Teresa N., Haleigh's paternal grandmother

[Shaymus at The Rock]

The court records are from 2002 and are not current. TN lives on Rita Lane just like the police report states. It would take about 15 minutes to arrive at RC's. She arrived between 3:40 and 3:49. The police report indicates she arrived after 3:40 and we know she called Crystal from there at 3:49.

How have you been able to verify the bolded sentence above ? tia

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Bolded by me. I find these statements to be speculation on your part. We have no proof that LE checked or did not check arrival times. I am sure they know where she lives however. As for stopping to pray, well speculation again. We would hope she dashed out of the house to go to RC's side in such a tragic event. Stopping to pray would be a nice thought, but we don't know that she took time out for this, thus getting her there later.

I do agree she needs to find answers and we hope they are the answers she wants. This is everyones nighmare.

It isn't speculation that I stopped to say a little prayer for Teresa! Granted, I have no proof I did it other than me saying I did...but Gosh...isn't that getting a bit too much?! (I am assuming you may have misread my statement.)

I have to believe LE knows exactly where Teresa lives since she works for LE! It wouldn't be difficult for them to call the neighboring county for her address. They could easily figure out her timeline.

At least we know she didn't take hours and hours to rush to the scene when she found out her darling Haleigh was missing. This is a fact.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The LE made her address public in the police report...1** Rita Lane, Pomona Park. At last report of tax records, the address does not exist.

She works as a dispatcher for a neighboring county and they would know where she lives, IMO. Perhaps it was a clerical error on the report with the wrong address as this does happen quite frequently.

Again, Teresa doesn't have to alert the public to where she lives. Her address could be listed under someone else's name if she was renting her house or if she was living with another person, yes?

 

[Blackwatch]

She works as a dispatcher for a neighboring county and they would know where she lives, IMO. Perhaps it was a clerical error on the report with the wrong address as this does happen quite frequently.

Again, Teresa doesn't have to alert the public to where she lives. Her address could be listed under someone else's name if she was renting her house or if she was living with another person, yes?

Yes, of course, she could have been living anywhere, even though she gave an address that may/may not be valid. I'm sure LE knows exactly where she lives and her timeline, the same as I'm sure they know everything else about this case. I believe the point to some of these posts, not yours SS, is, if she came from where she said she lived and there was no trailer there, you gotta wonder if she was living in a tent or the real address is a secret known only to her employers, LE. It would be such a handy sleuthing tool to know where she was coming from to get to Ron's rented MH in 15 or so minutes, or was she there prior to that? See, some of us have suspicious minds and suspicious minds solve more cases than believing everything someone "says". God knows where LE would have been if they'd have believed Casey Anthony.

Carry on, after all this is only my opinion.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, of course, she could have been living anywhere, even though she gave an address that may/may not be valid. I'm sure LE knows exactly where she lives and her timeline, the same as I'm sure they know everything else about this case. I believe the point to some of these posts, not yours SS, is, if she came from where she said she lived and there was no trailer there, you gotta wonder if she was living in a tent or the real address is a secret known only to her employers, LE. It would be such a handy sleuthing tool to know where she was coming from to get to Ron's rented MH in 15 or so minutes, or was she there prior to that? See, some of us have suspicious minds and suspicious minds solve more cases than believing everything someone "says". God knows where LE would have been if they'd have believed Casey Anthony.

Carry on, after all this is only my opinion.

Why would Teresa give them an invalid address when they could pick up the radio and verify it?! Makes no logical sense at all!!

 

[Blackwatch]

Why would Teresa give them an invalid address when they could pick up the radio and verify it?! Makes no logical sense at all!!

No, it doesn't, and if there is no trailer at the address she gave, one must wonder why she did that - wonder real hard and long. 'Course that's just my opinion. Can anyone prove there is a trailer/home of any sort on that property? Proof of that would go a long way toward putting this niggling doubt to rest.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No, it doesn't, and if there is no trailer at the address she gave, one must wonder why she did that - wonder real hard and long. 'Course that's just my opinion. Can anyone prove there is a trailer/home of any sort on that property? Proof of that would go a long way toward putting this niggling doubt to rest.

Maybe she didn't "do that"! Again, it could have been an error on the officer's part. Didn't they first list Haleigh as a male child (or was that Caylee?)? Clerical errors happen on police reports all the time.

Who is to say she doesn't live in one of the three other mhs in that area that you found? Nothing says her home has to be in her name.

The point is...there is absolutely NO indication Teresa did not give them her correct address. Maybe it is standard if you work for LE that they do not release it on reports for the safety of their officers and dispatchers. Why don't you call and ask them if this is the case or if it was a clerical error since it is a problem for you?

Also, if you are going by visuals off the google maps etc., they are sometimes up to 4 years behind and are not updated to be current.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

No, it doesn't, and if there is no trailer at the address she gave, one must wonder why she did that - wonder real hard and long. 'Course that's just my opinion. Can anyone prove there is a trailer/home of any sort on that property? Proof of that would go a long way toward putting this niggling doubt to rest.

