, loving everything about the pageants and making sure to tell her nother, who was leaving for London, to bring her back some hats."

I would not say Patsy went to England if she didn't.

Because I don't post often, I have more time to spend pouring over my books and am just as addicted to the case as the rest of you.

You also know me under a different hat.

I wasn't suggesting that she didn't make a trip to England (I know she has been here).

However, since you were questioning whether the number 118 was associated with a hotel room number from a trip Patsy had made, I thought you were meaning a trip which had been made ielatively close in time to the murder (i.e. New York).

I believe the trip to England was some time before the murder and that there were numerous subsequent trips to various locations.

Why do you think the trip to England had more significance over trips which were made closer to the murder?

 

[BBB167893]

"However, he failed to do so and lost the libel suit that Ramsey's filed against him. That's how strong his alleged evidence was."

He did not lose. It was settled.

"He tried to profit from JonBenet's death, and he was given the opportunity to defend his theory. Moreover, he looked like a fool debating the Ramseys on LKL."

No, he meade them look guilty.

 

[aussiesheila]

Why would an intruder take the risk of being caught while tying up, carrying down, and force-feeding a little girl pineapple and tea? Force-feeding? I would expect to see more than one tiny little cut if some stranger was force-feeding tea and pineapple to a small child in the middle of the night in her own home, where one scream could easily draw her parents to come save her. I would think the insides of her lips would be bruised, outside of her mouth, even her cheeks.

So he's using a stun gun (eleven times?) on her to get her to eat for some ritual, with virtually no fear of being heard and a knowledge of the layout of the house? Waits long enough to let it digest before he assaults and kills her? Afterwards stops and takes the time to compose a 3 page ransom note (further risking discovery) but doesn't take the body?

How conicidental that one of JonBenet's favorite foods was pineapple.

It wasn't an intruder, it was Santa and he didn't take any risk in leading JonBenet down to the cellar, Patsy was expecting him IMO.

It was no coincidence that one of JonBenet's favorite foods was pineapple. Santa had made it his business to find out what her favorite fodds was so that he would have the ideal medium with which to get some pacifying drug into her system IMO without having to resort to force feeding. And the reason he did this was to render her more compliant in a session of sexual abuse that he had set up for Christmas night in the basement IMO.

And yes they did risk being discovered by John, but Santa had probably done his homework and found out that John slept very soundly. Don't most men? Who says all stunguns make loud noises? Wouldn't there be some silent ones on the market for those with special needs?

And he and his collegues didn't stay around and compose a 3 page ransom note, they got Patsy to do that IMO. They didn't take the body because they didn't have a car. (Yes I know Santa had arrived by car but IMO his driver was the one who fled through the basement window before the actual killing). The others all left as they had arrived, on foot and I suppose Santa had to go to one of their houses for the rest of the night.

 

[aussiesheila]

I.Q. Is genetic. Character is developed and earned. Steve 1, Wudge 0.

I think you have the scores the wrong way around Paradox.

 

[BBB167893]

No, I'm pretty sure he's correct. And I was tested for dyslexia.

 

[Brefie]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Chuckle.

PRICELESS!!!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[LinasK]

Yes, and on the other hand we have Steve Thomas that pointed his fingers at the Ramseys at the get go.In my opinion he got many biased against the Ramseys.
Amy

You always investigate the persons closest to the deceased first. The Ramseys could not be cleared, nor would they cooperate, just like Scott Peterson.

 

[BBB167893]

Apparently, the FBI felt the same way.

Sorry, dottierainbow, but a lot of what they did got people against them long before he got into it.

 

[Paradox]

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/for...ntid=1877&stc=1

Looks like cream or milk in the bowl.

 

[rashomon]

Every element of this murder SCREAMS ritualistic.

Imo a perp's inability to tie ligatures which function as such is not something 'ritualistic', but screams poor staging done in a panic.

 

[sissi]

Imo a perp's inability to tie ligatures which function as such is not something 'ritualistic', but screams poor staging done in a panic.

If it was staged it wasn't done "poorly" it was brilliant.

