Team JonBenet

[aussiesheila]

"No, they weren't indicted because the crime scene was never secured and what evidence was there was compromised. I am not saying they should have been indicted, only that the circumstantial evidence that might have worked against them was tainted by poor police response in the early hours."

Probably didn't hurt that the Haddon law firm practically ran the state, AND sicced private detectives on anyone who might say the Ramseys were involved. What a story that is to tell!

"The foreign DNA argument is WAAAAAAAY weaker than the signs that Patsy wrote the note."

I'm inclined to agree. As is Henry Lee, BTW.

capps, maybe you're right about there not being any ONE solid piece of evidence, but everything taken together is a different story. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

There was one person who said that Patsy was physically abusive, but I don't know how believable the posters here would find it...

I think I read somewhere that someone had seen her suddenly turn not physically, but very, very verbally abusive. I don't find that difficult to believe at all. It fits in with other things I have read about Patsy. I think she acted like Mrs Perfect to the people she wanted to impress, but it was an act.

 

[aussiesheila]

Ok, Dave....thanks for that! I have actually read that chapter.

I think the mistake that LHP makes with this chapter is that it is seemingly so full of bitter revenge. She could have 'been heard' in a much more receptive audience had this chapter been less scathing, IMO.
I am inclined to believe that a Ramsey did this, however, this chapter has a feel to it that leads me to think this book is for sensationalism and entertainment more than finding justice for JBR.

I am finding it hard to say what I mean.....but I think that the 'narrator' in a book like this should be more 'likeable' to be believable.

Lord, I am rambling trying to find the words...perhaps SOMEONE knows what I mean!!

I agree Brefie, I'm not so sure you can believe anything in that book. I think it was written to make a buck. It came out a long time after the murder at a time when I think LHP had become very disenchanted with Patsy. I think LHP was pretty loyal to Patsy in the beginning, but was probably very hurt, and justifiably so IMO, when Patsy dobbed her in as a possible suspect. As the months wore on and the investigation wore on, I think LHP just decided to get something out of it for herself. I don't think she ever saw anything like what Dave quoted from that chapter, and would therefore not have stated it to the GJ where she was under oath. If she had I think the GJ might have decided there were grounds to indict Patsy, which we all know they didn't.

 

[RiverRat]

I think I read somewhere that someone had seen her suddenly turn not physically, but very, very verbally abusive. I don't find that difficult to believe at all. It fits in with other things I have read about Patsy. I think she acted like Mrs Perfect to the people she wanted to impress, but it was an act.

Yeah - try watching the "interrogation" videos for fine examples of the real Patsy. Just the cussing coming from such a God Fearing Woman should be enough to tip one off that maybe - just maybe - she wasn't as sweet as she wanted us to believe she was.

RR

 

[BBB167893]

"I think I read somewhere that someone had seen her suddenly turn not physically, but very, very verbally abusive. I don't find that difficult to believe at all. It fits in with other things I have read about Patsy. I think she acted like Mrs Perfect to the people she wanted to impress, but it was an act."

Not only that, but it's believed that John was verbally abusive toward her. It's not uncommon for a spouse to take it out on their kids.

 

[Jayelles]

"I think I read somewhere that someone had seen her suddenly turn not physically, but very, very verbally abusive. I don't find that difficult to believe at all. It fits in with other things I have read about Patsy. I think she acted like Mrs Perfect to the people she wanted to impress, but it was an act."

Not only that, but it's believed that John was verbally abusive toward her. It's not uncommon for a spouse to take it out on their kids.

She got mad about mail going to the wrong place or something. Doesn't everyone get mad sometimes?

 

[capps]

"I think I read somewhere ..."

"Not only that,but it's believed ..."

That's how rumors get started.

 

[BBB167893]

"I think I read somewhere ..."

"Not only that,but it's believed ..."

That's how rumors get started.

That's why I said you can make up your own minds.

 

[Solace]

Yeah - try watching the "interrogation" videos for fine examples of the real Patsy. Just the cussing coming from such a God Fearing Woman should be enough to tip one off that maybe - just maybe - she wasn't as sweet as she wanted us to believe she was.