I wonder about that as well, Blackwatch. Two questions I have are:

1. IF she did lie about her whereabouts, what could have been the motive(s) ?

2. And IF she did lie, would she have been concerned about LE checking the information she gave them ? Maybe it could be as simple as Casey A's lies to LE - just a habit ? IDK ...

Ofcourse, this is just speculation - big IFs.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

There is no reason to suspect Teresa lied to anyone about anything.

To even compare her to Casey is like saying the officer on the scene who arrived to take the information is a liar who wrote the information down wrong on purpose. Teresa didn't write the report so the officer MUST be the liar if it is incorrect.

It would be an ENORMOUS IF for her to work for LE in one county and lie to them about a simple thing such as where she lived.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

There is no reason to suspect Teresa lied to anyone about anything.

To even compare her to Casey is like saying the officer on the scene who arrived to take the information is a liar who wrote the information down wrong on purpose. Teresa didn't write the report so the officer MUST be the liar if it is incorrect.

It would be an ENORMOUS IF for her to work for LE in one county and lie to them about a simple thing such as where she lived.

BBM

I don't see the logic there. Why would you think the LEO would lie ? He/she would either be using info TN provided him verbally or off her DL. Unless he knew her well personnally, including where she lived, why would he doubt the info she gave him ? Later LE probably verified everything - at least I hope they did.

 

[elle1919]

I am wondering just what all this speculation about Teresa Neves is about. In my opinion this just takes more attention of the true facts in this case, and in turn, take the focus off Haleigh. The fact that Teresa has something to hide and deserves all this well for lack of a better word.....I just don't get it. I understand that many posters have drawn a conclusion that the grandmothers in this case may have something to hide and I would focus my attention on them more if Law Enforcement ever gave one iota of an idea that they had something to hide.

Am I to understand that because Teresa worked for the county and might know people in Law Enforcement that she is getting preferential treatment? Or they are giving her son preferential treatment? I want to be clear. I am trying to understand this? Because, in the past few years i have followed many cases were members of Law Enforcement themselves(DP) are being prosecuted as we speak. I don't mean to sound argumentative. I am trying to understand how and why TN became a suspect.

 

[Shaymus at The Rock]

This is the TN thread and therefore the topic of discussion is going to be TN. There are several excellent threads that discuss many aspects of this case. Unfortunately, facts are few and thus many of these threads are opinion based. However, should a person decide that discussing TN, or any other "thread player", is inappropriate and a distraction, they need only chose a different thread. IMO

 

[LFlorida]

Oh, I don't think TN is getting preferential treatment. Not officially anyway. But she's probably privy to info about the case through her fellow workers at ACSO that an ordinary citizen would not be.

re: getting back to the "It's all about Haleigh" thought. It is all about Haleigh. But what are we supposed to do? Keep admiring photos of her? Keep posting "prayers for lil Haleigh"? Talk about how much she loves her grandmother's phone? The camera she received for Christmas? Her birthmark? Her love of Hanna Montana stuff, and pink and purple?

I am not trying to attack, but re-reading the threads after a long absence, it seems to me like this just gets thrown out there when people [on both sides] don't like where the discussion is going.

Am I just imagining this?

mods: sorry if this is inappropriate. I'm a little rusty.

 

[Skully]

It isn't speculation that I stopped to say a little prayer for Teresa! Granted, I have no proof I did it other than me saying I did...but Gosh...isn't that getting a bit too much?! (I am assuming you may have misread my statement.)

I have to believe LE knows exactly where Teresa lives since she works for LE! It wouldn't be difficult for them to call the neighboring county for her address. They could easily figure out her timeline.

At least we know she didn't take hours and hours to rush to the scene when she found out her darling Haleigh was missing. This is a fact.

Sorry SS,

I did misread the part about the stopping to say a prayer. I thought you meant TN stopped to say a prayer before she went to RC's. That would put the time off even more if she did that. I am sorry. I am glad you said a prayer.

At this point I don't think where she lives or doesn't live or how fast anyone got there will make a difference for Haleigh.

 

[elle1919]

This is the TN thread and therefore the topic of discussion is going to be TN. There are several excellent threads that discuss many aspects of this case. Unfortunately, facts are few and thus many of these threads are opinion based. However, should a person decide that discussing TN, or any other "thread player", is inapproriate and a distraction, they need only chose a different thread. IMO

lol.....thank you for your take on how things work around here. I was fairly certain I understood the workings, my question was.....about TN. What I better want to understand is everyone's opinion why TN is considered suspicious. That opens the door to a discussion about the reasons people might second guess her personal statements, addresses and such. I understand there are opinions about her, but it seems to me that people like to question the characters in this case. I understand how people have drawn conclusions in regards to Misty and Ronald and Crystal and Chad....we see lots of FACTS to either make a mark for or against them. I am trying to understand what brought people to be suspicious of TN....thats all. If you don't have a stance or want to commit to a general opinion one way or the other, I understand and you are not obligated to respond to my post personally.