He uses a paintbrush, maybe his, maybe Patsy's, and "places" one broken piece back into the tray.
He uses the pad from the house, deposits it in the waste can next to the spiral stairs.
The pen from the house, was used as well, and returned to it's proper receptacle.
Pages were "reportedly" ( never verified) opened to the psalms .
IMO pineapple and spoon could indicate a formal last meal for Jonbenet.

The ransom note bought enough time to either get out of that basement or for the reason of getting a very long head start "getaway"

He lays that note in three pages, open for reading on a stair rung.

He latches the door to the wine cellar.

He leaves nothing behind that is HIS, because it's HIS!

I'm sure there's more that could be added.

Patsy , as noted by LHP was a bit of a slob, no one in that house put things back where they belonged. Who tells the truth? We are now to believe that the entire Ramsey clan has become obsessively neat....putting everything back where it belonged. I'm surprised this perp didn't make the beds before he left. The flashlight wiped clean of prints suggests he didn't miss many details. He had no intention of leaving a part of him behind. Why didn't he put the flashlight back into the drawer , would leaving it out minus prints prove to us how "competent" a felon he was?

His behavior suggests he is detail oriented, obsessive and controlling. When I said ritual, I wasn't suggesting a satanic cult, I was suggesting a person who planned this, fantasized in detail, included rituals that he needed to perform, as in the feeding of pineapple with a silver spoon. Some obsessive people go no further than washing their hands fifteen times a day, not fourteen not sixteen, some take it to a level that takes over their lives and it becomes a disability. Obsession is usually hyphenated to include compulsion, because what would an obsession be if you weren't compelled to do it. It's a part of staying in control, without it there is "fear" of something bad happening, not unlike our childish "step on a crack break your mother's back". Can obsession take one to murder, I doubt it, but an obsessive person would leave clues behind indicating he had this "problem". This killer seemed , beginning with his editing his own ransom note, to fit this picture. Is a serial killer's signature just that, or a needed ritual ? I threw that out because I've often wondered if that's the case.

 

[BBB167893]

If it was staged it wasn't done "poorly" it was brilliant.

He uses a paintbrush, maybe his, maybe Patsy's, and "places" one broken piece back into the tray.
He uses the pad from the house, deposits it in the waste can next to the spiral stairs.
The pen from the house, was used as well, and returned to it's proper receptacle.
Pages were "reportedly" ( never verified) opened to the psalms .
IMO pineapple and spoon could indicate a formal last meal for Jonbenet.

The ransom note bought enough time to either get out of that basement or for the reason of getting a very long head start "getaway"

He lays that note in three pages, open for reading on a stair rung.

He latches the door to the wine cellar.

He leaves nothing behind that is HIS, because it's HIS!

I'm sure there's more that could be added.

Patsy , as noted by LHP was a bit of a slob, no one in that house put things back where they belonged. Who tells the truth? We are now to believe that the entire Ramsey clan has become obsessively neat....putting everything back where it belonged. I'm surprised this perp didn't make the beds before he left. The flashlight wiped clean of prints suggests he didn't miss many details. He had no intention of leaving a part of him behind. Why didn't he put the flashlight back into the drawer , would leaving it out minus prints prove to us how "competent" a felon he was?

His behavior suggests he is detail oriented, obsessive and controlling. When I said ritual, I wasn't suggesting a satanic cult, I was suggesting a person who planned this, fantasized in detail, included rituals that he needed to perform, as in the feeding of pineapple with a silver spoon. Some obsessive people go no further than washing their hands fifteen times a day, not fourteen not sixteen, some take it to a level that takes over their lives and it becomes a disability. Obsession is usually hyphenated to include compulsion, because what would an obsession be if you weren't compelled to do it. It's a part of staying in control, without it there is "fear" of something bad happening, not unlike our childish "step on a crack break your mother's back". Can obsession take one to murder, I doubt it, but an obsessive person would leave clues behind indicating he had this "problem". This killer seemed , beginning with his editing his own ransom note, to fit this picture. Is a serial killer's signature just that, or a needed ritual ? I threw that out because I've often wondered if that's the case.

Crime scenes aren't inconsistent. This one was. A whole mess of conflicting motives. That doesn't happen with a real intruder (per CASKU). No such animal. Staging, and I'm willing to try and prove it!