RR

RiverRat: Where can I get the videos? Thanks, Solace

 

[IrishMist]

She got mad about mail going to the wrong place or something. Doesn't everyone get mad sometimes?

Ah, but Jayelles, there is a difference between "mad" and in a "rage."

That would be a lesson I learned in my last marriage...

 

[capps]

That's why I said you can make up your own minds.

SuperDave,

At the risk of sounding argumentive ... no,you didn't.

Here's your quote from post #84:

"Not only that, but it's believed that John was verbally abusive toward her. It's not uncommon for a spouse to take it out on their kids."

 

[BBB167893]

SuperDave,

At the risk of sounding argumentive ... no,you didn't.

Here's your quote from post #84:

"Not only that, but it's believed that John was verbally abusive toward her. It's not uncommon for a spouse to take it out on their kids."

Easy, capps. I admit to my little screw-up. I meant to say you can make up your own minds.

 

[Eagle1]

A nice post. .......

Behavior was used to convict people in Salem, 1692. Of course, the people who had real behavior problems were those doing the judging..... QUOTE]

Well, yes. There seemed to be some contagious mass hysteria in Salem that might take a while to analyze.

 

[Old Broad]

Does anybody recall what gifts Jonbenet was given for Christmas? I understand Burke had a new video game, just curious about what might be there waiting for JonBenet when she got home from the party that she might want to either play with or perhaps put on. I know when I was a child and was given something new I wanted to start using it right away. Also I find it curious that Patsy would put the same clothes on the next day, Patsy does not strike me as someone who would wear an outfit 2 days in a row. Now if she had ended up staying up all night, never taking them off in the first place, that's a nother story.

Old Broad

 

[BBB167893]

Also I find it curious that Patsy would put the same clothes on the next day, Patsy does not strike me as someone who would wear an outfit 2 days in a row. Now if she had ended up staying up all night, never taking them off in the first place, that's a nother story.

At least two people who knew her said that she wouldn't THINK of wearing the same thing twice in a row.

 

[trixie]

Does anybody recall what gifts Jonbenet was given for Christmas? I understand Burke had a new video game, just curious about what might be there waiting for JonBenet when she got home from the party that she might want to either play with or perhaps put on. I know when I was a child and was given something new I wanted to start using it right away. Also I find it curious that Patsy would put the same clothes on the next day, Patsy does not strike me as someone who would wear an outfit 2 days in a row. Now if she had ended up staying up all night, never taking them off in the first place, that's a nother story.

Old Broad

Well just off the top of my head I can remember she got a jewelry making kit, a My Twinn doll, and a bike. That's all I can remember but I'm sure she got loads more than that!

 

[trixie]

At least two people who knew her said that she wouldn't THINK of wearing the same thing twice in a row.

This thing about wearing the same clothes two days in a row, you see it's just this...I can see wearing the same thing you took off the night before IF you don't take a shower. IF you plan on taking a shower you usually plan on putting on clean clothes after the shower. But in Patys book she says she woke up and THEN remembered her shower was broken and thus she would not be taking one. And in her interviews she makes it sound like she planned on wearing the same clothes the next day, even with a shower that morning. Like she had planned on taking a shower and then putting on the same clothes she wore the day before. That is why this whole story doesn't seem believable to me.

 

[Jayelles]

Does anybody recall what gifts Jonbenet was given for Christmas? I understand Burke had a new video game, just curious about what might be there waiting for JonBenet when she got home from the party that she might want to either play with or perhaps put on. I know when I was a child and was given something new I wanted to start using it right away. Also I find it curious that Patsy would put the same clothes on the next day, Patsy does not strike me as someone who would wear an outfit 2 days in a row. Now if she had ended up staying up all night, never taking them off in the first place, that's a nother story.

Old Broad

I cannot get excited about the same clothes two days in a row because

a) it was Christmas - we're talking festive ensemble here
b) she'd only worn it for a few hours the previous day
c) she was going to be wearing it among a new crowd of people

OTOH, if Patsy was a murderess looking to throw the police off their tracks, she might have murdered JonBenet in her nightclothes, washed the nightclothes and showered herself, then dressed in the same outfit as the previous day and claimed she hadn't had a shower... KNOWING with confidence that investigators might be suspicious and think she'd been up all night - but that forensic tests would reveal no evidence of the murder on her person.