 

[LFlorida]

I would so appreciate it if someone could confirm whether TN worked at Messer's Eastside Bait & Tackle in East Palatka in the 1980s. If so, then it changes my whole opinion about TN and the case. If she is the T who worked up there, then I knew her. I thought she was super nice and sweet, very trustworthy. I liked her a lot.

 

[Skully]

lol.....thank you for your take on how things work around here. I was fairly certain I understood the workings, my question was.....about TN. What I better want to understand is everyone's opinion why TN is considered suspicious. That opens the door to a discussion about the reasons people might second guess her personal statements, addresses and such. I understand there are opinions about her, but it seems to me that people like to question the characters in this case. I understand how people have drawn conclusions in regards to Misty and Ronald and Crystal and Chad....we see lots of FACTS to either make a mark for or against them. I am trying to understand what brought people to be suspicious of TN....thats all. If you don't have a stance or want to commit to a general opinion one way or the other, I understand and you are not obligated to respond to my post personally.

I don't find her suspect, I find it odd that she welcomes Misty with open arms after all we know that happened that prior weekend and all the changed answers to LE. TN is around LE and she must have some insight as to why the statements changed. My MIL wouldn't have been so happy to see me marry her son if I was the last one to be with her granddaughter and she went missing on top of the fact I was out doing questionable things the weekend before. JMO

 

[elle1919]

Oh, I don't think TN is getting preferential treatment. Not officially anyway. But she's probably privy to info about the case through her fellow workers at ACSO that an ordinary citizen would not be.

re: getting back to the "It's all about Haleigh" thought. It is all about Haleigh. But what are we supposed to do? Keep admiring photos of her? Keep posting "prayers for lil Haleigh"? Talk about how much she loves her grandmother's phone? The camera she received for Christmas? Her birthmark? Her love of Hanna Montana stuff, and pink and purple?

I am not trying to attack, but re-reading the threads after a long absence, it seems to me like this just gets thrown out there when people [on both sides] don't like where the discussion is going.

Am I just imagining this?

mods: sorry if this is inappropriate. I'm a little rusty.

Hi LFlorida...nice to see you back to posting. I am not on a side and all I want to do is open up communication. I am looking for a discussion....any discussion and thats all. No-one has yet to convince me one way or the other that Ronald was involved in his daughter's disappearance. No-one has yet to convince me that Crystal was involved in Haleigh's disappearance. Everyone has different ideas, but none are yet so compelling to sway MY opinion that there is still a chance that Haleigh was taken by a sex offender, either registered or maybe this was their first time. Anyway, I don't think it is a stretch that this might be what occurred. I have had the same belief since day 1 and I have posted on numerous threads my theory in full. But, not many posters respond to those threads. The threads about the players in this case are full of a lot of opinions and view points and these are the ones that have the most traffic.

But, just because I do not have the same belief as others on this forum that one side of the family or the other is involved, such as TN, does not make my voice any softer and until LE enforcement comes out and gives us some info....I will stand by my assertion and continue to talk about the possibility that justice for Haleigh will come, hopefully sooner rather than later..

 

[LFlorida]

Maybe she didn't "do that"! Again, it could have been an error on the officer's part. Didn't they first list Haleigh as a male child (or was that Caylee?)? Clerical errors happen on police reports all the time.

Who is to say she doesn't live in one of the three other mhs in that area that you found? Nothing says her home has to be in her name.

The point is...there is absolutely NO indication Teresa did not give them her correct address. Maybe it is standard if you work for LE that they do not release it on reports for the safety of their officers and dispatchers. Why don't you call and ask them if this is the case or if it was a clerical error since it is a problem for you?

Also, if you are going by visuals off the google maps etc., they are sometimes up to 4 years behind and are not updated to be current.

ITA, SS. She has used that 105 Rita address for a while, not just on the police report.

For the life of me, though, I cannot find that m/h that she rents from the Kno family in any of the county records. Guess I could call their son, H, but I feel kind of stupid doing that.

I don't agree that PCSO would have put a fake addy on the report. JMO, but I think if they were keeping personnel data private, they would have blacked out her address and phone number. [Boy, I'll bet she's had some real nutcases calling her.]

 

[elle1919]

I don't find her suspect, I find it odd that she welcomes Misty with open arms after all we know that happened that prior weekend and all the changed answers to LE. TN is around LE and she must have some insight as to why the statements changed. My MIL wouldn't have been so happy to see me marry her son if I was the last one to be with her granddaughter and she went missing on top of the fact I was out doing questionable things the weekend before. JMO

YES.....see, a reason why TN might be questioned!!I agree with what you said too. My MIL would not pleased with me either, but she would stand by me if that is what my husband chose to do.

Thank you Bern. There are points to be made, and there are things to be discussed.