 

[sissi]

I will not disagree that it was staged. Some of the staging may have taken place in the morning , after the arrival of French. There were quite a few odd happenings in that house, however I will tell you one thing that did not happen, John was not missing . He did not leave that house. Read Arndt's depo. Fleet however went to the basement with no one knowing, why did he do that?? Let's hear about the wonderful man, and his reasoning? Why after he was TOLD to let no one go down there after the finding of the body, did he make ONE MORE TRIP?? Maybe he did not! Did anyone see him? I believe he said he touched the tape, the door, the blanket, and walked into the room to cover for any evidence that may have linked this to him. Why, since he was so obsessively precise, because there's always a "fear" that he missed something? That's just the nature of the illness, he went down out of fear. He claims he made three trips. DID HE? Did someone see him make three?

a 911 call
priscilla looking through the dayplanner
White "obsessively taking notes" during the day while waiting for the "kidnapper" ( why..oh why?)
who made Burke's bed?
Do I believe White killed Jonbenet, NOOOO! It was an accident, IF he was involved it was at the planning level, for the party Krebs described. NO WAY would he have killed her. Could he have panicked after she died ,throwing himself around, kicking at the killer, missing and kicking the already dead Jonbenet?

I think it should have been Priscilla and Fleet that were questioned and interrogated until one of them slipped. There is evidence based on "their" behaviors that they were aware of "something".

Who knows how much truth is in what Krebs said, if only a small amount it would make the White involvement possible. Why did White Sr. offer her thousands of dollars to not do the interview?

 

[Toltec]

Chuckle.

(snicker)

Paradox 1 Wudge 0

 

[UKGuy]

I will not disagree that it was staged. Some of the staging may have taken place in the morning , after the arrival of French. There were quite a few odd happenings in that house, however I will tell you one thing that did not happen, John was not missing . He did not leave that house. Read Arndt's depo. Fleet however went to the basement with no one knowing, why did he do that?? Let's hear about the wonderful man, and his reasoning? Why after he was TOLD to let no one go down there after the finding of the body, did he make ONE MORE TRIP?? Maybe he did not! Did anyone see him? I believe he said he touched the tape, the door, the blanket, and walked into the room to cover for any evidence that may have linked this to him. Why, since he was so obsessively precise, because there's always a "fear" that he missed something? That's just the nature of the illness, he went down out of fear. He claims he made three trips. DID HE? Did someone see him make three?

a 911 call
priscilla looking through the dayplanner
White "obsessively taking notes" during the day while waiting for the "kidnapper" ( why..oh why?)
who made Burke's bed?
Do I believe White killed Jonbenet, NOOOO! It was an accident, IF he was involved it was at the planning level, for the party Krebs described. NO WAY would he have killed her. Could he have panicked after she died ,throwing himself around, kicking at the killer, missing and kicking the already dead Jonbenet?

I think it should have been Priscilla and Fleet that were questioned and interrogated until one of them slipped. There is evidence based on "their" behaviors that they were aware of "something".

Who knows how much truth is in what Krebs said, if only a small amount it would make the White involvement possible. Why did White Sr. offer her thousands of dollars to not do the interview?

sissi,

Your detailed analysis is excellent!

Recognizing that this is a crime-scene that has potentially many levels of staging, is what turns it from a standard homicide into something different.

There is scope for a conspiracy theory involving Fleet White, I've outlined it before, but currently I assume Fleet White returned to the crime-scene because he probably could not believe what he had seen, or thought he had seen.

I suspect Fleet realised that the wine-cellar was staging, but not wholly in those terms, more something did not add up, so he went back for another look!

He was also one of the few adults who would have known JonBenet on a personal level, so some of his opinions have a greater degree of credibility than some others.

Some features of the staging are not staging and are described in profiling jargon as Precautionary Acts e.g. flashlight wiped clean of prints.

Small details such as this suggests there is more, much more, to this case than a head-bashing homicide. They confirm a carefully staged homicide.

.

 

[BBB167893]

I can't figure Fleet White. Who knows why anyone does anything?