Let's face it, the first thing a murder does is shower and change.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I cannot get excited about the same clothes two days in a row because

a) it was Christmas - we're talking festive ensemble here
b) she'd only worn it for a few hours the previous day
c) she was going to be wearing it among a new crowd of people

OTOH, if Patsy was a murderess looking to throw the police off their tracks, she might have murdered JonBenet in her nightclothes, washed the nightclothes and showered herself, then dressed in the same outfit as the previous day and claimed she hadn't had a shower... KNOWING with confidence that investigators might be suspicious and think she'd been up all night - but that forensic tests would reveal no evidence of the murder on her person.

Let's face it, the first thing a murder does is shower and change.

Yes, but this is Patsy, a horse of a different color. She didn't reckon appearances the way the average person might.

a) I guarantee you she had more than one festive emsemble for the holidays
b) a few hours is all it takes for an outfit to get unfresh - perspiration, wrinkles, cigarette smoke
c) all the more reason to change - wanting to look nice and put-together in a fresh outfit

She was going to be flying, and I tend to think she'd have wanted to wear something comfy and relaxing on the plane for the trip up, not the same outfit she wore the previous night. I don't own as many clothes as Patsy would have, and there's no way I'd dress in the same outfit I wore to a party the night before if I was planning on being on a plane for a couple of hours - especially not if I was meeting someone I wanted to look good for. She'd just end up looking wrinkled and travel-weary.

A murderer doesn't shower and change if she's run out of time, which is what I assume happened here. Maybe the clock ran out when John got up, and all she could get done after that was scream and begin the charade. She completely overlooked the pineapple, too.

 

[Jayelles]

Yes, but this is Patsy, a horse of a different color. She didn't reckon appearances the way the average person might.

a) I guarantee you she had more than one festive emsemble for the holidays
b) a few hours is all it takes for an outfit to get unfresh - perspiration, wrinkles, cigarette smoke
c) all the more reason to change - wanting to look nice and put-together in a fresh outfit

She was going to be flying, and I tend to think she'd have wanted to wear something comfy and relaxing on the plane for the trip up, not the same outfit she wore the previous night. I don't own as many clothes as Patsy would have, and there's no way I'd dress in the same outfit I wore to a party the night before if I was planning on being on a plane for a couple of hours - especially not if I was meeting someone I wanted to look good for. She'd just end up looking wrinkled and travel-weary.

A murderer doesn't shower and change if she's run out of time, which is what I assume happened here. Maybe the clock ran out when John got up, and all she could get done after that was scream and begin the charade. She completely overlooked the pineapple, too.

She was going to be flying BUT they were picking up the big kids en-route and it was Melinda's (then) boyfriend that she wanted to impress.

The pineapple is the bugaboo.

 

[UKGuy]

I cannot get excited about the same clothes two days in a row because

a) it was Christmas - we're talking festive ensemble here
b) she'd only worn it for a few hours the previous day
c) she was going to be wearing it among a new crowd of people

OTOH, if Patsy was a murderess looking to throw the police off their tracks, she might have murdered JonBenet in her nightclothes, washed the nightclothes and showered herself, then dressed in the same outfit as the previous day and claimed she hadn't had a shower... KNOWING with confidence that investigators might be suspicious and think she'd been up all night - but that forensic tests would reveal no evidence of the murder on her person.

Let's face it, the first thing a murder does is shower and change.

I cannot see the wearing the same outfit two days running as confirming anything.

Consider the circumstances as they were prior to the 911 call, and those after JonBenet's body was discovered?

If Patsy knew about the fiber linkage then why even go there with the same outfit?

Why not shower as John did ?

Patsy did not know how events were to transpire post 911 call.

How was Patsy ever to know she would get the opportunity to hug JonBenet's corpse?

Wearing the same outfit two days running is odd, but does not make you guilty of murder.

Maybe as Arndt says there is much we do not know, and if we learn some more, maybe all these curiosities will fall into place?


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