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[BBB167893]

"This whole staging business is inconsistent because the stager was not able to make it consistant. The stager threw in alot in the pie."

That's exactly the point.

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy:

I think the flashlight played a large part in the crime.
Not every priece of staging is located to the basement. The obvious RN was not in the basement.

To use the flashlight for lightening up the basement is a good point and that may very well be the case,
I just think the stager saw a good use of the flashlight staging a scene in the kitchen, this not meaning it was the optimal thing to do.

I am not trying to make a consistent scene but trying to build an idea of how the stager thought while doing the staging.

This whole staging business is inconsistent because the stager was not able to make it consistant. The stager threw in alot in the pie.

tumble,

Yes I agree the staging makes the crime-scene appear inconsistent and confusing.

I have found it helps to recognize that there was probably not just one staging but multiple stagings and its this that gives the crime-scene the appearance that the stager threw a lot into the pie!


Whereas there is likely a minimum of three stages e.g. the original crime-scene, now cleaned up, Patsy's staged crime scene in the basement, and John's further elaboration on this. Each of the preceeeding stages can be backed up with forensic evidence.

I had intended to publish it with a provisional title of RDI + SDI, (Staging Did It) but it incorporated some litigious claims, and sorting out the staging is particularly difficult.


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[rashomon]

tumble,
Because every other item of the JonBenet crime-scene evidence conforms to a particular pattern of use.

What do you think was e. g. the 'pattern of use' in tying JB's hair into those strange pigtails? If she was allegedly abducted from her bedroom while asleep, why do her hair at all? If she was the alleged victim of sexual assault, why do her hair for it that way?

 

[UKGuy]

What do you think was e. g. the 'pattern of use' in tying JB's hair into those strange pigtails? If she was allegedly abducted from her bedroom while asleep, why do her hair at all? If she was the alleged victim of sexual assault, why do her hair for it that way?

rashomon,

Well depends on when you think they were done.

They may have formed part of some sexual abuse routine.

They may have been done whilst JonBenet was post-mortem horizontal, the rigor-mortis preventing accurate placement, but the intent could have been to mimic bedtime pigtails, similar to her barbie-gown being available.

Whats of possible interest is where this may have been undertaken, there are no hair-ties down in the basement, so either they run up and downstairs for hair-ties and size-12 underwear or it was done elsewhere?

Reasoning thus: There is evidence of JonBenet's garrote staging, but not of much else. Upstairs hair-ties were strewn over her bedroom floor. We do not know what else was removed.

The wiping down of JonBenet is another potential episode, that is it occurred somewhere other than the wine-cellar, this could have been upstairs or elsewhere in the basement.

But once wiped down and cleaned up, she was probably wrapped in the balnkets to avoid any further contamination.

Two things I dont know are:

Did JonBenet normally wear underwear in bed?

Did JonBenet normally wear pigtails to bed?

Answers to these will obviously inform you further as to the was it staging question.


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[Toltec]

This so-called intruder used objects in this kidnapping/murder from the home. The paper, pen, rope and cord....even the Ramsey flashlight!

This killer decides to enter the home unprepared...huh?

And why would this intruder bring along a humongous heavy flashlight??? Wouldn't a pen-type flashlight be a better option?

JonBenet soiled her panties and play pants during the day. She dressed to go to the Whites, but failed to change her soiled panties. There is no way she put the size 12 Wednesday panties on before going to the Whites because of lack of skid marks on those panties. There is only blood on them and the blood smears do not correspond with the blood on her vaginal area. So it stands to reason the killer placed the panties on her post-mortem.

 

[rashomon]

rashomon,

Well depends on when you think they were done.

They may have formed part of some sexual abuse routine.

They may have been done whilst JonBenet was post-mortem horizontal, the rigor-mortis preventing accurate placement, but the intent could have been to mimic bedtime pigtails, similar to her barbie-gown being available.

Whats of possible interest is where this may have been undertaken, there are no hair-ties down in the basement, so either they run up and downstairs for hair-ties and size-12 underwear or it was done elsewhere?

Reasoning thus: There is evidence of JonBenet's garrote staging, but not of much else. Upstairs hair-ties were strewn over her bedroom floor. We do not know what else was removed.

The wiping down of JonBenet is another potential episode, that is it occurred somewhere other than the wine-cellar, this could have been upstairs or elsewhere in the basement.

But once wiped down and cleaned up, she was probably wrapped in the balnkets to avoid any further contamination.

Two things I dont know are:

Did JonBenet normally wear underwear in bed?

Did JonBenet normally wear pigtails to bed?

Answers to these will obviously inform you further as to the was it staging question.

What's more, we have only got the artist rendition of the ponytails, and since the artist's picture of JBs arms obviously contradict the actual rigor mortis position in which she was found (see the original crime scene picture 'JB at house' - I can' find it right now, but it used to be on the ACandyRose site) maybe her hair was done in a much less strange way that in the artist's picture, with all hair pulled back from her face?

But suppose the rendition was correct, could the hair have been done that way to disguise the head wound?

Do you (or others) know where exactly John's black T-shirt was found, the fibers of which were consistent with the fibers in JB's genital area?

Does anyone know if Patsy said JB normally wore her hair in pigtails when sleeping?

 

[UKGuy]

What's more, we have only got the artist rendition of the ponytails, and since the artist's picture of JBs arms obviously contradict the actual rigor mortis position in which she was found (see the original crime scene picture 'JB at house' - I can' find it right now, but it used to be on the ACandyRose site) maybe her hair was done in a much less strange way that in the artist's picture, with all hair pulled back from her face?

But suppose the rendition was correct, could the hair have been done that way to disguise the head wound?

Do you (or others) know where exactly John's black T-shirt was found, the fibers of which were consistent with the fibers in JB's genital area?

Does anyone know if Patsy said JB normally wore her hair in pigtails when sleeping?

rashomon

No not quite, there is also Coroner Meyer's description in his Autopsy:

The scalp is covered by long blonde hair which is fixed in two ponytails, one on top of the head secured by a cloth hair tie and blue elastic band, and one in the lower back of the head secured by a blue elastic band.
No scalp trauma is identified.

From this description it is evident that the pigtails are asymmetric and thats the important fact!

To determine staging its required to know if JonBenet normally wore her hair in pigtails to bed?

From memory I think John's black woolen shirt was handed over a long time later along with other requested items.

Because it was an expensive foreign shirt its matching and typing should be expected to be fairly accurate.

With regard to her being whacked on the head. There was nothing to be seen, no visible injuries. Coroner Meyer never knew she had a head injury until he did the internal examination.

So its actually possible to suggest rather than hiding any head injury the asymmetric pigtails would have drawn attention to it, if it had been visible?

This suggests the possibility her killer was not aware of the head injury?

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[BBB167893]

"This suggests the possibility her killer was not aware of the head injury?"

No way. They HAD to have heard the skull crack.

"This killer decides to enter the home unprepared...huh?"

That's only one of many things that doesn't add up!